TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #32

[Carla Lashelle]

Note that I do not believe the car port in the back to be the garage that Clint spoke of. Clint never said he looked out a window into the garage either.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM:
What is the confusion about this?

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

To believe or not to believe, that is the question.

Is it insensitive of me to desire that Grandma's property is searched?

 

[wishuwerehere]

:banghead: Dang it the story changes again

http://wreg.com/2012/04/09/one-year-since-holly-bobo-vanished-has-been-a-nightmare/

In the video (and in the accompanying text) Holly's mom says this:

identify who was with his sister.
Thinking of that day, Bobo said, “All of us took off running into the woods.” They followed the path, maybe 15 minutes after Holly was last seen.
But that chase, and the searches that followed, turned up only Holly’s lunchbag and a few other pieces of evidence, which TBI did not want to describe.Before we were lead to believe that they did NOT follow the trail and that it took a while for LE to even begin to look

The video does, for the first time, give a better glimpse at the back yard, some of the distances and angles involved, etc.

BBM – I didn’t know there was a chase into the woods either. (I thought Clint stated that he prevented his mother and others from doing just that. However, he then had stated [I’m paraphrasing here] he realized he would not be able to preserve the scene because of people trampling into the woods?) So the chase turned up some items of evidence? This is a first I’m hearing of this.

And why will LE not let us know what evidence has been found? Is it because they don’t want anyone falsely admitting to the crime? Or is it because they don’t want the perp to know what they’ve found? That doesn’t seem to be a successful strategy for LE. I would appreciate a much more aggressive investigation in this case.

Frustrating.

jmo

 

[TxLady2]

BBM – I didn’t know there was a chase into the woods either. (I thought Clint stated that he prevented his mother and others from doing just that. However, he then had stated [I’m paraphrasing here] he realized he would not be able to preserve the scene because of people trampling into the woods?) So the chase turned up some items of evidence? This is a first I’m hearing of this.

And why will LE not let us know what evidence has been found? Is it because they don’t want anyone falsely admitting to the crime? Or is it because they don’t want the perp to know what they’ve found? That doesn’t seem to be a successful strategy for LE. I would appreciate a much more aggressive investigation in this case.

Frustrating.

jmo

They always like to keep some evidence from the public, for many reasons. One is, if someone happens to mention something that only LE knows, then they want to know how this person knew it. It might indicate that the person was either involved in the crime, or knows the person who is.
Who says they aren't aggressively investigating? Just because they don't give a news conference every week to keep the public informed doesn't mean they aren't investigating. We are not entitled to information, what they do give out is always to help the case. They are not going to release information if it could hurt their case. Good things to keep in mind.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

:banghead: Dang it the story changes again

http://wreg.com/2012/04/09/one-year-since-holly-bobo-vanished-has-been-a-nightmare/

In the video (and in the accompanying text) Holly's mom says this:

identify who was with his sister.
Thinking of that day, Bobo said, “All of us took off running into the woods.” They followed the path, maybe 15 minutes after Holly was last seen.
But that chase, and the searches that followed, turned up only Holly’s lunchbag and a few other pieces of evidence, which TBI did not want to describe.

Before we were lead to believe that they did NOT follow the trail and that it took a while for LE to even begin to look

The video does, for the first time, give a better glimpse at the back yard, some of the distances and angles involved, etc.

This latest video release solves the question of where Holly's car was parked. KB points to the unattached carport on their property.
That makes it clear that Holly's car had not been parked in an attached garage or along the driveway as speculated.
How did the attached garage rumor/business come about anyway? From the beginning, I had thought the car was parked in an outdoor carport detached from the house. How did that fact get muddied?

Also we've questioned what window CB was looking out of when he claimes he saw Holly being led away by a man into the woods. KB points to the window that creates the top section of the door (back/side?) to the house. It looks like a side door that one would call their back door. "Her son, Clint, last saw the two from this back door window, too far to tell who was with his sister". (Scratching head as I wonder what CB was thinking as his sister, who is supposed to be driving to school, decides to take a detour into the woods with some guy - even if with boyfriend, for what reason? And what caused CB to look out the back door window at that exact time to begin with? Wasn't it because their dog was barking? Why not open the door and yell out, 'hey Holly, everything alright?' Scratching head again.)

What remains unclear after watching the video is what direction KB is pointing to when she indicates where, according to CB, HB was being led into the woods. As KB speaks the reporter and her are walking along and it's unclear where they are standing by the time KB points toward the woods. That and editing make it unclear in what direction KB pointed. Logic would suggest that she pointed to the wooded area to the right (when facing) of the outdoor carport but it remains unclear.
Thanks for all the help news people and editors! :banghead:

 

[Darcyline]

I thought it was specifically stated before that they DIDN'T run into the woods until hours later. So, now they all charged into the woods following Holly and the abductor right away?
I am starting to wonder if extreme pain and stress isn't started to weigh on some of these statements. Maybe in her mind they did charge into the woods right away?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Note that I do not believe the car port in the back to be the garage that Clint spoke of. Clint never said he looked out a window into the garage either.

What? Iirc you've posted about a converted area of the house that they call the garage that has a window - whatever, I became very confused reading those posts.

Now, according to KB, Clint looked out the window (that is the back door) toward the garage or what I, along with many others, would refer to as a carport - in this case the carport is detached from the house.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I thought it was specifically stated before that they DIDN'T run into the woods until hours later. So, now they all charged into the woods following Holly and the abductor right away?
I am starting to wonder if extreme pain and stress isn't started to weigh on some of these statements. Maybe in her mind they did charge into the woods right away?

KB's statement seems distorted - I could hardly make it out - editing again?. The text below the video claims she said they all ran into the woods that way - whichever way 'that way' is as you can't tell which way she is pointing.

Not to mention, KB was at work at the time - a 30 minute drive from home.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I think that the CONFUSION is what makes this case so fascinating!!! It is like the pieces of the puzzle are all there, but they keep changing shapes!

Oh, you mean like now, again?

 

[wishuwerehere]

They always like to keep some evidence from the public, for many reasons. One is, if someone happens to mention something that only LE knows, then they want to know how this person knew it. It might indicate that the person was either involved in the crime, or knows the person who is. Who says they aren't aggressively investigating? Just because they don't give a news conference every week to keep the public informed doesn't mean they aren't investigating. We are not entitled to information, what they do give out is always to help the case. They are not going to release information if it could hurt their case. Good things to keep in mind.

BBM - I can appreciate LE wanting to play their cards close to the vest.

However, I say LE is not aggressively investigating this case because first and foremost Holly has not been found. I don't expect LE to give a press conf. every week for goodness sake! But if LE wants the public's help to find Holly, I believe they should release more info about what evidence has been found. I don't expect them to release everything they have, of course not. But I do expect them to "turn up the heat" on the unknown perp by releasing more info so the public can help to find Holly, and to put the perp on notice that they're coming for him.

JMO

 

[Chili Fries]

This latest video release solves the question of where Holly's car was parked. KB points to the unattached carport on their property.
That makes it clear that Holly's car had not been parked in an attached garage or along the driveway as speculated.
How did the attached garage rumor/business come about anyway? From the beginning, I had thought the car was parked in an outdoor carport detached from the house. How did that fact get muddied?

No offense, Woe, but I'm sure you are incorrect. Karen points to the garage/carport attached to the house, that's where Holly's car was parked. Here's the still from the video. She's pointing to the attached garage/carport. You can tell by the pool location.

Here's a view to orient yourself. In the above pic Karen is pointing to the bottom right part of the house. She's standing in the unpaved driveway by where the bottom part of the pool is, pointing at the house.

 

[Chili Fries]

And here is where you can get a feel for the vantage point Clint had when he saw Holly and the abductor walk into the woods. Clint was looking out the back door and he saw the two walking into the woods where Karen and the reporter are standing.

Also, like Carla said, we don't know where Clint was when he saw the silhouettes in the garageport. Maybe there is a window from the house into the garageport, I don't know. I don't believe he could have seen out the back door into the garageport because I think there is a wall that runs along that side of the garage (and the back door opens to the back yard, not to the garage).

 

[Abba's Tears]

Thinking and praying for you Holly. Please God, bring her home.

 

[houndstooth]

This latest video release solves the question of where Holly's car was parked. KB points to the unattached carport on their property.
That makes it clear that Holly's car had not been parked in an attached garage or along the driveway as speculated.
How did the attached garage rumor/business come about anyway? From the beginning, I had thought the car was parked in an outdoor carport detached from the house. How did that fact get muddied?

Also we've questioned what window CB was looking out of when he claimes he saw Holly being led away by a man into the woods. KB points to the window that creates the top section of the door (back/side?) to the house. It looks like a side door that one would call their back door. "Her son, Clint, last saw the two from this back door window, too far to tell who was with his sister". (Scratching head as I wonder what CB was thinking as his sister, who is supposed to be driving to school, decides to take a detour into the woods with some guy - even if with boyfriend, for what reason? And what caused CB to look out the back door window at that exact time to begin with? Wasn't it because their dog was barking? Why not open the door and yell out, 'hey Holly, everything alright?' Scratching head again.)

What remains unclear after watching the video is what direction KB is pointing to when she indicates where, according to CB, HB was being led into the woods. As KB speaks the reporter and her are walking along and it's unclear where they are standing by the time KB points toward the woods. That and editing make it unclear in what direction KB pointed. Logic would suggest that she pointed to the wooded area to the right (when facing) of the outdoor carport but it remains unclear.
Thanks for all the help news people and editors! :banghead:

Mainly I guess from Clint, who when asked by JVM said it was attached.
So yes the carport where his vehicle in the recent video is parked.
Yes, if Clint had merely opened the door he looked through instead of calling around to see who was a mere less than 10 feet away was, we probably wouldn't be talking about this now.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think they are saying that those who "charged into the woods" found the items, as we know the lunchbag was not found there...just that some items were eventually found...at least that was my take on this latest installment of garbled info...

 

[wishuwerehere]

I don't think they are saying that those who "charged into the woods" found the items, as we know the lunchbag was not found there...just that some items were eventually found...at least that was my take on this latest installment of garbled info...

I totally get what you’re saying. But it’s the way the article is worded, i.e. evidence was found from the chase and the searches that followed. Maybe we all need our own personal decoder rings for this case.

jmo

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Note that I do not believe the car port in the back to be the garage that Clint spoke of. Clint never said he looked out a window into the garage either.

I'm sorry as I've never seen a screenshot of the carport that is attached to the house prior to today. Even in the shot taken from a distance, KB's head is blocking the entrance to the carport - the one I've never seen before today.

This latest video release solves the question of where Holly's car was parked. KB points to the unattached carport on their property.
That makes it clear that Holly's car had not been parked in an attached garage or along the driveway as speculated.
How did the attached garage rumor/business come about anyway? From the beginning, I had thought the car was parked in an outdoor carport detached from the house. How did that fact get muddied?

Also we've questioned what window CB was looking out of when he claimes he saw Holly being led away by a man into the woods. KB points to the window that creates the top section of the door (back/side?) to the house. It looks like a side door that one would call their back door. "Her son, Clint, last saw the two from this back door window, too far to tell who was with his sister". (Scratching head as I wonder what CB was thinking as his sister, who is supposed to be driving to school, decides to take a detour into the woods with some guy - even if with boyfriend, for what reason? And what caused CB to look out the back door window at that exact time to begin with? Wasn't it because their dog was barking? Why not open the door and yell out, 'hey Holly, everything alright?' Scratching head again.)

What remains unclear after watching the video is what direction KB is pointing to when she indicates where, according to CB, HB was being led into the woods. As KB speaks the reporter and her are walking along and it's unclear where they are standing by the time KB points toward the woods. That and editing make it unclear in what direction KB pointed. Logic would suggest that she pointed to the wooded area to the right (when facing) of the outdoor carport but it remains unclear.
Thanks for all the help news people and editors! :banghead:

We see what we think we know I guess. I've always been under the impression the cars were kept to the right rear (facing) of the house.

No offense, Woe, but I'm sure you are incorrect. Karen points to the garage/carport attached to the house, that's where Holly's car was parked. Here's the still from the video. She's pointing to the attached garage/carport. You can tell by the pool location.

Woe's response ~ No offense taken - I appreciate you clarifying for me what I could not/or was never able to see. For some reason, I never saw the carport to the side of the pool area there. I thought someone said that that area inside the house had been converted into a family room. I feel like an idiot now. All along I thought the focus was on the opposite side of the house. See how the tree blocks the entrance to the carport in the aerial below and it's impossible to make out the driveway/road leading to/from it? Combined with the other picture you posted, I see it now. Thank you.

Here's a view to orient yourself. In the above pic Karen is pointing to the bottom right part of the house. She's standing in the unpaved driveway by where the bottom part of the pool is, pointing at the house.

And here is where you can get a feel for the vantage point Clint had when he saw Holly and the abductor walk into the woods. Clint was looking out the back door and he saw the two walking into the woods where Karen and the reporter are standing.

Also, like Carla said, we don't know where Clint was when he saw the silhouettes in the garageport. Maybe there is a window from the house into the garageport, I don't know. I don't believe he could have seen out the back door into the garageport because I think there is a wall that runs along that side of the garage (and the back door opens to the back yard, not to the garage).

Thank you. Still, it's very difficult to get the lay of the land from this news video if one isn't already familiar with it - for instance, like the way they show the corner of the carport (that looks like the one detached from the house) in combination with the following shot of them standing in the yard. Again my apologies to Carla. So all along it's been the left rear side of the house and not the right side (facing) that the early morning activitity of Holly's abduction is said to have taken place? I swear we kept seeing pics of the open area to the right of the house. My bad, bad, bad!

 

[Darcyline]

It still kills me that they didn't do a very clear well-filmed reenactment. That would have cleared up so many issues.

 

[shefner]

This case has been botched since moment one. The initial reports were either very correct and later changed for some purpose, or incorrect from the start. Since that moment, everything has been a blur. If we have been given any facts, we have no way to verify them. LE hasn't even given the family the information they have, if we can believe LE. Their tactics do not impress me one bit, so sorry to say

After seeing the video, I am more convinced that Holly was taken by someone she knew...either generally "knew" or perhaps knew well. The motive: Sexual or sexual/revenge, or sexual/obsession.
The family may have their suspects....as do LE. But no Holly...and not much evidence.

Holly....you are not forgotten. Whatever has happened, your loved ones want you home.

 

[Wonless]

Just a few comments about this video, first the editing of this video is terrible.

1. If Holly's car was parked where the tan Chevy pickup truck is parked, as Karen seems to indicate...and clearly that area is blocked from view at the back door window by the north wall of the carport itself..how did Clint see the silhouettes. Either there is a door or window inside the carport, or Holly and the perp would have had to have been outside the carport in the driveway, or Clint has to be outside the house looking into the Garage. (Its still not clear how he saw the silhouettes is my point, although other parts become more clear)

2. If the scream which causes a neighbor some considerable distance away become alerted enough to call 911 comes from the carport where there the blood is found..the same area where Clint heard voices of his sister and someone else...How is it possible that he didn't hear the scream...If this video provides anything, its a perspective that distance between the house and the carport where some kind of assault on Holly must have occurred is very very close to where Clint was...to me it seems like no more than 20 to 30 feet. The scream can't have come from the carport.

So to me (IMO) the facts indicate that Holly is initially assaulted in the carport, probably caught by surprise as she rounds the corner, with the perp holding her at gun or knife point so that she doesn't call out. The he convinces her to walk with him north into the woods, it appears to me toward Swan Johnson Rd. She is injured, scared, and most likely in shock. She walks with the perp into the woods, but at some point manages to scream...which the neighbor hears, and calls 911. Clint calls mom and says Holly is walking into woods with BF which doesn't compute so she goes into mom freak out mode. Very likely the scream could have happened while Clint was on the phone with Karen, otherwise why wouldn't he hear it. Maybe even Karen was freaking out yelling, and so Clint didn't hear Holly scream.

To me Clint's story is much more clear and believable after seeing this video..although it remains unclear as to how saw the silhouettes, it seems to me we are simply missing a fact, such as the existence of the window into the carport.