TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #32

[ThoughtFox]

In terms of LE tactics, rewards themselves are a regressive tendency - in the distant past perhaps they loosened tongues, but they've long-since lost their luster. Instead, social networking, for example, has been used in other areas (the Joanna Yeates case in England, for example) with LE Facebook pages or pages on LE websites and the like encouraging information and tips from the public. Won't see that in Tennessee, evidently.

To be fair, Sheriff Box from the Karen Swift case (Dyersburg, TN) often posts an update on Facebook. Of course he doesn't give any new information, and it's usually something like "we have lots of evidence and are waiting for more so we can make an arrest." It's tantalizing instead of informative, but he does use the social network.

In fact, Holly Bobo's case is one of the few in recent memory that hasn't gone through a Facebook phase, that I recall.

 

[wfgodot]

In fact, Holly Bobo's case is one of the few in recent memory that hasn't gone through a Facebook phase, that I recall.

Thanks for the info - I should have been more Bobo-case specific in my post. I wonder why this is so regarding Holly's case. It's as if they just don't want to know. (I can't see the sheriff of Decatur County "doing Facebook," actually, but why can't TBI do something - anything - along the lines of soliciting information from the general public, involving messages sent to networking sites or email instead of, say, delivering that info in person or via telephone?)

:banghead:

 

[wfgodot]

Jackson Sun was very involved at one point even inviting people to submit their theories on what they believed may have happened to Holly. Some of us thought this was a fabulous idea and may have brought in some good leads (well, at least I did...call me naive). We never heard anything about those theories.

They did write up what I would consider a two part series. The first part was information on the investigation. The second part was the family's version of events. This part was where Clint Bobo said he tried to stop people from going into the woods to preserve evidence. (paraphrasing). Also, the family's criticism (IMO) of LE.

The articles are now archived and have to be purchased.

Sept 2011
Share information in Holly Bobo case

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jacksonsun/access/2467143571.html?FMT=ABS&date=Sep+23,+2011

Oct 2011
Holly Bobo's family questions early handling of investigation

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jacksonsun/access/2484768651.html?FMT=ABS&date=Oct+13,+2011

I remember those articles - wish I didn't have to pay for them to refresh my memory! - and they were fine, especially, as I recall, the "questioning the early investigation" one. But an investigative reporter works his or her way in to talking with others who have ties to the case and who may have insights the family doesn't. People who won't speak for attribution but who will deliver the goods off the record - sources close to the case like members of LE, for example. They attempt to ferret out stuff behind the scene - and almost everything is behind the scene here, so it's rather a rich treasure trove they'd be opening.

 

[Limaes]

In terms of LE tactics, rewards themselves are a regressive tendency - in the distant past perhaps they loosened tongues, but they've long-since lost their luster. Instead, social networking, for example, has been used in other areas (the Joanna Yeates case in England, for example) with LE Facebook pages or pages on LE websites and the like encouraging information and tips from the public. Won't see that in Tennessee, evidently.

NSW Police have a FB page and are always posting info about one thing or another. All LE should have one. Especially in cases of an Amber Alert. FB is a very quick way to get info out to a huge amount of people.

 

[Limaes]

*Realize that Holly left home between 7:30 and 7:40 that Wednesday morning. She was on the phone with a friend till 7:30 and said she was hanging up to put on her shoes and walk out the door. Her shoes were flip flops.
The scream that was heard by the neighbors occurred around this same time. Clint awoke around this time to outside voices. That was around 7:40. Clint witnesses Holly walking into the woods just before 8:00.

I remember an article where the friend said she had been texting back and forth with HB that morning because the friends signal was weak. She then rang her around 7.00am from her land line and HB said she was just putting her shoes on and then leaving. I don't remember her saying they talked for half an hour though. This friend was the last person outside of her immediate family & bf that spoke to her.

 

[Mysterylover]

The amount of money collected and raised in this case is astronomical!

Last I heard Clint was drving around delivering posters. I guess that counts for...what about $100,000?
They did a lot of fund raising.

They collected $32,000 in the first week and stated they were saving it for Holly when she gets home...and for a vacation for her.

Lots more was raised since then. We hear nothing.

They made one appearance together on JVM and that was that.

Holly deserved so much better. LE and the family have not done much to help solve this case...

Whisperer, That's a lot of $$$$....what happened to it??
It's been a year now and still no Holly.

Have you heard how all that money is being used in order to help locate Holly?

 

[houndstooth]

Just a few observations from a day 1 case follower:

*I don't recall Clint ever saying he didn't think the person in the garage was Holly. He thought it was Holly and Drew. And a turkey.

*On day 1, this case was a "Home Invasion," later becoming an abduction. Those following Holly's case early on had several long discussions about semantics. Sadly, I do not recall the universal conclusions to which we collectively arrived.


*Realize that Holly left home between 7:30 and 7:40 that Wednesday morning. She was on the phone with a friend till 7:30 and said she was hanging up to put on her shoes and walk out the door. Her shoes were flip flops.
The scream that was heard by the neighbors occurred around this same time. Clint awoke around this time to outside voices. That was around 7:40. Clint witnesses Holly walking into the woods just before 8:00.

If you do nothing else, please do this:
Take a clock, place it in front of you and watch it for 15 minutes. Tick, tick, tick....tick, tick, tick.....tick, tick, tick....
This kidnapping (abduction...which ever term you choose) took almost 20 minutes! That is a lifetime! THIS DOES NOT OCCUR. Kidnappings are very quiet and quick. They take a shorter period of time than most other crimes, including murder or bank robbery. This perp was extremely confident...and probably cocky...and almost certainly inexperienced. Did he intend to abduct or just confront? Did something go wrong?
The time that was spent to complete this kidnapping, while a relative watched, is phenomenal.
This one fact alone speaks volumes to me....
Something isn't right.

There was that brief mention of not recognizing the two people in the garage, and even saying he heard "voices".
But, then the very next thing, he DOES think he knows who they are, why they were his sister and her bf, looking at a turkey.

But, on fifth thought or sixth thought, it might have been his cousin.
yet, nothing he's come up with explains why he'd phone someone who doesn't hold the answers when he could just have opened the door and spoke to them.

Although, it seemed at one time that calling his Mom was most fortuitious.
That she indeed could tell him the answer he was sort of seeking.
That the person wasn't Drew because he was currently being detained on
her mother's property and just so happened to know this through a flurry of
phone calls.
How any of the above is pertinent to the story if it could have been a cousin...now has yet to be explained.

A version told in the expediency of the moment, is suddenly a moot point.

For DS to go poof from the story is a curious change, if nothing else,
because of how many times Karen Bobo alone mentioned him.

She mentioned he was on her mother's land hunting.
She mentioned she had just spoke to him on the phone.
She mentioned it couldn't have been him and to get a gun and go after Holly.
She mentioned he texts her every night since.
She mentioned a bear he gave Holly.
She mentioned on a tv interview to a reporter that's the moment when she knew it wasn't Drew.
Specifically by name!

Meanwhile, no Drew ever showed up for any vigils, or made any statements
whatsoever.
He just not only got repeated mentions, HIS photograph with Holly was shown over and over and either captioned or was said by a reporter to be CLINT!!

Clint for his part says,
I spoke to Holly's bf the night before about his hunting trip.
I thought it was her bf.
I called her bf on the phone, but it rang 5 times and went to voicemail.
I called her bf later at work and asked him where Holly was and he said he
didn't know what I was talking about.

You know what I see missing in the above?
Any mention about a cousin, at all.

 

[OldSteve]

Just a few observations from a day 1 case follower:

*I don't recall Clint ever saying he didn't think the person in the garage was Holly. He thought it was Holly and Drew. And a turkey.

*On day 1, this case was a "Home Invasion," later becoming an abduction. Those following Holly's case early on had several long discussions about semantics. Sadly, I do not recall the universal conclusions to which we collectively arrived.


*Realize that Holly left home between 7:30 and 7:40 that Wednesday morning. She was on the phone with a friend till 7:30 and said she was hanging up to put on her shoes and walk out the door. Her shoes were flip flops.
The scream that was heard by the neighbors occurred around this same time. Clint awoke around this time to outside voices. That was around 7:40. Clint witnesses Holly walking into the woods just before 8:00.

If you do nothing else, please do this:
Take a clock, place it in front of you and watch it for 15 minutes. Tick, tick, tick....tick, tick, tick.....tick, tick, tick....
This kidnapping (abduction...which ever term you choose) took almost 20 minutes! That is a lifetime! THIS DOES NOT OCCUR. Kidnappings are very quiet and quick. They take a shorter period of time than most other crimes, including murder or bank robbery. This perp was extremely confident...and probably cocky...and almost certainly inexperienced. Did he intend to abduct or just confront? Did something go wrong?
The time that was spent to complete this kidnapping, while a relative watched, is phenomenal.
This one fact alone speaks volumes to me....
Something isn't right.

Great point! There are some things that don't make sense in this case... way back there was a good time line posted here...
I would love to know LE's take on these things, but don't think we will find out...

 

[houndstooth]

What? (I'm deliberately not guessing 'Deliverance,' lol, although Georgia is closer to Tennessee than Washington.)

I'm sure you meant Wisconsin.
Wisconsin...I once did a survey on how many times this state,
for no apparent reason gets used as a backdrop for TV shows!

 

[houndstooth]

I remember an article where the friend said she had been texting back and forth with HB that morning because the friends signal was weak. She then rang her around 7.00am from her land line and HB said she was just putting her shoes on and then leaving. I don't remember her saying they talked for half an hour though. This friend was the last person outside of her immediate family & bf that spoke to her.

A most peculiar aspect regarding this person that she was texting, is
that HPR has on her fb that she has been an LPN since 2010 and the schools
she attended were NEITHER one, the school that when finally pinned down after much back and forth discussion, the one Holly was attending.

 

[wfgodot]

I'm sure you meant Wisconsin.
Wisconsin...I once did a survey on how many times this state,
for no apparent reason gets used as a backdrop for TV shows!

Wisconsin's sort of an "everystate" - a variety of landscapes for backdrops. 'Twin Peaks' was said to take place in Washington; 'Deliverance,' in north Georgia.

 

[Mysterylover]

Just a few observations from a day 1 case follower:

*I don't recall Clint ever saying he didn't think the person in the garage was Holly. He thought it was Holly and Drew. And a turkey.

*On day 1, this case was a "Home Invasion," later becoming an abduction. Those following Holly's case early on had several long discussions about semantics. Sadly, I do not recall the universal conclusions to which we collectively arrived.


*Realize that Holly left home between 7:30 and 7:40 that Wednesday morning. She was on the phone with a friend till 7:30 and said she was hanging up to put on her shoes and walk out the door. Her shoes were flip flops.
The scream that was heard by the neighbors occurred around this same time. Clint awoke around this time to outside voices.
That was around 7:40. Clint witnesses Holly walking into the woods just before 8:00.

If you do nothing else, please do this:
Take a clock, place it in front of you and watch it for 15 minutes. Tick, tick, tick....tick, tick, tick.....tick, tick, tick....
This kidnapping (abduction...which ever term you choose) took almost 20 minutes!
That is a lifetime! THIS DOES NOT OCCUR.

Kidnappings are very quiet and quick.
They take a shorter period of time than most other crimes, including murder or bank robbery. This perp was extremely confident...and probably cocky...and almost certainly inexperienced.

Did he intend to abduct or just confront? Did something go wrong?

The time that was spent to complete this kidnapping, while a relative watched, is phenomenal.
This one fact alone speaks volumes to me....
Something isn't right...

Shefner, This case has never added-up... Kidnappings are very quick and generally quiet.
because of the time spent arguing on the carport with Holly, this was a heated argument gone bad...imo

 

[houndstooth]

I should probably clarify after all the semi-incriminating banter proffered by the Bobos, that I do not think DS had anything to do with wherever Holly went when she left her property.

 

[houndstooth]

Wisconsin's sort of an "everystate" - a variety of landscapes for backdrops. 'Twin Peaks' was said to take place in Washington; 'Deliverance,' in north Georgia.

I think you are right and I was thinking of "Picket Fences".
HA! (Peaked Fences)

 

[Mysterylover]

I have not posted for a while. I am doing so as we marked the one year anniversary of Holly's abduction. I will not forget Holly or ever lose hope that she will come home. I feel compassion and sadness for all Holly's loved one's. This is my theory only....

I have an explanation, but it is just my theory. I have read and examined the facts of Holly's disappearance since day 1. *Only one witness saw Holly's abduction. *I have no idea who took Holly.

*What I do know is the story that has been put forth is partly fabricated.

Oh sure... there are some grains of truth but only enough to create a story that's purpose is to be vague and contradictory.
Little nuggets of information *trotted out for public consumption are for the most part released then quickly retracted.

*Of course the blame is put on the media ...some of which is deserved. But there have been 'credible' leaks (sometimes later denied)hand fed to desperate reporters who dutifully published them.

*Everything was intentionally meant to frustrate and create doubt.

I will simply conclude ...with my own theory ...that what broke the story as a home invasion ...which was latter retracted ....was the beginning of an evolving cover up.
To what misguided purpose i have no idea.

It is understandable that people are blind sided by the almost inconceivable notion that anyone in their community could harm one of their own.

Then the misinformation machine took on *life of it's own complete with a phony morphing timeline.

The pain of the *people in Darden is real. *Holly was a loved daughter,sister and friend. What is the truth?

I hope that who ever is responsible will just let Holly come home.

I think KB summed it up best when she spoke of this as a nightmare and that she will wake up and Holly will be home safe.

This is just my opinion. This is just my theory.

MizStery, Good theory! Let's hope time will tell who made this decision to deceive..

 

[houndstooth]

I wanted to say that all the posts I read on Page 25 were excellent and there is a good team on WS looking at this case.

 

[MizStery]

MizStery, Good theory! Let's hope time will tell who made this decision to deceive..

Thank-you! for the paragraph's! That particular post was archived along with many others that I write ......then store in my posting graveyard. I only post about 1% of what I write. So,I appreciate that you polished my post for clarity. Are you an editor in the real world? If not you missed your calling.:smile:

 

[Whisperer]

1. Where was Clint's car parked?
2. Why didn't any person in this case think to call Dana?

Why didn't Clint hop in his car and try to cut the guy off at the highway? He had to be going North or South on that road....and from the looks of it, I would guess North. That would be where I would go.

Clint said they walked into the woods...those wood have a logging path. Both ends of the path lead out to the HWY where the house is.

 

[Whisperer]

I haven't caught up yet, (had to duck out of SL case), so apologies if this has been answered.

Yes, oddly Don Franks pastor of the Corinth Baptist Church nee` spokesperson for the Bobo family is famous for stating that his grandson who was killed in an automobile accident 4 weeks prior to her disappearance didn't hit him near as hard as Holly going missing!

His daughter is married to the brother of the Henderson Co. Sheriff.
So the nephew of the Sheriff is the boy who was killed.
I have been quite troubled about the derth of info on his accident.
While there were at least two obits printed, there has never been a story on the accident involving a death in ANY local newspaper, in his case.
Odd huh?

Soon after Holly went missing, a pastor killed the father of the bride when he came to the church to get something. I will have to research it again. I wanted to follow the case but, once again, it is not being talked about...

I thought we would be held on manslaughter....but there is nothing in the news that I am aware of. The ex-wife of the man told the pastor she was afraid of him. Some said the husband had his hands in his pockets when the pastor struck him. I think it is one of the pastors we know by name in this case.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/15377360/father-of-bride-dies-after-fight-with-pastor

...imo, swept under the table. Strange how things in this part of the country just don't seem to make big news. I take it they like to handle these things themselves..

 

[Whisperer]

IMO, these pastor/sheriff/counselors run the town and every person in it. The people do what they are told to do..