TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #33

[Almondjoy]

Darn frightening...

But I don't understand how a neighbor could see anything. Screaming doesn't seem to work either. Screaming usually works in most parts of the country...but if you are in a forest, there has to be different rules.

In urban and suburban areas...DON'T leave with them.....EVER!

Remember, there was a front driveway that then continued on around to a gravel back driveway. If a perp left his car in the front or back driveway, he risked being seen by anyone who might happen to come to the house--a relative of Holly's, a service person like a meter reader, etc. He did not want his vehicle seen at the scene of the crime--whatever crime he showed up to do!

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Remember, there was a front driveway that then continued on around to a gravel back driveway. If a perp left his car in the front or back driveway, he risked being seen by anyone who might happen to come to the house--a relative of Holly's, a service person like a meter reader, etc. He did not want his vehicle seen at the scene of the crime--whatever crime he showed up to do!

I agree. I also think he got there before the parents left, and waited and watched for them to leave, so he would have had to have parked out behind the tree line.

 

[Almondjoy]

I am having a big problem with word interpretation. I have heard driveway from the very first day. To me a driveway is a path that leads to the front of your home.

I didn't know Karen did an interview yesterday.

A carport is a structure that holds a car/s but is not enclosed. If this were a stranger, why wouldn't he have walked through the front door, or did he? I don't recall the home being processed, but I have to assume it was. The neighbor would hear a scream from the front of the home easier then from the back of the home or carport.

We need to know where those blood drops were.

See if this helps. The house faces east. The front driveway is paved and comes straight in from the road they live in right up to what looks like a small circular drive in front of the house. On the north side of the house, a gravel driveway picks up, circles to the back of the house (on west side), passes the pool and ends at the carport on the back southwest side of the house. To my knowledge, there is no driveway on the south side of house toward the neighbor that heard the scream.

The old garage is on the north side of the house. It was enclosed to make a den. So now, the newer parking area is on the other end and the open side of it faces west. There appear to be trails or service roads back over the treeline to the west. One such road appears to run north to south on the west side of the house just beyond the treeline. This road goes south, loops around the small lake and goes out to the main road near the neighbor's property--best I can tell from aerial photos.

Most people theorize that the perp came from the woods, where he was probably in hiding, waiting for Holly to come out! The best brush to take cover in appears to be on the north side and the west side of the house. Because the house is in an L-shape, and the longest part of the house is on the south side, there is not much view into the house from there. From the weeds in the treeline on the west (back) side, you could observe all coming and going of the cars, as they were parked back there...not in front of the house.

If camo guy came through front door, it's likely Holly would have screamed in there, and neighbor would not have heard it, but Clint would have. The neighbor to south would likely have heard a loud scream from the back yard, as there is nothing to stop the flow of sound waves between their properties. The ground looks pretty flat and wide open. There are a few trees in the aerial photos between the Bobo's and the southern neighbors, but it is nowhere near as thick as the brush on the north of the Bobo's property! The brush on the west or the north would provide good cover if one was trying to hide. My guess is the perp went NW, went back to a car on the service road in back, and exited to the nearest main road. And for what it's worth, I think he had to have put her in a trunk or back of a van, because when everybody knows everybody, you can't take the risk that someone who knows Holly would see her.

JMHO

 

[Karen Anne RN]

See if this helps. The house faces east. The front driveway is paved and comes straight in from the road they live in right up to what looks like a small circular drive in front of the house. On the north side of the house, a gravel driveway picks up, circles to the back of the house (on west side), passes the pool and ends at the carport on the back southwest side of the house. To my knowledge, there is no driveway on the south side of house toward the neighbor that heard the scream.

The old garage is on the north side of the house. It was enclosed to make a den. So now, the newer parking area is on the other end and the open side of it faces west. There appear to be trails or service roads back over the treeline to the west. One such road appears to run north to south on the west side of the house just beyond the treeline. This road goes south, loops around the small lake and goes out to the main road near the neighbor's property--best I can tell from aerial photos.

Most people theorize that the perp came from the woods, where he was probably in hiding, waiting for Holly to come out! The best brush to take cover in appears to be on the north side and the west side of the house. Because the house is in an L-shape, and the longest part of the house is on the south side, there is not much view into the house from there. From the weeds in the treeline on the west (back) side, you could observe all coming and going of the cars, as they were parked back there...not in front of the house.

If camo guy came through front door, it's likely Holly would have screamed in there, and neighbor would not have heard it, but Clint would have. The neighbor to south would likely have heard a loud scream from the back yard, as there is nothing to stop the flow of sound waves between their properties. The ground looks pretty flat and wide open. There are a few trees in the aerial photos between the Bobo's and the southern neighbors, but it is nowhere near as thick as the brush on the north of the Bobo's property! The brush on the west or the north would provide good cover if one was trying to hide. My guess is the perp went NW, went back to a car on the service road in back, and exited to the nearest main road. And for what it's worth, I think he had to have put her in a trunk or back of a van, because when everybody knows everybody, you can't take the risk that someone who knows Holly would see her.

JMHO

Those aerial images ya'll posted a few pages back are excellent.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Another thing that I think would be helpful in an abduction, is if parents will teach their children sign language. Or find a class for them to take. My neice was doing fingerspelling at 3 years old.

If abducted, they can sign that they need help. I'm learning that more and more of the little ones are learning. All it would take for a little one to get help, would be to sign that she's been kidnapped, and to call police. If if can be done behind the abductor's back, it would go well, if there was someone there who knows sign language too.

 

[~n/t~]

Fox17 News July 7, 2012

Divers spent the day in the Tennessee River near Parsons, looking for evidence to help find missing Holly Bobo.

We spoke to Holly's father about her disappearance, and he told us about a few items Holly had with her when she disappeared.

Dana: "When she left out that morning, she had a pink purse with her, there was a camera in the purse, of course her car keys, she never made it to her car. There was some items like that that never has been released, and I think, personally, it's time to release them."

News lady: "Holly has been missing for 14 months."

Thanks for transcribing Karen Anne. I tried to look for the story on their site but nothing was posted there.

Is this the same Fox 17? http://www.fox17.com/newsroom/

Anyway no big deal. It would've been nice if they posted something online about the searches. Monica was in New York on Friday so I don't think CUE was involved with this particular search unless they have other teams helping out. fwiw ..nothing was posted on her FB page for the river search.https://www.facebook.com/pages/Holly-BOBO/143328765735668#!/monica.caison.3

I'm somewhat confused about them saying Holly never made it to her car. I thought her car was in the carport and Clint saw both Holly and the perp in the carport? Have I been thinking this for over a year and that's not the case? Now I'm confused again.

In looking for the Fox17 update, I came across another story. A memorial service was held for Erika Sharpton, a nursing student from Tullahoma, Tenn. 24 year old, homicide victim. No suspects. Could there be a connection to Holly Bobo's case? I'm surprised it wasn't even mentioned or was it and I missed it? http://www.newschannel5.com/story/18972716/memorial-held-for-murdered-tullahoma-nursing-student

 

[~n/t~]

Where can I post the 2 Jackson Sun links so we can easily refer to them without having to sift through pages and pages?

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/2...econstruct-time-before-Holly-Bobo-s-abduction

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/2...s-early-handling-investigation?nclick_check=1

bumping for reference purposes

 

[~n/t~]

Thanks Chili. I was trying to remember the name of the show. If anyone is interested to see the actual show it's 2 parts.

Part 1: http://www.newschannel5.com/global/...olly Bobo Disappearance Part 1&vt1=v&at1=News - Special Coverage&d1=583900&LaunchPageAdTag=News - Special Coverage&activePane=info&rnd=10721417

Part 2: http://www.newschannel5.com/global/...olly Bobo Disappearance Part 2&vt1=v&at1=News - Special Coverage&d1=712966&LaunchPageAdTag=News - Special Coverage&activePane=info&rnd=31968230

If the links above don't work, here is where they archive their shows.

Scroll down to the bottom and click on : Open Line: Holly Bobo Disappearance.


http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/category.asp?C=107466

bumping up for reference

 

[~n/t~]

I wish they would tell the public what was found or not found. Do we assume her pink purse is still missing with all her belongings, keys, camera, etc? I don't understand all the secrecy in this case. I think it's important for people to know what to look for. This is the first time in over a year that I'm finding out Holly had a pink purse with a camera in it.

I'm nowhere close to Tennessee but for goodness sake this is the type of information that is crucial. What if someone stumbled upon the purse or anything in it. People sometimes just discard the items if it's not connected to a particular case. So frustrating.

 

[Oriah]

Just for the sake of reference, and to use as an example of how things can and often do become very confused in the media:
The 'drugged/led/walked' confusion is easily explain by vernacular, IMO.


I say "Can you cut on the lights?" while someone else says "Can you turn on the lights?"
When there are multiple different sources, from multiple different locales, with multiple different exposures to unique vernaculars-confusion regarding the reporting of interpretation of a word, phrase, description etc is inevitable.


'Drugged' is not the same as 'drug-ged' or 'druug' in many places in the US. For example, I recently drugged my old carpet out to the trash, I carried my mama to the store, and I done thought twice after I went out after that storm.

Invho, media sources were and continue to be completely irresponsible in doing their due diligence in Holly's case concerning cultural variations and distinctions- and that has significantly and negatively impacted her case.

 

[~n/t~]

Another coincidence? Erika Sharpton drove a Mustang.

Around mid-morning Monday, investigators asked area police to be on the lookout for the woman’s red 1995 Ford Mustang which was missing. The car was later located by Bedford County deputies on Three Forks Bridge Road west of the Haley community.

http://www.heraldchronicle.com/?p=2600


If I google mapped properly, Tullahoma is 135 miles from Darden (2 1/2 hours drive).

 

[believe09]

Or was in excruciating pain.

Was the blood Holly's? Now maybe I am confused.

 

[believe09]

Being a Tennessean, I can identify with the choice of words used "in the heat of the moment" when one is upset. I think it's highly likely LE led with a question like, "What happened here, Clint?" and I think he responded, "He drug my sister off into the woods." "Drug" in this context means "took her." Im not sure Clint meant to imply force, since he claims he thought she was just walking normally with someone. Sometimes we all use the wrong word when we are highly emotional.

Who knows? Maybe Clint originally said "a guy in full camo led her off into the woods" and LE changed the word when they tried to describe what happened. We all know the old game of "Post Office" where you sit in a circle and start passing a phrase around the circle by whispering it once into someone's ear. By the time the phrase has been repeated multiple times, the original phrase is so distorted that it is not like the original message.

While I do have my own private theories based on the evidence, I do not think that there is anything particularly ominous in the words used to describe how Holly went into the woods. From Clint's statements, the guy was touching Holly, either holding her as one would hold a hostage, or supporting her, as one would support someone who was injured, or guiding her where he wanted her to go by holding her arm. The act itself could have been an act of aggression, an act of compassion, or an act of chivalry (helping her walk through rough brush.) Let's not forget that we don't absolutely know WHY she was taken. We don't know at that point if Holly was willingly going with someone she knew and did not fear. So characterizing it as dragging, leading, or walking her into the forest is difficult to describe for the one who did not even understand WHY she was walking away from the direction she should have been going to get to school! To be critical of the word he chose, to me, is being nit-picking, since he clearly did not see anything happening that looked ominous at the time. (Dragging Holly into the woods by her hair or by her feet would be a different matter.)

If you go back to the first two threads at this site and read the links as you come to the stories, you who know the case will be amazed at how many inaccurate facts were reported early on. Here are just a few I can think of:

1. Holly's mother AND brother saw her dragged away.
2. There was a home invasion.
3. Holly's sister and brother saw her abducted.
4. A body was found.
5. The car she was kidnapped in had been found.
6. The female neighbor heard her scream and came to check on her. (the son heard the scream, and his mother came later, after many phone calls between parties.)
7. Various specific items had been found (many of these not based in fact and never confirmed)
8. Clint found the duct tape with blond hair (actually found by searchers out by a road)

These are just a few of the rumors that came out during the first couple of days. If this much incorrect information could be put out, then why do we think that Clint's statements could not have been misquoted and twisted as they were passed along?

JMHO

Bumping-beautifully said.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Was the blood Holly's? Now maybe I am confused.

Yes it was

 

[Carla Lashelle]

This might help some people...

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1) the car port/garage where Holly's car was parked

2) roughly where Clint saw Holly and the suspect walking away heading roughly North

3) the outbuilding that has nothing to do with anything but people keep mistaking for the garage

4) the driveway to Swan Johnson road

5) roughly from where Clint had to have looked out back the second time when he saw Holly and the suspect walking. There is an open wood deck here with a solid wall that borders the carport/garage

This picture of Holly was taken at location 5 above. Her car would have been parked right behind the wooden wall

 

[~n/t~]

Thanks Carla. We assume Holly's car was in the garage and that is where the blood was found according to Clint. He said in the garage. Why is Dana now saying Holly never made it to her car?

 

[clueless]

Thanks Carla. We assume Holly's car was in the garage and that is where the blood was found according to Clint. He said in the garage. Why is Dana now saying Holly never made it to her car?

I think this is the wordage thing again. IMO, she made it to her car (as in Clint saw her near it in the garage/carport), but not into her car (as in the car door wasn't open and whatever she was carrying - such as her purse - wasn't found in the car).

 

[wfgodot]

Being a Tennessean, I can identify with the choice of words used "in the heat of the moment" when one is upset. I think it's highly likely LE led with a question like, "What happened here, Clint?" and I think he responded, "He drug my sister off into the woods." "Drug" in this context means "took her."

Yes, we've been through this many times before. And I'm sorry - I'm not prepared to accept the conjecture that Tennesseans are automatically hicks who don't realize the importance of exact language when, say, one's sister has just been removed from the property by - apparently by - someone a witness does not recognize,. someone of apparent bad intent.

The language here changed for one of two reasons and neither of them, I think, was because the word choice was colloquial.

JMO and all that. Dang. Holly girl, where the heck are you??

 

[deca]

Two questions (don't kill me I swear I know less now than I did a year ago)

1. I thought that both the male neighbor and his mom heard the screams, but now it sounds like only he heard the scream(s) then told his mom about it. Is that correct? If it is correct, how can the mom describe them at all, in particular "bloodcurdling"? If it was bloodcurdling, it is strange that the man went off to work, so I think that it wasn't bloodcurdling.

2. They found some belonging of HB by the river? Do people have cabins by the river in this area?

 

[dejavoodoo64]

-Holly and male mode of transport to the treeline of woods out back of Bobo home-

-Holly was dragged from the carport into the woods out back of the Bobo home.

-Holly was led by the male to the woods out back of the Bobo home.

-Holly and the male were casually walking toward the treeline of woods out back of the Bobo home.

-Holly and the male were walking coinciding with one another with their arms seen slightly bent(indicative of the male possibly guiding her by elbow) toward the treeline of woods out back of the Bobo home.

-Holly and the male were walking not exactly side-by-side but almost.. Holly just ever so slightly ahead of the male..both Holly and the male's arms are extended straight down with no bend whatsoever..and Holly definitely in fear for her life.
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Those are just the few descriptions in a nutshell similar to whats been differently explained/described modes of the various demeanors and body language that were displayed by the two, Holly and the male, that morning.. what makes it most intriguing and baffling is that these many, multiple, varying widely different descriptions are given by one, single individual(not multiple or many different people describing the same event) ..this multitude of differing descriptions are from ONLY ONE PERSON, THE ONLY EYE WITNESS WHO SAW the two that morning..

Is it possible he can't remember what he said each time? Maybe not intentionally, but just can't? KWIM? Or you know it could be something else.