TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #35

[reedus23]

The irony is they had 2 dogs of their own. One we saw roaming freely during an interview with Karen showing the reporter where the crime occurred. I say, irony because IMO even their own dogs may have been helpful in tracking Holly. I assume the dogs would have gone nuts if they scented her blood, wouldn't they? The little dog barked loud enough to awaken Clint and alert him that something was not right.

But alas, I guess hindsight is 20/20 and of course, we don't know all the details.

I don't know if their dogs could or not. I suppose it depends on if they were trained to do that. I have a very smart lab. He has an actual attack command and releases from who is attacking upon command and sits. However, he has never been trained to follow a scent and could not do so if asked to.

 

[reedus23]

Redus --- Good Question why Simpson's son Jason has'nt been investigated.


Det. Dear has gone on record as saying the LA PD really wants the case closed..

Amazing as that sounds. Plus, OJ's serving about 12 years for kidnapping right now.

So LAPD still has an open file despite having tried OJ? That's news to me.

 

[Xavier]

Simple answer. Sleeping.

Redus---But what about a neighbor hearing a scream 1/4 mile away?

To put it into perspective, that's roughly 4.5 football fields away or 440 yards away the neighbor heard this and was indoors?

I can't hear something that far away from my bedroom or kitchen.

Plus, why did the neighbor distract Clint from searching for Holly?

Karen's phone call was very urgent to get a gun and go search, so it was dire and serious. So what stopped Clint?

IMO Could the neighbor have been with the mystery guy, but waiting in his car and was actually very near the Bobo home, maybe waiting up the street?

 

[reedus23]

Clint received a call from Karen telling him it was not Drew and to get a gun and go after them.

It was said that when he was going, he was stopped by a neighbor showing up. IMO, nothing should have deterred him after his mother gave him those orders.

It makes no sense to me and we have never got one ounce of clarity on it.

What stopped him from going after them? Why didn't the dogs trail her? The perp only had x10 on them. WTH?

With all due respect Whisperer, we have gotten clarity on it. KB initially told CB it wasn't DS and told him to get a gun and go get them. However, CB did not know about the screams and still thought it was DS despite what KB said. From his perspective, that is not unreasonable. On his way to the woods, yes he was on his way to the woods, the neighbor arrived and told CB about the screams. That is when CB became worried for the first time. What stopped him from going into the woods at that point was the fact that LE was arriving on the scene almost simultaneously. All perfectly reasonable unless you just want to disregard or eliminate everything CB says for some reason.

 

[reedus23]

Whisperer -- Thanks for the clarification. What I don't get is why did'nt Clint and the neighbor go off searching for Holly and the mystery man?
Clint had good reason to on instructions from Karen.

So what did the neighbor do or say to persuade Clint from searching for Holly?

Did'nt the neighbor live about a 1/4 mile away? How could someone hear a scream that far away, unless it was a really loud, primal scream out of fear?


IMO the Mom knew of the perp's criminal past or bad past and reacted so vigorously when the incident happened. The Mom probably warned Holly to stay clear of the mystery man/perp.

To answer your first question, LE arrived on the scene and certainly would not have allowed CB to go into the woods after them. It's ridiculous to think LE would let CB go after them with a gun.

To answer your second question, there's nothing anywhere suggesting the neighbor said anything to stop him. As indicated, LE was on the scene as soon as CB learned of the screams from the neighbor.

A quarter mile is 1320 feet. Could be right but my recollection is it was like 300 or 500 feet. It could have been yards though, which would be right around 1/4 mile. In any case I think multiple types of screams could be heard down the street. I know I used to be able to hear my mom yell dinner time.

How can KB know of the perp's criminal past if we don't even know who the perp is?

 

[reedus23]

Redus---But what about a neighbor hearing a scream 1/4 mile away?

To put it into perspective, that's roughly 4.5 football fields away or 440 yards away the neighbor heard this and was indoors?

I can't hear something that far away from my bedroom or kitchen.

Plus, why did the neighbor distract Clint from searching for Holly?

Karen's phone call was very urgent to get a gun and go search, so it was dire and serious. So what stopped Clint?

IMO Could the neighbor have been with the mystery guy, but waiting in his car and was actually very near the Bobo home, maybe waiting up the street?

Do you have a link for this? I have never heard the neighbor distracted or otherwise kept CB from searching.

 

[reedus23]

Redus---But what about a neighbor hearing a scream 1/4 mile away?

To put it into perspective, that's roughly 4.5 football fields away or 440 yards away the neighbor heard this and was indoors?

I can't hear something that far away from my bedroom or kitchen.

Plus, why did the neighbor distract Clint from searching for Holly?

Karen's phone call was very urgent to get a gun and go search, so it was dire and serious. So what stopped Clint?

IMO Could the neighbor have been with the mystery guy, but waiting in his car and was actually very near the Bobo home, maybe waiting up the street?

Nothing stopped him. He was heading outside, towards the woods when the neighbor arrived followed almost immediately by LE

 

[reedus23]

Redus---But what about a neighbor hearing a scream 1/4 mile away?

To put it into perspective, that's roughly 4.5 football fields away or 440 yards away the neighbor heard this and was indoors?

I can't hear something that far away from my bedroom or kitchen.

Plus, why did the neighbor distract Clint from searching for Holly?

Karen's phone call was very urgent to get a gun and go search, so it was dire and serious. So what stopped Clint?

IMO Could the neighbor have been with the mystery guy, but waiting in his car and was actually very near the Bobo home, maybe waiting up the street?

I'm not sure what your question is. The neighbor lives 350 yards away and heard a scream. Not unusual in the country.

 

[Xavier]

To answer your first question, LE arrived on the scene and certainly would not have allowed CB to go into the woods after them. It's ridiculous to think LE would let CB go after them with a gun.

To answer your second question, there's nothing anywhere suggesting the neighbor said anything to stop him. As indicated, LE was on the scene as soon as CB learned of the screams from the neighbor.

A quarter mile is 1320 feet. Could be right but my recollection is it was like 300 or 500 feet. It could have been yards though, which would be right around 1/4 mile. In any case I think multiple types of screams could be heard down the street. I know I used to be able to hear my mom yell dinner time.

How can KB know of the perp's criminal past if we don't even know who the perp is?

That's what I'm thinking. How would Karen and the mom know Holly was in danger?

And why have'nt the mom and Karen told LE who this mystery guy is that she suspected to be dangerous enough to tell Clint to get a gun and get him?

Obviously, IMO both th emom and Karen know who th emystery guy is, but are not talking, at least not in pulbic record.

Coul dit be a relative that they're protecting? Or maybe Holly ran off with this guy and the family knows this , even though they're putting up a front for search teams to hunt for Holly?

The family has said some cryptic messages like "Holly please come home"....which is really strange. If I can find that link I will post it.

 

[reedus23]

Redus---But what about a neighbor hearing a scream 1/4 mile away?

To put it into perspective, that's roughly 4.5 football fields away or 440 yards away the neighbor heard this and was indoors?

I can't hear something that far away from my bedroom or kitchen.

Plus, why did the neighbor distract Clint from searching for Holly?

Karen's phone call was very urgent to get a gun and go search, so it was dire and serious. So what stopped Clint?

IMO Could the neighbor have been with the mystery guy, but waiting in his car and was actually very near the Bobo home, maybe waiting up the street?

I won't say anything is impossible, but I will say that makes no sense to me. Why would he alert his mom about a scream if that's what he was doing. The timing seems to make it near impossible. Also, I'm sure LE would have verified if he was at work at the time given.

 

[reedus23]

That's what I'm thinking. How would Karen and the mom know Holly was in danger?

And why have'nt the mom and Karen told LE who this mystery guy is that she suspected to be dangerous enough to tell Clint to get a gun and get him?

Obviously, IMO both th emom and Karen know who th emystery guy is, but are not talking, at least not in pulbic record.

Coul dit be a relative that they're protecting? Or maybe Holly ran off with this guy and the family knows this , even though they're putting up a front for search teams to hunt for Holly?

The family has said some cryptic messages like "Holly please come home"....which is really strange. If I can find that link I will post it.

Do you have a link that there even is a mystery guy they know about.

 

[reedus23]

That's what I'm thinking. How would Karen and the mom know Holly was in danger?

And why have'nt the mom and Karen told LE who this mystery guy is that she suspected to be dangerous enough to tell Clint to get a gun and get him?

Obviously, IMO both th emom and Karen know who th emystery guy is, but are not talking, at least not in pulbic record.

Coul dit be a relative that they're protecting? Or maybe Holly ran off with this guy and the family knows this , even though they're putting up a front for search teams to hunt for Holly?

The family has said some cryptic messages like "Holly please come home"....which is really strange. If I can find that link I will post it.

Scream + Stranger + Woods = Concern

 

[Xavier]

Scream + Stranger + Woods = Concern

Reedus--- That still makes no sense to me.

My girlfriend stepped on glass one time and screamed. Her brother and I were in the living room and we ran out to check this out to see what happened.

Her dad was also in the room and no one said "Go Get a Gun"?

Just because of a scream??

IMHO the real crux of this case lies in what the mom and Karen know possibly about any type of relationship they knew about the perp. Because it's clear as day they know something more than what's been divulged in the news.

 

[Xavier]

The first alarms went off in Karen's head when CB told her that Holly was outside with her bf because at that point Karen knew it couldn't be Holly's bf that was with Holly. The bf was at grandma's property. CB didn't have reason to panic because he had not yet been told that the bf was at grandma's. So yes, I think it's pretty reasonable for him to remain unassuming and for her to start panicking at that point.

Good points Reedus. Just because someone screams does not mean they're in danger.

Maybe "Go Get your Gun" is the way these country folks live and they don't take any chances.

IMO maybe the perp had recently "friended" Holly, Holly mentions some things about the perp and it does not smell right about this guy to Mom & Karen. Maybe Holly's very naive and mom, Karen know that Holly's too friendly and trusting.

IMO mom, Karen knew something about the perp that Holly mentioned to them and their alarms went off when they realized the guy was'nt Holly's boy friend.

 

[cluciano63]

I have not posted on Holly's thread for a while, as my head is bruised from banging it against the wall for going on two years. I don't have anything left to say, except that I hope she is found someday.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I haven't followed this case at all, or anyone's postings. I did read one article online covering the case, and looked at the statistics for Darden. Sometimes this fresh eyes approach can be helpful, or at least reinforces the general theory on what probably happened. Here are my first impressions:

My very first thought was that this is an especially pretty girl. All american, church going, etc. I think this is absolutely a case of obsession and possesion. I truly think there is still a chance that she is alive, being held as an object of obsession. Similar to having a beautiful bird captured in a cage. The only contrast to the theory is in that scenario, I don't see a violent abduction with duct tape and blood such as was found. I would have thought abduction by means of trickery for someone that is worshipped, or obsessed with. So that doesn't add up in my mind.
The camoflage obviously makes me think of a hunter, or a military man. Someone carrying off a mission, or hunting. The word obsession keeps coming to mind over and over. Such a pretty girl could very well be the victim of an obsessed mind.
I see there are three registered sex offenders in Darden. That seems like alot for such a small population. I assume they have been cleared and were first on the interview list.
This is a local who knew the woods, was an avid hunter. Darden is a blue collar town full of trades people. It wouldn't be unlikely for them to buying duct tape.
The fact she was "led away" vs. fighting ferociously is quite interesting. Blood *was* found, so maybe she did put up a fight until a gun was held to her side, or? Maybe she was pistol whipped and dazed?
So all this rambling isn't amounting to a hill of beans except that I do think this perp had been around her for quite a while, and is a known. He's a local who is a tradesman and who is a skilled hunter. He might be ex military; foot soldier. He might even have a hunting cabin tucked away somewhere. She is his bird in a cage. I think, while slim, there is still a remote chance this lovely girl is still alive. I pray this slim chance is right.
Prayers to Holly and her family.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I read that the brother got a gun before going outside, so this might have been why the cops wanted him in the car, and then again maybe not. Did the brother ever say if he thought Holly and the man were aware of him being in the house and awake? When they were walking and heard her phone ring, and saw who was calling, it seems like he would have known the jig was up, that the brother was up and had seen them, but no, they just ignored the phone. so weird.

Now I'm going back through some of the posts to see if any of my impressions connect with general theories. This post caught my eye.
They would have put the brother in the car because he was found walking/running around with a GUN. They didn't know whether he was defender, perp, or whoever! They secured him until they could sort out the chaos. Standard procedure.
Alot has been speculated about the "grab your gun!" request by the mother to the son. If you've ever lived out in the country, especially remote country, you know that country folk often times have a shotgun right by their front door and back porch door. They will often "grab their gun" even when they see an unusual vehicle pulling up their road.

 

[shefner]

I have not posted on Holly's thread for a while, as my head is bruised from banging it against the wall for going on two years. I don't have anything left to say, except that I hope she is found someday.

Like you, clu, I'm exhausted with it. Until they release the 911 tapes, I can't go anywhere with this case. It is truly sickening that after all this time, we are still left wondering about simple things:
1. The 911 calls
2. The "flurry" of calls between Holly, her mom, her beau
3. The items found (other than the lunch bag/tote)
4. Holly's timeline on the days leading up to her disappearance, especially the
preceding 24 hours.
5. Crime scene photos of things like the soda can by Holly's car,
the blood "pool" or "spatter" or "drips" (have we ever had a straight answer about this very basic evidence?),
and the reported flip flop that belonged to her

Certainly, after all this time, a few information releases won't hurt the case. They can always hold some things back...I understand that. But TBI does such a pi**-poor job of using the public to their advantage and its extremely frustrating to be on this end. When compared to cases in other locations, Tennessee flunks in efficiency with missing persons cases.
I have said at least 100 times: Release the 911 calls.
This will tell us exactly who made the calls, exactly when the calls were made, and exactly what was said in those important moments when Holly was being taken.

 

[Xavier]

I haven't followed this case at all, or anyone's postings. I did read one article online covering the case, and looked at the statistics for Darden. Sometimes this fresh eyes approach can be helpful, or at least reinforces the general theory on what probably happened. Here are my first impressions:

My very first thought was that this is an especially pretty girl. All american, church going, etc. I think this is absolutely a case of obsession and possesion. I truly think there is still a chance that she is alive, being held as an object of obsession. Similar to having a beautiful bird captured in a cage. The only contrast to the theory is in that scenario, I don't see a violent abduction with duct tape and blood such as was found. I would have thought abduction by means of trickery for someone that is worshipped, or obsessed with. So that doesn't add up in my mind.
The camoflage obviously makes me think of a hunter, or a military man. Someone carrying off a mission, or hunting. The word obsession keeps coming to mind over and over. Such a pretty girl could very well be the victim of an obsessed mind.
I see there are three registered sex offenders in Darden. That seems like alot for such a small population. I assume they have been cleared and were first on the interview list.
This is a local who knew the woods, was an avid hunter. Darden is a blue collar town full of trades people. It wouldn't be unlikely for them to buying duct tape.
The fact she was "led away" vs. fighting ferociously is quite interesting. Blood *was* found, so maybe she did put up a fight until a gun was held to her side, or? Maybe she was pistol whipped and dazed?
So all this rambling isn't amounting to a hill of beans except that I do think this perp had been around her for quite a while, and is a known. He's a local who is a tradesman and who is a skilled hunter. He might be ex military; foot soldier. He might even have a hunting cabin tucked away somewhere. She is his bird in a cage. I think, while slim, there is still a remote chance this lovely girl is still alive. I pray this slim chance is right.
Prayers to Holly and her family.

Great points--- I think it's possible Holly willingly went away with the perp.
I read the Holly's cousin was a "Nashville Star" singer and fairly famous. Holly's a beautiful woman, I would'nt be surprised if she's the obsession of the perp's fantasy or she's a sex slave, sold for alot of money overseas, far away, hidden in the dark, back channels being sold to wealthy slime balls.

These country folks sometimes live by their own code of rules, kind of an arrogance. It's possible Holly was sold, and everyone profited. As bad as this sounds, I hope this young woman makes it back home alive.

Holly had a career to pursue in nursing school at Darden college.

Maybe you're right, the perp had a gun, walked away with Holly into the woods.

What's so odd, if LE and the neighbor were almost immediately at the Bobo's after the call from Karen, then why in the world, did'nt they start combing the woods in their direction?

And if they did, how could the perp/Holly disappear so fast????

 

[rosesfromangels]

Xavier: I think.they disappeared so quickly because the Perp knew the woods so well and had preplaned his exit. As far as why law didn't go in the woods, I suspect they didn't want to get ambushed. They would want to secure the perimeters and set up roadblocks and work inward from there for safetys sake.