TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #35

[Whisperer]

Odd, isn't it, that there was no trail of droplets from that spot to where she taken...

Thought just crossed my mind that perhaps the cut her and then told he if she didn't go with him he would slash her face, and being beautiful, she followed him... just guessing... it bugs me that she didn't put up a fight or try to make a break for it... okay, easy for me to say that... poor, poor Holly.

It bugs me too! The fact that she was talking(?) to him for half an hour and then made the decision to take a stroll to the woods fliys in the eyes of reason.

 

[Whisperer]

The typical stranger abduction would not lend to dallying around or leaving blood. Only a person with a reason to care about her would be kneeling on the ground with the victim. A stranger would be standing up and telling her to "get up" or he would yank her up.

This is one of the reasons I believe there was a connection to her and the perp.

 

[shefner]

Goodness guys, I have quite a bit of catching up to do. I have taken a break from Holly's case for quite a while....I just needed the time. But I think of her almost everyday.

 

[shefner]

I have always felt that maybe the soda can that Holly was drinking from that morning cut her lip when she was startled by the perp in the garage. She dropped the can....and we all know how profusely the mouth bleeds.

 

[Xavier]

Odd, isn't it, that there was no trail of droplets from that spot to where she taken...

Thought just crossed my mind that perhaps the cut her and then told he if she didn't go with him he would slash her face, and being beautiful, she followed him... just guessing... it bugs me that she didn't put up a fight or try to make a break for it... okay, easy for me to say that... poor, poor Holly.

STEVE-- JMO But I'm thinking as a nursing student, Holly may have quickly wrapped the wound with some clothing, maybe preventing more blood spilling.

 

[Xavier]

No not at all. I have gotten a "puddle" from a 1/4" cut on the side of my finger. Of course "puddle" is up for definition. Aside from the word puddle it has been said that the amount of blood was small and not indicative of a major would. Lots of small injuries can bleed quite a bit. Again a nose bleed, scalp would, torn earring, etc. can bleed a good bit but not in a life threatening way. Obviously since Holly was later seen walking away from the house, seemingly uninjured, she was not gravely wounded. Also there seemingly was no blood trail out of the garage area. Remember too Clint heard voices outside in the yard first before he saw Holly in the Garage, and then he saw her again walking away. When was she actually injured? We don't know exactly. In the yard? At first in the garage and then she went into the yard and back to the garage? Before walking away?

Carla-- Thanks for bringing this up. I'm having a hard time here believing this story somewhat

Because everyone has a distinct sound to their voice, almost like a fingerprint. And you'd think Clint could distinguish the boyfriend's voice from the perp's voice that he said he heard. And this would make him realize it was'nt Holly's current boyfriend or ex boyfriends maybe

If I know someone pretty well or have been around someone for awhile , trust me , I can tell who's voice it is.

 

[Xavier]

No not at all. I have gotten a "puddle" from a 1/4" cut on the side of my finger. Of course "puddle" is up for definition. Aside from the word puddle it has been said that the amount of blood was small and not indicative of a major would. Lots of small injuries can bleed quite a bit. Again a nose bleed, scalp would, torn earring, etc. can bleed a good bit but not in a life threatening way. Obviously since Holly was later seen walking away from the house, seemingly uninjured, she was not gravely wounded. Also there seemingly was no blood trail out of the garage area. Remember too Clint heard voices outside in the yard first before he saw Holly in the Garage, and then he saw her again walking away. When was she actually injured? We don't know exactly. In the yard? At first in the garage and then she went into the yard and back to the garage? Before walking away?

Carla-- Thanks for bringing this up. I'm having a hard time here believing this story somewhat

Because everyone has a distinct sound to their voice, almost like a fingerprint. And you'd think Clint could distinguish the boyfriend's voice from the perp's voice that he said he heard. And this would make him realize it was'nt Holly's current boyfriend or ex boyfriends maybe

If I know someone pretty well or have been around someone for awhile , trust me , I can tell who's voice it is even if hear them or they're not completely visible to me

 

[Montjoy]

STEVE-- JMO But I'm thinking as a nursing student, Holly may have quickly wrapped the wound with some clothing, maybe preventing more blood spilling.

With respect, I don't think this is plausible in a seemingly rapid abduction.

Maybe OT, but I can understand how the descriptions of the blood in the carport can raise questions. Personally, if I thought that blood in my garage was from friend or kin, I would probably be blind to quantity. A droplet would be too much; it would be a puddle, perhaps a flood, no matter how small the amount. And so I don't read too much into the descriptions proffered so far.

 

[Xavier]

Since her brother 'saw' her going into the woods, it leaves out my thought that the person that hurt her could have hit/cut her and covered the wound with a article of clothing as he led her away, right?
Or if he was wearing a thick jacket...it could have absorbed the drops if he was holding her closely or tight.

Christy-- I think with Holly's nursing training she quickly wrapped the wound with clothing and prevented more blood spilling

 

[cluciano63]

Christy-- I think with Holly's nursing training she quickly wrapped the wound with clothing and prevented more blood spilling

That depends on the situation; if she was being harassed, assaulted, etc. she would not have been able to take a time-out to tend to a wound. Or perhaps it was a smaller cut, and the blood amount was not significant, we just don't know. And at this rate, we probably never will.

 

[Xavier]

With respect, I don't think this is plausible in a seemingly rapid abduction.

Maybe OT, but I can understand how the descriptions of the blood in the carport can raise questions. Personally, if I thought that blood in my garage was from friend or kin, I would probably be blind to quantity. A droplet would be too much; it would be a puddle, perhaps a flood, no matter how small the amount. And so I don't read too much into the descriptions proffered so far.

MontJoy-- Well, Posters here have said Holly & the perp were talking for what 20-30 minutes?

To me, because of this there's nothing to suggest this was a fast abduction at all.

IMO because of this lengthy "talk" or whatever, Holly knew the perp somehow, either recently met or knew for a long time

 

[Xavier]

That depends on the situation; if she was being harassed, assaulted, etc. she would not have been able to take a time-out to tend to a wound. Or perhaps it was a smaller cut, and the blood amount was not significant, we just don't know. And at this rate, we probably never will.

I agree. It's beyond frustrating. 2 years have gone by.

I don't think LE really wants to find the perp, it's beyond their scope of expertise. I get the impression LE wants this case of Holly Bobo to wash away like sand in the ocean

And add to it the extremely confusing information, lack of interest to involve the public, not disclosing the 911 calls, not making public evidence findings or clues, like DNA matches for the bloody puddle, finding her lunchbox near a creek stream that was what 7 miles from the Bobo home.

To my know how, I've never seen a rough sketch of the perp from the only eye witness. Does the boyfriend have the same build/physique as the perp 5'11, 200lbs? What did the perp's voice sound like? Was it a familiar voice or an unknown voice? Were there fingerprints on Holly's car, on the walls of the carport. Did LE find hair/DNA samples, or chewing gum spit out, or any fingerprints on the lunchbox? Were there shoe prints in the carport?

Has anyone heard if LE ever did search the creek beds or that surrounding area?

 

[reedus23]

It bugs me too! The fact that she was talking(?) to him for half an hour and then made the decision to take a stroll to the woods fliys in the eyes of reason.

I seriously doubt she was just standing around having a chat for 30 minutes. I also doubt there is that much time in the time line. Also, I really doubt she "decided to take a stroll" into the woods. Anywhere she went, I feel it's safe to say it was anything but voluntary.

 

[goldiegirl]

Has anyone heard if LE ever did search the creek beds or that surrounding area?

Respectfully snipped.

Yes. Southeast K9 SAR has searched the area many times and has been working on clearing all surrounding areas ever since the beginning. They, of course, report to LE.

 

[~n/t~]

7:35 is when Karen spoke to Holly for the last time. 7:40 is when the neighbour heard the scream. 7:50 is when Clint was awakened by the barking dog.

After 7:50 is when things start to get fuzzy with the timeline.

He sees Holly and perp kneeling in carport, hears Holly and perp in carport, calls mom or mom calls him, sees Holly and perp walk into woods, sees blood in the carport, loads gun, neighbour shows up, calls 911, mom and cops show up.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I seriously doubt she was just standing around having a chat for 30 minutes. I also doubt there is that much time in the time line. Also, I really doubt she "decided to take a stroll" into the woods. Anywhere she went, I feel it's safe to say it was anything but voluntary.

Well Clint said he awoke to hearing stranger voices outside. Then he heard voices in the garage and saw Holly and the stranger kneeling down there. Then he saw Holly again; walking across the yard with the stranger. All of this took place over a 20 to 30 minute time period. While I assume Holly was being led away, Clint did say specifically there was no dragging, forcing, leading that she was just walking casually.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

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Carla-- Thanks for bringing this up. I'm having a hard time here believing this story somewhat

Because everyone has a distinct sound to their voice, almost like a fingerprint. And you'd think Clint could distinguish the boyfriend's voice from the perp's voice that he said he heard. And this would make him realize it was'nt Holly's current boyfriend or ex boyfriends maybe

If I know someone pretty well or have been around someone for awhile , trust me , I can tell who's voice it is even if hear them or they're not completely visible to me

He did say in the JVM interview he heard a stranger's voice outside. So, at least initially, he did not seem to know who it was or think it was Drew.

 

[OldSteve]

He did say in the JVM interview he heard a stranger's voice outside. So, at least initially, he did not seem to know who it was or think it was Drew.

Interesting that he mentioned "a stranger's voice" instead of "I thought I heard Drew's voice" ....

Also, 20-30 minutes that Holly was near the house is very strange... don't know what to make of that.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

In a couple statements Clint said he heard strange voices and assumed maybe it was a utility worker or something. So at least at first he did not think it was Drew or anyone else familiar. Oddly he did not mention hearing his sister's voice. And the voices were initially coming from the yard or property. I can only assume the suspect felt Holly may be alone so he was not in a hurry to leave with her. She could have been somewhat stunned or disoriented, too, if the suspect struck her or something like that. at any rate, the two of them were in and around the garage and back yard for some time from about 7:30 to 8. That is just too long to make a lot of sense unless the suspect was comfortable in thinking Holly was alone at the time.

I wonder what would have happened if Clint did not wake up (or was not home, or whatever) that morning. Would the suspect have left with Holly before the police arrived? Did Clint somehow spook him, forcing him to change his plans and take Holly away before 8? Would the cops have rolled up on the house while they were still in the yard or garage?

 

[MizStery]

Why did he assume Drew? Out of hundreds who may have been hunting that day, why do you think he assumed it was Drew? And if he did assume it was Drew even after his mom told him it wasn't, why didn't he go out and yell out his name? They were buddies.

He did say in the JVM interview he heard a stranger's voice outside. So, at least initially, he did not seem to know who it was or think it was Drew.

Interesting that he mentioned "a stranger's voice" instead of "I thought I heard Drew's voice" ....

Also, 20-30 minutes that Holly was near the house is very strange... don't know what to make of that.

Questions that make my head hurt. :headache:

Thanks to ~N/T~,Cala Lashelle & OldSteve for the heartfelt effort going on almost two years attempting to cobble togeather the terrible events preceding Holly's disappearance.MOO