TN TN - Karen Swift, 44, Dyersburg, 30 Oct 2011 - #3

[officer'swife 2010]

I just can't imagine what her poor family is going through, and you're probably right DS probably still has full say so over her body, i would think even though they just had filed for divorce. I just don't understand why this happened to her very very sad situation, it was probably a rage of jealously...agreed?

 

[cocomod]

I just can't imagine what her poor family is going through, and you're probably right DS probably still has full say so over her body, i would think even though they just had filed for divorce. I just don't understand why this happened to her very very sad situation, it was probably a rage of jealously...agreed?

It makes sense that he went in to a rage of some sort. It probably didn't sit well with him that she was moving on in her life. She wasn't "tied" to him like the last time she left him. She didn't depend him for everything like the last time. She had become independent; and she wasn't scared. She was actually excited about her new life and taking care of her girls. She was also successful in her business from everything I have read. :sigh:

 

[stillwatersc]

Maybe a rage :furious: or maybe.....cold, calculated, premeditated....

 

[OldSteve]

It makes sense that he went in to a rage of some sort. It probably didn't sit well with him that she was moving on in her life. She wasn't "tied" to him like the last time she left him. She didn't depend him for everything like the last time. She had become independent; and she wasn't scared. She was actually excited about her new life and taking care of her girls. She was also successful in her business from everything I have read. :sigh:

If a rage then perhaps manslaughter, if premeditated then first degree. Wonder what evidence LE has..
Plea deal in the works?

 

[cocomod]

If a rage then perhaps manslaughter, if premeditated then first degree. Wonder what evidence LE has..
Plea deal in the works?

I really wonder if there is a plea deal in the works; or possibly even a confession of sorts. I wonder if they are trying to verify the confession facts with her autopsy.

I agree with the manslaughter vs first degree charges.

 

[Joe Friday]

At the rate you are all going he will have been sentenced and served his time before he is even arrested or charged. Who ever heard of a plea deal before they were charged?

DNA results take time. Grand Jury's take time too.

JMO

 

[Fishee]

At the rate you are all going he will have been sentenced and served his time before he is even arrested or charged. Who ever heard of a plea deal before they were charged?

DNA results take time. Grand Jury's take time too.

JMO

This ^^^^^^^ :goodpost:

Lack of info makes a sleuther creative...

 

[cocomod]

:bump:

Bumpity, Bump for Karen, her children, and her mother.

I am hoping that before her birthday on January 25, there will be justice against the person that took Karen from her family. I am hoping that LE has enough to get a conviction; and I am hoping that this additional time has been used to get all their i's dotted and their t's crossed. I sincerely hope that this means that they do have a lot of information to process; and that this information will lead to an arrest.

 

[Indy Anna]

At the rate you are all going he will have been sentenced and served his time before he is even arrested or charged. Who ever heard of a plea deal before they were charged?

DNA results take time. Grand Jury's take time too.

JMO

:thumb:

The only thing we can be fairly certain of is that this wasn't a random killing. Karen's body was well hidden, but her car was left in a very obvious location. Someone wanted it to appear that Karen had been abducted and was probably hoping that the search would proceed outside of Dyersberg. Therefore, I believe the killer is a local. Yet, there are several POI's, IMO - not just DS, but also a neighbor with a grudge and at least one local SO (there could even be non-registered SO's in the community).

If the autopsy reveals that Karen wasn't sexually assaulted, I think it would be safe to rule out a SO. Aside from the location of the vehicle and the body, we don't have many details about the investigation. I'm sure SOMEONE in Dyersburg is even more anxious to know what evidence LE has than we are.

 

[officer'swife 2010]

I find it very weird how that the media was talking about how she had a disagreement with the neighbor, Hogshooter right before she went missing, over the dogs. She didn't speak to him though but he did go to jail for a little while, hm...idk just thinking out loud here, but maybe whoever did it wanted to make it look like it was the neighbor? or maybe the neighbor did do it, but i just can't get my mind to go that way, I'm really think it was the husband, because you're right, she was moving on, hanging out with friends, just had gone on vacation with her daughters when the papers were served. She also had told friends if anything ever happened to her, to look at DS! And yes I hope Jan 25th they will make an arrest for Karen!!


Praying for justice for the Swift/Johnson family!!!!

 

[cluciano63]

At the rate you are all going he will have been sentenced and served his time before he is even arrested or charged. Who ever heard of a plea deal before they were charged?

DNA results take time. Grand Jury's take time too.

JMO

I'm not "convicting" her husband...I just don't buy the convenient serial killer lurking about a small town in the middle of the night, hoping for a pretty blond victim to leave her home for some unknown reason.

 

[OldSteve]

:thumb:

The only thing we can be fairly certain of is that this wasn't a random killing. Karen's body was well hidden, but her car was left in a very obvious location. Someone wanted it to appear that Karen had been abducted and was probably hoping that the search would proceed outside of Dyersberg. Therefore, I believe the killer is a local. Yet, there are several POI's, IMO - not just DS, but also a neighbor with a grudge and at least one local SO (there could even be non-registered SO's in the community).

If the autopsy reveals that Karen wasn't sexually assaulted, I think it would be safe to rule out a SO. Aside from the location of the vehicle and the body, we don't have many details about the investigation. I'm sure SOMEONE in Dyersburg is even more anxious to know what evidence LE has than we are.

For me, the big thing is if LE can prove KS never went back out after she dropped her daughter off. From all I've read about what happened, it doesn't make sense to me that she went back out.

 

[officer'swife 2010]

What are the chances right of the serial killer? I just don't see the serial killer happening. The sheriff did say her case isn't connected to the other cases of missing women so that def rules out the serial killer plus not too sure a serial killer would stay around town long enough to go back and place the body in a certain place. It's def some ody she was close 2! I mean she was in for the night, the child was moved into her sisters bed by who we don't know the child says Karen moved her but maybe it was DS and he's just telling the girl Karen did it. Something had her upset at the party she was at. I think it points to the husband just not going 2 flat out say he did so we will just wait and see what evidence they have. I wanna know what was found in the car?!

 

[panthera]

I'm not "convicting" her husband...I just don't buy the convenient serial killer lurking about a small town in the middle of the night, hoping for a pretty blond victim to leave her home for some unknown reason.

For that reason alone, it brings me right back to her husband. If this were at all "random", wouldn't there be similar attempted abductions or murders in the area? In addition, nothing has come out regarding her voluntarily leaving her home at that early hour. If anything, friends have disproved the notion she was heading out to jog, work out or go anywhere.



MOO

 

[FightTheOstrich]

For that reason alone, it brings me right back to her husband. If this were at all "random", wouldn't there be similar attempted abductions or murders in the area? In addition, nothing has come out regarding her voluntarily leaving her home at that early hour. If anything, friends have disproved the notion she was heading out to jog, work out or go anywhere.



MOO

Agreed, motive, means and opportunity + known evidence and facts only lead to one individual. Unless of course a random serial killer, was somehow privy to her relationship with her husband, and wasted precious time in the early hours of the morning to murder Karen and set him up. There were only a few hours between the time she arrived home with her daughter and the neighbor spotted her car on the side of the road. I suppose anything is possible but if it wasn't DS then someone got really lucky.

IMO

 

[TxLady2]

Who says it has to be a serial killer?? Could be some guy who she rejected, and he lost his temper the one time and lured her out of the house somehow. Not every murderer turns into a serial killer. Some of them only do it one time. Of course it COULD be the hubby, but the facts that you all have pointed out do not exclude other people.

The one fact that keeps bothering all of us is, her leaving the house in the wee hours of the morning. BUT... stranger things have happened. Several years ago there was a young woman in my area that was abducted from a Wal Mart parking lot when she was getting off work, (her car was found in the lot the next day) and the guy assaulted and killed her, then left her body off the side of the highway, I think in OK, if I'm not mistaken.

IDK... I just hate to be stuck on one suspect, just because... it's almost too easy. Think outside the box... that's my motto.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

Who says it has to be a serial killer?? Could be some guy who she rejected, and he lost his temper the one time and lured her out of the house somehow. Not every murderer turns into a serial killer. Some of them only do it one time. Of course it COULD be the hubby, but the facts that you all have pointed out do not exclude other people.

The one fact that keeps bothering all of us is, her leaving the house in the wee hours of the morning. BUT... stranger things have happened. Several years ago there was a young woman in my area that was abducted from a Wal Mart parking lot when she was getting off work, (her car was found in the lot the next day) and the guy assaulted and killed her, then left her body off the side of the highway, I think in OK, if I'm not mistaken.

IDK... I just hate to be stuck on one suspect, just because... it's almost too easy. Think outside the box... that's my motto.

All good points. But based on the facts we do know. Who had the greatest motive? Who had access to Karen, her clothes, her car, etc... Besides the daughters he claims to be the last to see her. Not saying he did it but if you're a rational person it's hard to ignore all of this. The silence on the part of her friends and family, indeed the husband himself is telling. Of course there are other potential suspects but when a woman is murdered shortly after filing for divorce and the last person that we know of who saw her is the husband and their minor children, it is only logical to assume that he may have been involved.
IMO

 

[Indy Anna]

Respectfully, considering other possibilities than DS does not mean anyone's ignoring the facts :ignore:, nor that we're irrational :crazy:. While people have given good reasons for suspecting DS, we do not know what evidence LE has amassed in the case, nor where that evidence leads. LE may be leaning in a certain direction, but they're not even ready to announce a suspect until they have results back from the lab.

No matter what theory I or anyone else might come up with, our speculations will not affect what really happened to Karen Swift. :dunno:

 

[cocomod]

It is hard to think outside of the box when there is so very other information provided. We have only limited information, and the only information leads to STBX or neighbor. Neighbor was supposedly cleared. That leaves husband. We would sleuth a boyfriend if there was any suggestion that she had one. Friends indicate that there are no other relationships with men in her recent history. Could there be a spurned wannabe guy? Possible, but who, where? We just don't havw enough info to look in that direction. And,DS admitted that he is scared.

 

[Indy Anna]

It is hard to think outside of the box when there is so very other information provided. We have only limited information, and the only information leads to STBX or neighbor. Neighbor was supposedly cleared. That leaves husband. We would sleuth a boyfriend if there was any suggestion that she had one. Friends indicate that there are no other relationships with men in her recent history. Could there be a spurned wannabe guy? Possible, but who, where? We just don't havw enough info to look in that direction. And,DS admitted that he is scared.

Actually, LE never cleared the neighbor. A while back, I twice posted a couple of articles in which LE made the exact same statements about the neighbor as they did about DS. Essentially, LE said that neither is a suspect, but never said either one has been cleared. Declaring that someone is not a suspect does not mean that he/she has been cleared (otherwise, we would have to assume DS has been cleared, too). That status can change at any time.