TN TN - Nashville, Sulphur Creek Rd, Blk/Hisp Fem 20-40, UP52531, Vandy clothes, Sep'18

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BindingBloodline said:
I sent an email to the Nashville police department asking them if they could give us further details and offered my Italian ancestry skills as I am a 3rd generation italian immigrant (checked my tree - no mangarelli). The podcast made it VERY clear that this is simply a profile and that Nashville has not yet started actual genealogical research. I'll update as I hear back.
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Curious, have you tested your dna and uploaded it to GedMatch?

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Virgo1372 said:
Curious, have you tested your dna and uploaded it to GedMatch?
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I have not - I have not tested, this is my mothers genetics - but I do not mind donating at all. I do not think it would help this case as my ancestry comes from Southern Italy to Vandys North, and while they both migrated to America around the same time, one came in through Louisiana and one through New York. We are Sicilian :)

I spoke to the person who is working on this case at Othram. I am not sure if they gave me "folly" answers (trick answers medical personnel will give out in case of leaks) but I was able to talk directly to the genealogist over at Othram Inc through Metro Nashville Police Department. I was told that the spokesperson for MNPD, the gentleman who appeared on the Fall Line podcast, had "little" genetics training, and incorrectly stated some DNA claims. One claim the genealogist cleared up is that Moore and Butler are merely surnames related, and not what they are looking for. I was told little of her African genealogy has been able to be traced. I am not sure that they directly said the Moores, Butlers ect were white, but it was implied. Hope this helps.
 
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BindingBloodline said:
I have not - I have not tested, this is my mothers genetics - but I do not mind donating at all. I do not think it would help this case as my ancestry comes from Southern Italy to Vandys North, and while they both migrated to America around the same time, one came in through Louisiana and one through New York. We are Sicilian :)

I spoke to the person who is working on this case at Othram. I am not sure if they gave me "folly" answers (trick answers medical personnel will give out in case of leaks) but I was able to talk directly to the genealogist over at Othram Inc through Metro Nashville Police Department. I was told that the spokesperson for MNPD, the gentleman who appeared on the Fall Line podcast, had "little" genetics training, and incorrectly stated some DNA claims. One claim the genealogist cleared up is that Moore and Butler are merely surnames related, and not what they are looking for. I was told little of her African genealogy has been able to be traced. I am not sure that they directly said the Moores, Butlers ect were white, but it was implied. Hope this helps
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Very new to this just want to say that up front. This is the first post I've ever made. Coming from someone who graduated college in the south around the time she was found, this is not an outfit that a girl in the south wears to a football game. Going to games in the south are events that you dress up for, not something you wear leggings and a zip up to. The clothing strikes me as something you would buy when you have no other options, like your luggage got lost on a flight or something was spilled and ruined what you were wearing. To me it seems like she went into most likely the bookstore and bought whatever she could quickly and that just happened to be all Vandy branded stuff. Just a thought.
 
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kayfeearrow said:
Very new to this just want to say that up front. This is the first post I've ever made. Coming from someone who graduated college in the south around the time she was found, this is not an outfit that a girl in the south wears to a football game. Going to games in the south are events that you dress up for, not something you wear leggings and a zip up to. The clothing strikes me as something you would buy when you have no other options, like your luggage got lost on a flight or something was spilled and ruined what you were wearing. To me it seems like she went into most likely the bookstore and bought whatever she could quickly and that just happened to be all Vandy branded stuff. Just a thought.
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I went to college in the south and was in college in 2018. And while yes, sorority girls or others super into social media would definitely dress, up there were plenty of other girls who would show up in casual clothing to just drink and hang out with friends. In fact, I believe I once wore leggings and a school T-shirt to a football game myself.

Though in this case, I really don't think she was coming from a football game anyway.
 
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5 Missing Person Exclusions
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I would personally be very surprised if she turns out to be a Vanderbilt student. It's a very prestigious and not particularly large university, so I feel like someone (roommate, professor, advisor) would have noticed if she suddenly dropped off the map and there would be a missing persons report on file. Even if she vanished over the summer, I would assume the school would have noticed that she failed to return for the fall semester. Vanderbilt has a 96% retention rate (!) so a student failing to return without notifying the school would be out of the ordinary.

JMO I find myself thinking that the Vandy clothes might be a red herring and that whoever killed her might have dressed her up in the clothing to throw investigators off. Either that, or the aforementioned theory that she bought the clothes to pretend to be a student to sneak into the Beyoncé concert. The clothing would have been expensive, but when I saw Beyoncé last summer the tickets cost me an arm and a leg, so I assume it still would have been cheaper than buying tickets.
 
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Also, haven't seen it mentioned here yet, but per the Fall Line podcast, JD had cocaine and morphine in her bloodstream. COD hasn't been released as far as I can tell, so I wonder if she could've accidentally overdosed and whoever was with her panicked and dumped the body, or if she was at a (perhaps Vanderbilt-associated) party prior to her death and maybe met a malevolent character?
 
  • #132
Her NamUs was updated today with several more exclusions.
 
  • #133
lightofmine99 said:
Her NamUs was updated today with several more exclusions.
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Do you mind providing the exclusions, please?

I'm not sure if it's because I'm on my mobile but I cannot access the exclusions tab and it's driving me batty!
 
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Here ya go, current exclusions.
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Just a bump.
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Wowww!!! Hopefully her identification is very soon with this information!!!
 
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I assume she's descended from this guy:
de.findagrave.com

Carlo Gabrielle “Charlie” Mengarelli (1904-1991) -...

Carlo Mengarelli Retired Farmer SHELBY - Carlo Gabrielle Charlie Mengarelli, 87, a retired farmer, died of heart failure Tuesday at Bolivar County Hospital in Cleveland. Services are 10 a.m. Friday at St. Mary's Catholic Church with burial in the Shelby Cemetery. Fletcher-Nowell Funeral Home...
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edit 2: or one of his siblings
 
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bluerabbit201 said:
Her age was changed to 20-40 from 15-25
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wow thanks, totally missed that! maybe a new recon is in order then? since the recon is made to emulate a late teen imo.
 
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