TN - Shooting at private Christian Covenant School, Nashville, suspect dead, multiple victims, 27 Mar 2023 #2

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I guess I just don't understand how feeling wronged (or unhappy or bullied or whatever) jumps to idolizing school shooters and then jumps to actually doing it. What does doing this DO for the person? Make them feel powerful?! Make them the star in their own action movie? I truly don't understand at all.

I know there isn't a clear answer, and it certainly isn't a simple one. But for some reason people in the US seem to make this jump where people in other countries do not. ???????
NIHILISM as a worldview

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"The vast majority of these subcultures and online communities are by their very nature benign and nonviolent, however, the inherently antisocial and nihilistic subsect has grown significantly, likely encouraged by the political turmoil, social upheaval, and general apocalypticism of the past two years. Within the ideologically nihilistic online space, disconnection and broad discontent with society is central to the worldview, and active rebellion against society in one form or another is often encouraged."
 
  • #442
I think it's because in the US there is easy access to guns, when in many other countries there is not.
Agreed, but I still don't get the compulsion to kill multiple people in response to whatever stress they have. Is it just access to weapons?
 
  • #443
Agreed, but I still don't get the compulsion to kill multiple people in response to whatever stress they have. Is it just access to weapons?
I don't either but we are not the ones shooting people.

It's not just access to weapons, but it surely increases the chances if you are that way inclined I think.
 
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Below is a link to the redacted search warrant return for items LE found at shooters' home, including the following:

"... they seized a cache of electronics there, including six laptops, seven cellphones, a tablet and 11 computer drives. They also found 20 journals throughout the basement, 14 videos and a Tennessee man's driver's license in a bookcase along with photographs of the Covenant School, where the killer was once a student, and five yearbooks from there."


Edited to add: She kept a lot of these items in her bedroom, many under the bed, and also kept items listed in the basement of her parents' home.
She sure did have a lot of tech! "six laptops, seven cellphones, a tablet and 11 computer drives"
I hope one day we have some sort of access to her history on these devices. I mean, mines a mess but I would find it interesting. MOO
 
  • #445
She sure did have a lot of tech! "six laptops, seven cellphones, a tablet and 11 computer drives"
I hope one day we have some sort of access to her history on these devices. I mean, mines a mess but I would find it interesting. MOO
I'm still stunned about a man's drivers license.
 
  • #446
She sure did have a lot of tech! "six laptops, seven cellphones, a tablet and 11 computer drives"
I hope one day we have some sort of access to her history on these devices. I mean, mines a mess but I would find it interesting. MOO
I think some of the electronics belonged to other family members who shared the home.
 
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Why? Didn't her father and brother also live in that home at some point?
Yes.

Was the license taken in as evidence? Strange if it belonged to another resident of the home. Imho
 
  • #449
The affadavit indicates that psych/medical files were taken. 2 folders. Additionally, they took something that was totally redacted (line 23).

Imho
 
  • #450
The affadavit indicates that psych/medical files were taken. 2 folders. Additionally, they took something that was totally redacted (line 23).

Imho
I missed the posting of the affidavit. Could you share a link or direct me to that post?
Thanks!
 
  • #451
I'm a Christian. I don't see it that way.

MOO>

Me neither. And neither does anyone in my mostly Christian family (including some pretty outspoken people). I would need to know way more about the situation before I went to "hate crime."

Interestingly the FBI eventually called Elliot Rodger's shootings in Santa Barbara "misogynist terrorism" (even though he also stabbed three men in the opening salvo). Whereas, David Attias's mass murder of 5 in Santa Barbara in 2001 (consisting of both men and women, just like Rodger's was) resulted in a guilty but insane verdict to second degree murder.

Both men had prior mental health records (with Attias's arguably being worse), but I think it was Rodger's writings that got him into the terrorist category.

Would we call a misogynistic terrorist act a "hate crime" today? I don't know the law of hate crimes all that well.

I think we really do need the FBI to analyze the documents left behind to decide or know this. Until then, it's a highly unusual and terrifying mass murder.

IMO.
 
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Why? Didn't her father and brother also live in that home at some point?
Because other than the vague bookcase references it appears others were found in her desk, under her bed and in plastic drawers and boxes?
 
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Me neither. And neither does anyone in my mostly Christian family (including some pretty outspoken people). I would need to know way more about the situation before I went to "hate crime."

Interestingly the FBI eventually called Elliot Rodger's shootings in Santa Barbara "misogynist terrorism" (even though he also stabbed three men in the opening salvo). Whereas, David Attias's mass murder of 5 in Santa Barbara in 2001 (consisting of both men and women, just like Rodger's was) resulted in a guilty but insane verdict to second degree murder.

Both men had prior mental health records (with Attias's arguably being worse), but I think it was Rodger's writings that got him into the terrorist category.

Would we call a misogynistic terrorist act a "hate crime" today? I don't know the law of hate crimes all that well.

I think we really do need the FBI to analyze the documents left behind to decide or know this. Until then, it's a highly unusual and terrifying mass murder.

IMO.
I agree the FBI needs to analyze all the documents. <modsnip: off topic>

I think the school in this mass murder was targeted because of it's small size and her ability to rapidly enter.

JMO
 
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Below is a link to the redacted search warrant return for items LE found at shooters' home, including the following:

"... they seized a cache of electronics there, including six laptops, seven cellphones, a tablet and 11 computer drives. They also found 20 journals throughout the basement, 14 videos and a Tennessee man's driver's license in a bookcase along with photographs of the Covenant School, where the killer was once a student, and five yearbooks from there."


Edited to add: She kept a lot of these items in her bedroom, many under the bed, and also kept items listed in the basement of her parents' home.
Bumping for Wings. Affidavit pdf link.
 
  • #456
Yes.

Was the license taken in as evidence? Strange if it belonged to another resident of the home. Imho
Was she going to try to pass as her brother? Or leave her brother's ID at the scene like Adam Lanza did?


ETA: If it was her brother's ID IMO
 
  • #457
Me neither. And neither does anyone in my mostly Christian family (including some pretty outspoken people). I would need to know way more about the situation before I went to "hate crime."

Interestingly the FBI eventually called Elliot Rodger's shootings in Santa Barbara "misogynist terrorism" (even though he also stabbed three men in the opening salvo). Whereas, David Attias's mass murder of 5 in Santa Barbara in 2001 (consisting of both men and women, just like Rodger's was) resulted in a guilty but insane verdict to second degree murder.

Both men had prior mental health records (with Attias's arguably being worse), but I think it was Rodger's writings that got him into the terrorist category.

Would we call a misogynistic terrorist act a "hate crime" today? I don't know the law of hate crimes all that well.

I think we really do need the FBI to analyze the documents left behind to decide or know this. Until then, it's a highly unusual and terrifying mass murder.

IMO.
Hoping they'll be forthcoming. Holy heck...the WSJ had to sue them for info on the Vegas shooter and that information was just released this week. Per FBI, the mass shooting was a mystery. Per the documents released this week..it doesn't appear to be overly mysterious.

Yeah. I question everything. It's my nature, be it good or bad. Imho
 
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Was she going to try to pass as her brother? Or leave her brother's ID at the scene like Adam Lanza did?


ETA: If it was her brother's ID IMO
Could be. Or...it wasn't a family member's Id? IMHO
 
  • #459
Bumping for Wings. Affidavit pdf link.
The "affadavit"referenced in the article is "Inventory of Seized property" and part of the Audrey Hale Warrant redacted. It has 47 entries.

Written for each entry under" location where found" there were distinct areas called out. Basement was spelled out. LR I am assuming Living Room? Then there is B1, B2, B3 - fair to assume Bedroom 1, Bedroom 2, Bedroom 3?

Since the suicide note and passwords were found in B2 on the desk and the bulk of the journals were found in B2 under the bed, fair to say that may have been the killer's primary bedroom? Also in the closet was a gun.

The five yearbooks from the Covenant School as well as a Covenant School Picture were found in B1. Safe to assume that the 5 yearbooks were different years? Or do we think it was 5 copies of the same yearbook for the only year Audrey attended? Did anyone else in the house attend or perhaps work at the Covenant School who would have interest in a yearbook? In B1 were also 3 home videos (11 more Home videos found in the basement under the stairs). Also under the bed in B1 was a MAC with stickers.

In B3 there was a MAC with stickers/Windows Microsoft laptop/MAC laptop no stickers/Samsung tablet. Also in B3 there was a psych folder/medical folder(2) and a gun next to the desk.

As far as the electronics go, I know in my house for just me, I have two active laptops, an ipad and an active iphone. I also have quite a few old iphones and prob 4 old laptops. They were never wiped clean and I just have them in a box collecting dust. So the number of electronics seized does not appear at all unusual for the household to me.

This list is by no means all inclusive/exhaustive. I am just musing about the seized items I find interesting on my first glance at the list.
 
  • #460
<modsnip: quoted post was removed> I remember reading that the Covenant School had one or more armed teachers or staff, although not security officers.
 
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