To all who believe Caylee is ALIVE, explain this?

[SleuthyGal]

Originally Posted by missy8394
As for the evidence, I've always thought they didn't have to disprove it, they just have to provide reasonable doubt, I always hear that the "the burden Is on the state to prove the defendant guilty as charged In the indictment beyond all reasonable doubt" (borrowed from a court website).

The defense doesn't HAVE TO say a word about anything at all. They can literally sit there and say nothing. The burden is entirely on the prosecution to bring forth evidence and the jury decides if it meets the standard of proof 'beyond a reasonable doubt.'

 

[elitenls]

Here's my problems with the case, besides the obvious. Everyone wishes and hopes Caylee is alive and well somewhere in this world. And I believe like the Anthony's holding onto that 1% chance that she is.

It would seem as though they are.

But. If I had leads where this child was, I would be screaming it from the roof tops. I would be publicly declaring every lead in every country, every chance I had. Especially if I believed LE wasnt following up, as the A's have repeatedly stated.

As would I. The hell with what LE suggests -- if I didn't feel they were doing everything in their power to help find my little girl, I would do it my damn self (though, I'd be doing it my damn self anyway -- because I wouldn't be able to just sit still). However, they are not doing anything.

I would have left my child in jail, she is safe there. And it would not be physically possible for me to live in a house day after day with the person who knows something about the whereabouts of the child and not mention anything....

You do NOT know that you would do that. Unless you have personally had the exact same experience, you have no idea what kind of emotional roller coaster you would be going through. We all love our kids (hopefully) enough that we want to protect them no matter what. Mine isn't big enough to lie, but I would think that I'd like to believe and trust everything she says -- even if she had a tendency to bend the truth a bit (yes, I know it's a meager exaggeration).

Deep denial of the child's death may have kept me from searching the woods for her, but I would give any information and any materials needed to anyone that would help find this baby..

Again, as would I. They have not, as far as we know. However, I reserve the right to truly only trust the documented evidence that has been released by LE; not some blogger's view on the situation. Honestly, if you're looking for hits -- why wouldn't you also bend the truth, just enough to pique curiosity? I'm not saying it's not fact -- just saying that it's not legal fact ... yet.

I would have demanded a lie detector test!! DAY 1

Wouldn't matter if she believes what she's saying though. Still, I don't think it would hurt her public image to take one (though, it would have been better a month or so ago before it really hit the national spotlight).

If I decided to sell pictures of my missing child for $1million. The reward amount would be $1.225 million dollars. Talk about motive to give the child back.

Yup.

I would be hiring all the PI's I could find, not a criminal atty to do a media blitz. My reputation and "how I look" would be the LAST thing on my mind. I would be using the Media everyday, every minute and every second to benefit finding Caylee.

The media; however, isn't always helpful. Rather, they are sometimes detrimental in a case -- as they tend to skew things in one direction to get ratings. That is, after all, their job.

I agree that while "lawyering up" looks bad, it doesn't necessarily mean they need him for legal stuff. He said last night that he's more PR than anything, because of his experience with the media. I dunno, I'd rather hire someone who has a dual-purpose than someone who doesn't; and honestly, given that this is such a huge thing, it might look even worse to have the image of getting a "Public Relations firm" to handle their situation, rather than a "Criminal Defense Attorney". At least this way, in the spin, it looks like they are just following suit.

Reputation wouldn't mean jack s~ to me as long as I knew everyone was doing everything they could (including myself) to find my baby girl. Period.

JMHO

Mine too.

I'd also like to add that even though I disagree with a few things in these posts -- I don't believe this little girl is alive, and I do also believe that her mother had something to do with that; but, I do also think we are all being a little too hard on Casey's family.

They (CA & GA) are not; however, being held accountable for their actions -- and that is inexcusable, even in a time of great grief and sadness. You shouldn't be able to lie to the police, to the public, and then in court and get away with it; and nobody, and I mean nobody has the right to shove an old lady, anywhere. The guys that have gotten some of G's rage, that's not as bad IMO, but still wrong -- especially since G thinks he owns the sidewalk and the street. What the hell do you expect though?

I'd probably go off on people if they were protesting in my front yard too. People protesting outside of a residence -- that ... that's just ignorant, pointless, and pissing the people in the neighborhood off. What the heck did the neighbors do? *laugh*

Two weeks until the Presidential debate -- which will wipe this case's focus right out of the media until after the election. Better charge somebody soon OCSO -- attention span of American's is not enough to keep you in the public's high-opinion.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

One of the things that amazes me the most is how often people keep saying that Casey is a sociopath and has narcissistic personality. This is because they've heard "therapists" on TV who are saying this without having ever tested, evaluated, or even met Casey Anthony. They are saying this totally based on the assumption that Casey did kill someone and is lying. So far, that assumption is based totally on appearances and suggestion, there isn't any proof, thank heavens, that has been admitted as evidence, ready to stand up to examination in a court of law.

My assessment of Casey has nothing to do with what anyone on TV has said, but her history and the 400+ pages I read. I work with these people everyday and it is not hard to identify a malignant narcissist when you have my experience with many just like her.

 

[Brini]

I just don't see how someone could kill a baby and then go about everyday life. Even if she wasn't distraught, you would think that every time someone mentioned Caylee's name, or asked about her, she would show some form of guilt or even fear of getting caught. We're talking about killing someone, lying and theft are one thing (actually two things), she did that a lot so she knew how to react, but how do you kill your child and not do something, anything out of the ordinary?? Nobody noticed anything different about her, wouldn't it be an involuntary reaction to at least show something? She's never even shown any fear. If she gave Caylee away, I think she would feel it's her child, her right and she wasn't doing anything wrong...no reason to be afraid or feel guilty.

If y'all are right and she did kill Caylee, I think she needs to get the best medical treatment her parents money can buy. She needs to be physically and mentally 100% healthy, so that for the rest of her life, every time she sees a little girl, hears a little one laugh or call out mommy, she will know.

There's no effective treatment for sociopathic personality disorder. Or, for that matter, ANY of the Axis II disorders.

 

[Lady Loves Lurking]

I think LE discouraged Nejame from announcing any new "live caylee leads" because the public is already in enough of a frenzy. It would be irresponsible to send the public on crazy searches for a child that is obviously presumed deceased by LE.

 

[missy8394]

Everything I saw (on the news sites) about the Chloroform said traces...the only place I saw that it was in large quantities was on blogs...

 

[TURBOTHINK]

The defense doesn't HAVE TO say a word about anything at all. They can literally sit there and say nothing. The burden is entirely on the prosecution to bring forth evidence and the jury decides if it meets the standard of proof 'beyond a reasonable doubt.'

That is the standard........but I would not bet my future life on it, because it rarely happens that the jury does not find persons guilty without a good defense.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Everything I saw (on the news sites) about the Chloroform said traces...the only place I saw that it was in large quantities was on blogs...

There will be more released soon.

 

[SleuthyGal]

The DA is allowing the cops to gather more evidence...there's lots to test, lots and lots of interviews to process, just a ton of stuff to deal with in this case. The DA will try to go for Murder One (i.e. Murder in the first degree). And, I believe, the DA will also attempt a DP. Those take solid evidence and the thorough crossing of 't' and dotting of 'i's. There is no hurry; there is no statute of limitations to murder. Better to get justice for Caylee and prove the case than rush anything. And that's what the DA is doing. The wall around Casey is being built brick by brick by brick. Baez knows it, as does everyone else involved.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Just throwing this out there...
If Casey gave Caylee to someone, we'll say "to hold" even if she offered it as a permanent situation, (she obviously didn't sell her or she wouldn't be stealing from her friends and family), how would that person be in violation of the law...if they had the parents permission. However, if that person were to come forward now, don't you think they would suddenly become the kidnapper? They'd end up spending the reward money on bail and attorney fees...

They could call LP and collect 50,000 and walk away still unknown. That dog won't hunt.......

 

[beaglebrd]

One of the things that amazes me the most is how often people keep saying that Casey is a sociopath and has narcissistic personality. This is because they've heard "therapists" on TV who are saying this without having ever tested, evaluated, or even met Casey Anthony. They are saying this totally based on the assumption that Casey did kill someone and is lying. So far, that assumption is based totally on appearances and suggestion, there isn't any proof, thank heavens, that has been admitted as evidence, ready to stand up to examination in a court of law.

I have thought about that a lot. You cannot diagnose someone on hearsay and observing snippets from TV news....HOWEVER, her own mother said this (she's a sociopath) about her. It's in the 400+ pages.

 

[raeann]

When and where was this confirmed as anything but a "leak"?

Right...I have seen NO LINKS to an official statement or report from any of these places, not the OCSO, not the Body Farm, not the FBI. ALL of the information has been through leaks and "unidentified sources". It is common practice of investigators to do this type of thing in order to try to trick someone into confessing to information that the departments do not actually have. These departments are under NO OBLIGATION at all to release only TRUTHFUL information, since it was never an official statement, all they have to do is attribute it later to "incorrect reports by the media" or misinformation from people "not associated with the investigation". Ask any detective and they will tell you that one of their standard practices is to lie to suspects and say "how do you explain your fingerprints on the murder weapon" when they KNOW there are no prints there. Or, to tell them that a witness saw them at the crime scene when they have absolutely NO WITNESSES. Please do not confuse police tactics with factual information. There is no correlation between the two.

 

[SewingDeb]

I'm glad you said that Turbo! It was being said long before the TV psychologists started saying it. Cindy said it months ago and she probably got that from her therapist who should know.

 

[rozey]

Still waiting for the evidence that Caylee is alive.....Hmmm....did I miss the post? Yes I'm being snarky....

 

[TURBOTHINK]

The DA is allowing the cops to gather more evidence...there's lots to test, lots and lots of interviews to process, just a ton of stuff to deal with in this case. The DA will try to go for Murder One (i.e. Murder in the first degree). And, I believe, the DA will also attempt a DP. Those take solid evidence and the thorough crossing of 't' and dotting of 'i's. There is no hurry; there is no statute of limitations to murder. Better to get justice for Caylee and prove the case than rush anything. And that's what the DA is doing. The wall around Casey is being built brick by brick by brick. Baez knows it, as does everyone else involved.

I totally agree with that..........This case is going to be presented to the Grand Jury and they are going to ask for no bond.

 

[Lady Loves Lurking]

Why would there be any hurry to charge KC? I seriously doubt she's going to be headed anywhere anytime soon. Why not wait to see if they can find the body and analyze whatever evidence that body presents?

 

[dcorrigano]

Now understand this first, I do not believe Caylee is alive....

With that said...

We have just as much proof that she is alive as we do dead. Why do I say that....
Well every piece of information about the evidence in this case has been leaked by "LE".
It's just as reasonable to think that LE leaked this information to scare KC into talking. LE lies to people all day long trying to get information. How many times has a defendent admitted to a crime they didnt commit, because LE lied? Quit a few.

I really believe if LE honestly had the solid evidence they leaked KC would be in jail on murder charges and not these petty crimes that would be thrown out with a murder charge. That is something not sitting right with me about this.

Until the evidence is released in it's entirety everything is speculation and opinion. (OMG I scared myself, I sound like JB). But really, I just dont think it's smart to believe everything we are hearing, especially since the media is notorious for embelishing the facts.

My gutt tells me that KC killed Caylee as revenge to her parents. My gutt tells me her parents know. That is the same gutt that told me that the Ramsey's were not and are not guilty and the same gutt that told me that Susan Smith was hiding something behind her crocidile tears.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Still waiting for the evidence that Caylee is alive.....Hmmm....did I miss the post? Yes I'm being snarky....

I'm still waiting too. Not being snarky...just really wanting to see some evidence of it. It doesn't exist. However, the reverse is, unfortunately true. Evidence of her demise is piling up and it's damning.

 

[missy8394]

But I don't want her to be gone...:nono:

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Right...I have seen NO LINKS to an official statement or report from any of these places, not the OCSO, not the Body Farm, not the FBI. ALL of the information has been through leaks and "unidentified sources". It is common practice of investigators to do this type of thing in order to try to trick someone into confessing to information that the departments do not actually have. These departments are under NO OBLIGATION at all to release only TRUTHFUL information, since it was never an official statement, all they have to do is attribute it later to "incorrect reports by the media" or misinformation from people "not associated with the investigation". Ask any detective and they will tell you that one of their standard practices is to lie to suspects and say "how do you explain your fingerprints on the murder weapon" when they KNOW there are no prints there. Or, to tell them that a witness saw them at the crime scene when they have absolutely NO WITNESSES. Please do not confuse police tactics with factual information. There is no correlation between the two.

If I were in Casey's position, I would not "bet my life" on those leaks being untruthful.

There were some releases on the information by LE. Read the documents.