To all who believe Caylee is ALIVE, explain this?

[Brini]

Not here, I am telling you not ONE person I have mentioned it to knows anything about it ! They say "who's that?"
Ok here's what I just did, I just put my 3 year old on his bus(special school he's autistic) and asked the driver and matron if they heard of the "little girl in Florida ,Caylee who is missing?"

Both said "No...missing where? "

So no matter what anyones thoughts are on this case it is NOT well known

Well, I'm in Califonia, and there's a TON of discussion about this case. Everybody I've talked with knows about it, discusses it, and has an opinion.

 

[rozey]

I'm still waiting too. Not being snarky...just really wanting to see some evidence of it. It doesn't exist. However, the reverse is, unfortunately true. Evidence of her demise is piling up and it's damning.

Exactly! I would love to see some positive evidence that Caylee is alive but it just isn't there.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Now understand this first, I do not believe Caylee is alive....

With that said...

We have just as much proof that she is alive as we do dead. Why do I say that....
Well every piece of information about the evidence in this case has been leaked by "LE".
It's just as reasonable to think that LE leaked this information to scare KC into talking. LE lies to people all day long trying to get information. How many times has a defendent admitted to a crime they didnt commit, because LE lied? Quit a few.

Do you believe the FBI crime lab lied? If so, why? Some sources in this case have links directly to the FBI. Not all info has come directly from LE. Have they all lied? If yes, why? And why continue to lie? It hasn't 'forced' Casey into doing anything. Obviously hasn't worked. So if everyone involved with the case is 'lying,' then what is the value in continuing to lie to everyone, including the public?

 

[Talison]

http://www.wftv.com/video/17358012/index.html

Listen to the statement by Sgt. John Allen, about 1 1/2 minutes into the video. LE knows that Caylee is dead. The "Caylee is alive" supporters choose to ignore that statement by trying to claim that the word "indicate" somehow means that he is saying that they're not really sure if there was a body in the trunk or if it was Caylee, but any rational person can tell that he's saying that Caylee is dead.

From dictionary.com:
in·di·cate
–verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing. 1. to be a sign of; betoken; evidence; show: His hesitation really indicates his doubt about the venture.
2. to point out or point to; direct attention to: to indicate a place on a map.
3. to show, as by measuring or recording; make known: The thermometer indicates air temperature.
4. to state or express, esp. briefly or in a general way; signal: He indicated his disapproval but did not go into detail.
5. Medicine/Medical. a. (of symptoms) to point out (a particular remedy, treatment, etc.) as suitable or necessary.
b. to show the presence of (a condition, infection, etc.).

So the forensic evidence LE has "is a sign of" Caylee's body being in the trunk. It is "evidence" of Caylee's body being in the trunk. It "shows the presence of" Caylee's body being in the trunk. The word "indicate" does not mean there is room for doubt, like some people choose to pretend that it does. It just baffles me that law enforcement can state flat out that Caylee is not alive, and people just choose not to believe it.

We can argue hair banding and DNA and sniff tests all day, but the fact is that LE knows Caylee is dead. The evidence THEY have makes them believe she is dead. But sure, go ahead and make-believe that Caylee is in Puerto Rico, if it makes you feel better.

 

[diz39]

Yes exactly! I would too (turn in my mother if I had to).

Yer damn skippy, sister. Momma would get thrown under the bus! LOL

 

[GizzySmith]

Then why not charge her now?

Poster's name removed, because I am just making a general observation.

IMHO Evidence that proves there is a dead person, is far from proving that a particular person committed a murder related to that dead person.

I think LE is working on tying all the evidence together in this case, then there will be the appropriate charges.

 

[raeann]

One more comment. Why is Baez trying to stop all forensic testing? How could it possibly help to stop the testing if he is so sure it is not Caylee's decomp they are testing?

He is preparing for a murder trial even before charges have been filed.

This is standard practice when samples may be limited in amounts. It is necessary to be done so that those samples are not used up and kept purposely from being tested by an independent lab. If JB did not request this action he would be liable for malpractice. It is not unusual and it IS the sign of an attorney doing a proper job for his client.

 

[seagull65]

Please discuss why you believe Caylee is alive. That is the topic.

I have suggested a couple of times if you truly believe she is alive, give your facts, reasons, theories, ideas on action needed and discuss.

:woohoo:

I think it is possible that she is alive. So far there isn't any proof to the contrary, despite "leaks" and lots of media spin. I prefer to keep hope for Caylee's well-being until there is undeniable proof to the contrary. (A) absence of motive, who would want to harm Caylee? Casey did not have a motive. She could leave Caylee with her parents anytime, there was no need or motive to "get rid of" Caylee. She did not need to get rid of Caylee in order to "party". (b) All people interviewed by police said there was no history of Casey disliking the child or mistreating the child. On the contrary, they all, even the person who was upset because Casey had stolen from her, said that Casey was a good mom, concerned for Caylee's safety, affectionate and normal in her behavior toward Caylee, fed her well, observed a good routine i.e. bedtime tucked in with her dolls, mealtimes, bathing, etc. (c) The decomposing body in trunk theory has not been proved yet. Hair that gets into the trunk of a car normally, for example, transferred there on clothes or toys or whatever, decomposes. According to one expert I saw on TV, hair may even develop banding if exposed to conditions other than a decomposing body, it's not yet known what all the conditions are that may cause banding. Air test and sniff tests are very debatable and may not hold up in a court of law at all, they might not be reliable at all. Apparently chloroform fumes may even potentially result from such chemicals as those used in diaper genies, hand sanitizers/antibacterial cleaning agents (triclosan), and other cleaning substances. One person on this site was even discussing a theory regarding whether chloroform fumes could even cause a false positive for decomposition vapor (in air sample). (c) if CMA had murdered Caylee, I don't think she would be acting like she has been. She would be pretending to be upset, and she would concoct plausible stories. Her behavior fits for someone who believes that Caylee is OK. These are a few reasons that a lot of people, like myself, still believe that Caylee may be alive. We won't have any idea what "evidence" authorities actually have, regarding what, or how strong or conclusive it is, until any charges are actually brought, and the evidence is examined and argued in court. My opinion anyway.

 

[SewingDeb]

The attorneys on Nancy Grace last night didn't think this was standard practice, not one of them.

 

[s1rebecca]

Who would she give her to? I am sure the computer forensic people could find correspondence between her and a person/family, they have all her phone records, etc. They would have investigated that by now. The Grunds believed they were the grandparents for at least a year and they have come forward to clear their name so they don't have her. I say LE is going to wait as long as possible to charge her with murder. She is going to go to jail for quite sometime for the neglect and check fraud charges so they can take their time to prepaire while she is serving time for the other charges and when she gets close to getting out on those charges, slap her with a murder charge.

 

[liltigress]

My assessment of Casey has nothing to do with what anyone on TV has said, but her history and the 400+ pages I read. I work with these people everyday and it is not hard to identify a malignant narcissist when you have my experience with many just like her.

Thank you!
Uh huh! I think a lot of people forget there are many professionals on this board. It isn't just a gossip column.

I don't have the specific link/page right off hand but the Judge HAS seen Casey's psychological report and he did make a comment about it.

 

[MarleneM]

Seriously, are the Anthonys using their "Find Caylee Fund" to search for a live Caylee? If they truly believe she is alive they would be doing that. Trust me, when a family member is missing you need to know. You need to know because anything you may find out could not be as bad as the thoughts that keep going through your mind. I have been there. I know.

Your right kidz, if the Anthony's are collecting money to find Caylee, then how come that money has not put them one single airplane thus far to one of the places Cindy says she has leads to? What else is that money for? Really.

And for those who believe Casey's words above the ones proven to date to be intricate lies, I can't get passed how anyone would think that a mother would *give* her child away, and then go about her life as if nothing had happened. Think of your baby, every day knowing only you and maybe your parents, then one day - nothing. Your baby is on his/her own, never being able to hold you for comfort again. If you love your child, how do reason so quickly as Casey theoretically did, that the child's needs and wants are being met?

Is she hungry? Is he scared? Does her tooth hurt? Does he have an ear infection? Is there any way set up for the people who have your child to provide medical and dental care for your baby? How can you know when you aren't paying them a dime? How do you know they aren't abusing your baby if you aren't communicating with them? How do you know your child's shoes fit and that she isn't being made to sleep in a room with who knows how many other children? How do you know that at the mere age of 3 your baby isn't crying for you? Scared of what has happened, not understanding any of it.

I respect the opinions of others, I believe those who think Caylee is alive are being led by their hearts. But I take my stance that poor Caylee is dead because I am a mother, and at one time I was a young desperate mother. I think of the details that any mother would think of even if I had willingly given my child up for legal adoption. Is my baby ok? Is my baby provided for? Is my baby better off without me? And how would I know, if I didn't even know where my baby was. And why if I claimed my child was kidnapped would I not be out using money donated to me to break down every door to find her?

 

[SleuthyGal]

http://www.wftv.com/video/17358012/index.html

Listen to the statement by Sgt. John Allen, about 1 1/2 minutes into the video. LE knows that Caylee is dead. The "Caylee is alive" supporters choose to ignore that statement by trying to claim that the word "indicate" somehow means that he is saying that they're not really sure if there was a body in the trunk or if it was Caylee, but any rational person can tell that he's saying that Caylee is dead.

From dictionary.com:
in·di·cate
–verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing. 1. to be a sign of; betoken; evidence; show: His hesitation really indicates his doubt about the venture.
2. to point out or point to; direct attention to: to indicate a place on a map.
3. to show, as by measuring or recording; make known: The thermometer indicates air temperature.
4. to state or express, esp. briefly or in a general way; signal: He indicated his disapproval but did not go into detail.
5. Medicine/Medical. a. (of symptoms) to point out (a particular remedy, treatment, etc.) as suitable or necessary.
b. to show the presence of (a condition, infection, etc.).

So the forensic evidence LE has "is a sign of" Caylee's body being in the trunk. It is "evidence" of Caylee's body being in the trunk. It "shows the presence of" Caylee's body being in the trunk. The word "indicate" does not mean there is room for doubt, like some people choose to pretend that it does. It just baffles me that law enforcement can state flat out that Caylee is not alive, and people just choose not to believe it.

We can argue hair banding and DNA and sniff tests all day, but the fact is that LE knows Caylee is dead. The evidence THEY have makes them believe she is dead. But sure, go ahead and make-believe that Caylee is in Puerto Rico, if it makes you feel better.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Thank you for being a voice of reason and common sense. Some folks will also say that there is only "circumstantial evidence" in the case. Well yes. EVERYTHING except eyewitness testimony and confession is, by definition, "circumstantial." And how many murders/homicides have eyewitnesses to them? There is no INNOCENT explanation for decomposition in the trunk of Casey's car. NONE. There is no INNOCENT explanation for hair from a decomposing body that is forensically linked through DNA to Caylee AND shows the telltale signs of decomp for being in the trunk. There is no INNOCENT explanation for the "car smelling like a dead body" per Cindy Anthony. A dead body WAS in the trunk of that car. Even George Anthony, CEO of Anthony Denial Inc., concedes THAT MUCH! A dead body was in the trunk of Casey's car. A decomposing body. That just so happens to have DNA that matches Caylee Anthony. I mean what are the ODDS that this is not Caylee and not really a dead body? Come on! There is no other material that smells both like human decomposition, can fool both cadaver dogs AND the FBI crime lab into thinking it's human DNA when it's not. Nope, not urine-soaked diapers, not dirty clothes, not pizza rotting, not anything but what it is. To within a certainty that is astronomically impossible that it could be anything else.

 

[Kolchak]

I'm on the fence. A lot of evidence pointing to the worst...no one can deny that. A lot of strange things that can not be explained have happened. I just like to believe that there is a small possiblity that she is alive.
Not comparing the cases, but remember how bizarre the Elizabeth Smart case was....Again, not comparing, nor implying this is a kidnapping case because I don't believe the Zanny story...just saying strange things have happened before.
Just trying to be a little optimistic.

 

[kidz110]

This is standard practice when samples may be limited in amounts. It is necessary to be done so that those samples are not used up and kept purposely from being tested by an independent lab. If JB did not request this action he would be liable for malpractice. It is not unusual and it IS the sign of an attorney doing a proper job for his client.

Ummm..not when she's only been charged with child neglect.

 

[Brini]

You're right! Casey could not have paid them $225,000 and that's the current going-rate for info leading to a safe/alive Caylee. And yet they remain quiet as does everyone around them. Not one peep about this little girl they've got...a little girl that is worth $225K to them for one phone call leading to her. Amazing.

Yep! A toddler suddenly turns up in a home that didn't have that toddler, before. Meanwhile, there's an offer of a reward of $225,000 for a missing TODDLER. If the people who "have Caylee" have ANY friends, family, acquiantances, or co-workers , or see ANYONE on a regular basis, there would have been a word to the authorities, by now. An entire solcial circle is NOT going to remain utterly silent.

As the old saying goes, "Two can keep a secret, if one is dead."

 

[dcorrigano]

Do you believe the FBI crime lab lied? If so, why? Some sources in this case have links directly to the FBI. Not all info has come directly from LE. Have they all lied? If yes, why? And why continue to lie? It hasn't 'forced' Casey into doing anything. Obviously hasn't worked. So if everyone involved with the case is 'lying,' then what is the value in continuing to lie to everyone, including the public?

Who at the FBI? A janitor? We just dont know who these sources are. Im not saying they arent accurate or viable, but we dont know....

Agreed it hasnt helped and KC hasnt said a word, but the last leak was well over a week ago, the cloroform. It hasnt worked and now the leaks stopped. But KC is going back to jail for more ck charges? (Pressure???)

Believe me Im not defending, but I am a trained PI and as much as I want something to be one way or another more often than not it isnt anything I expected. They hype is fueling this case, not the facts. Just keep that in mind and be objective. JMHO

 

[raeann]

If I were in Casey's position, I would not "bet my life" on those leaks being untruthful.

There were some releases on the information by LE. Read the documents.

I have read the documents....and listened to the official statements of LE. They have clearly stated they are releasing NO DNA EVIDENCE. So any that is out there is NOT OFFICIAL OR CONFIRMED.

I am in no way stating an opinion on what CA should do or not do in her defense, or stating an opinion of whether she is guilty of anything. Just saying that the scientific information being quoted has NEVER been confirmed as factual or accurate. It is innuendo and assumptions, and in many cases flat out rumor created by blogs and repeated by media as true. I will form my opinions when the REAL information is available and not until then.

 

[liltigress]

Now understand this first, I do not believe Caylee is alive....

With that said...

We have just as much proof that she is alive as we do dead. Why do I say that....
Well every piece of information about the evidence in this case has been leaked by "LE".
It's just as reasonable to think that LE leaked this information to scare KC into talking. LE lies to people all day long trying to get information. How many times has a defendent admitted to a crime they didnt commit, because LE lied? Quit a few.

I really believe if LE honestly had the solid evidence they leaked KC would be in jail on murder charges and not these petty crimes that would be thrown out with a murder charge. That is something not sitting right with me about this.

Until the evidence is released in it's entirety everything is speculation and opinion. (OMG I scared myself, I sound like JB). But really, I just dont think it's smart to believe everything we are hearing, especially since the media is notorious for embelishing the facts.

My gutt tells me that KC killed Caylee as revenge to her parents. My gutt tells me her parents know. That is the same gutt that told me that the Ramsey's were not and are not guilty and the same gutt that told me that Susan Smith was hiding something behind her crocidile tears.

My take on this.. LE is leaking information. Very skillfully I believe. If they can get Casey to tell where Caylee is before decomposition got so far, they may have a better chance to prove cause of death. That is what they are looking for. With cause of death, they can take that a step further and determine premeditation.

LE isn't just spitting in the wind. They have a reason for the way they are handling this investigation and I believe in them completely.

 

[El Gato]

OH CRICKEY, The baby is gone. We can pretend she is playing with puppy dogs and running thru fields chasing butterflies till the cows come home. This is the most sought child in the world. If someone had her, we'd know about it.