To all who believe Caylee is ALIVE, explain this?

[rozey]

Still waiting for evidence of Caylee being alive....If you don't believe LE's statements without seeing the results in black and white explain to me how you can believe anything that the A's have said? Where is the proof that anything the A's have said proved true? Plz list them because I haven't seen any proof that anything that has come from the A's has been proven true.

 

[tttterri]

Could Casey be comfortable because she knows the child is alive and that she can produce her at anytime that she decides to call off this charade? No need to worry about a murder rap if you have the info that can prove it is not one. Meanwhile, money is pouring in for Casey and the parents arent mad at her anymore, and look at all the attn. Just a thought to consider if we want to consider all angles.

 

[seagull65]

Yep! A toddler suddenly turns up in a home that didn't have that toddler, before. Meanwhile, there's an offer of a reward of $225,000 for a missing TODDLER. If the people who "have Caylee" have ANY friends, family, acquiantances, or co-workers , or see ANYONE on a regular basis, there would have been a word to the authorities, by now. An entire solcial circle is NOT going to remain utterly silent.

As the old saying goes, "Two can keep a secret, if one is dead."

unless whoever has Caylee is holding her to silence Casey about another crime, that's one of the other theories. Who knows at this point? To many unknowns by far for me to reach a conclusion yet. I remain hopeful Caylee is alive, there is no need to jump to the conclusion that she is dead or that Casey is a murderer.

 

[dcorrigano]

1. If you're not connected to the investigation of the case you're not going to see the ACTUAL reports (and you know that).

2. Experts who have seen the actual reports and were responsible for creating and interpreting the evidence will testify to that in court. They will not come on a message board and provide 'proof' to a bunch of posters.

3. The media can't just make up facts about the case and not get caught. If they are releasing info that is patently false, they can/will be sued.

1. true, so everything we are saying and hearing is speculation.
2. exactly, But no murder charges have been filed, so no court case to testify at.
3. Really media cant make up facts?????? RU Kidding me, research the truth behind Global Warming, or in the 80's it was Global Cooling. Pick one. No one in media is saying these are facts either, they are claiming sources. The only fact is that the sheriff said they arent confirming or denying any DNA evidence.

Dont get mad Im not saying Caylee isnt dead or that KC isnt guilty. But that is my own personal opinion. The evidence isnt saying anything about my opinion.

Just stay objective that's all Im saying.

 

[Talison]

What if the reporter had said to them "SHOW ME"? and they said oh no we cant do that... Why? You are talking about it on national TV, if you truly believe what you are saying and it isnt a ploy to get her to talk then you wouldnt have a problem with showing us those reports. Would your opinion change?

So are you saying that you think it's all a ploy to get her to talk, and you think that because LE isn't turning all their evidence over to the media? Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[Evan's Mom]

I'm not questioning what the attorneys you know said, but do they realize she has only been charged with child neglect? Baez was jumping the gun.

Really?
Because I think it's more along the lines of being prepared for anything and protecting his client as all attorneys should.

Seriously, his client has already been convicted by the press and the general public, so why not be prepared if it comes to that? I mean, it's his job and all.

 

[liltigress]

If it were a drug related problem causing Casey to lie and act the way she is, then half of America in that age range would be out losing their children and lying about it. I'm not buying that.

 

[Vahlaria]

I read the posts from the "Caylee is Alive" thread and I feel like I'm on another planet to these posters.

I ask them to explain to me -

Beings my first post was on this thread, I'll respond with my feelings, although when I first posted I considered myself more of a "fence sitter," and no longer view things that way.

Why, if Caylee was abducted by ZG and her sister Samantha, there has not been ONE SINGLE person come forward to verify the fact that these people exist. Surely they have friends and family. Someone has to know of them. Where are they?

I've never believed the Zanny the nanny story.

Put yourself in her shoes, if your baby was missing, kidnapped by ???....would you act this way? Would I lie? No, I'm an awful liar, so I don't. However, would I have no outward emotions on camera? Yea, I would, but I would also be upfront to the media about my frontal lobe damage (my brain tells me that I'm making facial expressions, but I rarely do. I wondered in the begining if this was the case with her, but as things have progressed, I no longer think that.) Would I party? Nope, don't drink for any reason, and I hate clubs.

Why didn't Casey ask TonE to get gas for her car if it had run out? Why didn't she go back even the next day and pick it up? My sister has done junk like that, so I honestly never factored it into the whole thing. I'm not saying it isn't a part of it, but, I think with my sister's history (bipolar and an alcoholic) I've learned to dismiss those things. I honestly don't think I've thought about it once until I saw this post.

Why didn't she confide in someone....I mean anyone, her brother, mother, father. Just someone. Think about it. Who could bear the pain on their own, your baby has been kidnapped. You would be screaming to someone for help. Well, the person I talk to, the only person is my husband. However, when I was single, I didn't speak to a soul, and would never confide in my family members. I haven't seen much of a "loving family" with the A's, and I doubt highly Casey would have confided in them with anything.

Why did Casey go out partying, having a great time with her friends after the kidnapping. Is this realistic, think about it. Would you, could you? She seems like an alcoholic to me, so yea, I can see her doing those things, again..something I've "learned" to dismiss. (I want to say, I don't think I or anyone should be dismissing these things, just that I've been conditioned to, and is why I didn't think about it.)

Why was Casey having such a great time leaving my space and face book messages to all her friends, after ZG kidnapped her baby girl? I've always thought Casey has serious mental issues, and have chalked it up to that.

Why did all of Casey's friends not notice anything different in her behavior? She didn't seem upset, stressed, worried, why? These people aren't her real friends. From what I've seen these are drinking/party buddies. I don't think they care much about her, or themselves at their age/maturity level.

Would you feel like stealing money from your friend and going on a shopping trip, when your baby was missing? No, but my sister has stolen money so much to drink, I again, chalked it up to alcoholic behavior.

Seriously, would you be thinking of having a tattoo if your child had been kidnapped? Wouldn't you be obsessed with finding her, getting her back.
No, I wouldn't get a tattoo. I hope I would be obsessed--don't have children so hate to offer an opinion about something I cant experience, but I sure as heck hope I would be.


Is this the behavior of a mother whose child has been kidnapped, or of a mother who has finally got the freedom to be a free 'party girl' again? NO.

I mean, this is only about her behavior. I haven't even mentioned the evidence. I just cannot for the life of me, understand how anybody could possibly not see the truth. Actions speak louder than words.
I agree. I think for me, what gave me the big doubt, was her behavior. I see so many parallels between Casey and my sister, it made it hard for me to be analytical. Everything my sister does, is dismissed, which is something over the past 18 years has driven me crazy at times. I don't think until this came out, I realized how much I've learned to blow off abnormal behavior.

I do have to say, reading everyone's posts, and opinions has helped me out a lot, both with the case, and with personal issues. I've heard my mother say "but what if this time, she's telling the truth?" so often, I automatically went down that road on my first post.

It's taken quite a bit of reading, and questioning, to start to chip away at this "thing" I've developed.

I keep thinking of the saying 'out of sight, out of mine' relating to Casey!

I definitely agree.

All I can say, is my family isn't kosher by any stretch of the imagination, and I live thousands of miles away. Although my sister hasn't killed anyone (I hope), she has done everything else, to the point of causing my mother to try to commit suicide (it still was her choice to do something so stupid IMO)

Seeing a family that acts so similar to mine has really flipped me upside down, and has made me question a lot (for which I am personally grateful.)

I can't and wont speak for anyone else in which has posted on that site, but in the short time I've been here, I've changed my mind completely around, and just can not see any innocence anymore in Casey.

I will add, however, I respect their and everyone's opinions, and value all input.

I do still hope Caylee is alive, and I hope everyone does deep down, no matter how impossible it may appear to be. I don't know, but I think that's a nice thing to think when we're speaking of a small child.

--JMO

 

[concentric]

Could Casey be comfortable because she knows the child is alive and that she can produce her at anytime that she decides to call off this charade? No need to worry about a murder rap if you have the info that can prove it is not one. Meanwhile, money is pouring in for Casey and the parents arent mad at her anymore, and look at all the attn. Just a thought to consider if we want to consider all angles.

That's taking "comfortable" to a whole 'nother level. If I were to entertain this idea for a moment, I guess Casey could be capable of torturing her daughter by keeping her in solitary confinement, but forensics prove otherwise, IMO.

 

[SleuthyGal]

by dcorrigano:
Just stay objective that's all Im saying.

Okay, so objectively, what evidence should I look at that shows me that Caylee is alive? It can't be a gray area. She is either alive or she's dead. I see indications (or what you call "speculations") that point to her death.

WHAT points to her being alive? I see a mother who is a known liar and read legal docs that demonstrate lying. I heard a call from a grandmother who smelled a smell she identified as a 'dead body in the damn car" to 911.

So give me something concrete aside from people's 'beliefs' and 'possible theories' of an alive/kidnapped Caylee?

 

[Evan's Mom]

Could Casey be comfortable because she knows the child is alive and that she can produce her at anytime that she decides to call off this charade? No need to worry about a murder rap if you have the info that can prove it is not one. Meanwhile, money is pouring in for Casey and the parents arent mad at her anymore, and look at all the attn. Just a thought to consider if we want to consider all angles.

I wondered about that too.
With the egos involved in this case, it would not surprise me to see this thing go to court and like some grand magician, Baez makes an announcement and in walks someone with Caylee.

Do I think that's going to happen?
No. It just crossed my mind a time or two.

 

[seagull65]

Another reason I could never believe that someone is holding Caylee for Casey besides the forensics, her criminal behavior, etc. etc. is that:

You would have to believe that someone was completely devoted to Casey and her coverup.

I'm sure in Casey's mind everyone should be unquestionably devoted to her--after all, she is "all that".

That's a good question, no one would be so devoted to a coverup, go to all the work involved with hiding the child, and forego the reward money, unless they have a strong reason. So the question is, what reasons might there be? Ie. person is covering up other crime they were involved in, person has strong personal attachment to Caylee, person is afraid to come forward, person believes Caylee needs to remain hidden from someone....

 

[kidz110]

Really?
Because I think it's more along the lines of being prepared for anything and protecting his client as all attorneys should.

Seriously, his client has already been convicted by the press and the general public, so why not be prepared if it comes to that? I mean, it's his job and all.

It is not his job to interfere with a police investigation. She has only been charged with child neglect. He jumped the gun and he looks stupid doing it.

 

[raeann]

I'm not questioning what the attorneys you know said, but do they realize she has only been charged with child neglect? Baez was jumping the gun.

You are completely correct about the minor charges so far. However, LE leaks and public opinion clearly indicate that they are going to attempt to charge her with more at some point. In that case, he CAN NOT WAIT till then because the samples could be depleted by the repeated testing that LE has indicated they are doing. Everyone should be HAPPY he has done this, as the lack of samples for independent testing could easily put the results of the LE labs in doubt during a trial. There are a multitude of cases which have been thrown out of court or the defendant found not guilty when lab errors or procedures have been proven to be faulty. If JB gets the samples held, and an independent lab gets the same results as LE, then their case is air tight. If they get a different result, then JB will look like a genius!

 

[elitenls]

I think hope and faith are totally fine. Everyone wants Caylee to be alive. But posters are asking what evidence (and not your 'feelings' and 'hopes') lead you to conclude she is, in fact, alive.

We have evidence that she is deceased. You might not believe that evidence. But that doesn't make it false. So what evidence (again, besides your BELIEF or non-belief in forensics) shows us an alive Caylee? Cause me? I've seen nothing that points me in that direction at this point.

There's no legal documentation released as of yet that says any of the things that we "know" about the case.

1. No DNA paperwork.

1a. Sources saying OCSO says there's DNA evidence isn't proof, it's heresay.
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1b. Sources saying F.B.I. says there's DNA evidence isn't proof, again, it's heresay.
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2. No chloroform paperwork.

2a. See above (1a).
2b. See above (1b).
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3. No decomposition paperwork.

3a. See above (1a).
3b. See above (1b).
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4. The statements from the LEO's are not in a court of law, and therefore, can be changed on a whim without legal repercussion.

There is NO PROOF, one way or the other; everything is circumstantial and speculatory (as far as the public knows). Yes, all that stuff above can/might exist -- however, since it has not been made public (and won't be until a trial and/or after a trial) no one on this board, unless they work for the OCSO, F.B.I. or other LE can do anything other than speculate. Period.

This is what let's people be optimistic.

If anyone were to hang on to hope with any one of those things being released -- would be utterly wrong. Until then, belief is belief.

 

[seagull65]

Regarding Casey's "lying", would you really call the things she told police "lies". To me, they didn't make enough sense to be lies. She was either totally confused, in shock, or something like that, OR she was giving cryptic answers that she wanted her family to follow up on privately, or she was hoping by leading the police to these particular locations they would stumble on the truth because she's afraid to tell who it really is, or she was trying to buy time because she thought Caylee was going to be returned...I'm not sure yet.

 

[Evan's Mom]

It is not his job to interfere with a police investigation. She has only been charged with child neglect. He jumped the gun and he looks stupid doing it.

OK kidz,

I wasn't aware of your education in the legal field.

 

[Fandy]

Regarding Casey's "lying", would you really call the things she told police "lies". To me, they didn't make enough sense to be lies. She was either totally confused, in shock, or something like that, OR she was giving cryptic answers that she wanted her family to follow up on privately, or she was hoping by leading the police to these particular locations they would stumble on the truth because she's afraid to tell who it really is, or she was trying to buy time because she thought Caylee was going to be returned...I'm not sure yet.

yes, I really call them LIES, quite elaborate , detailed lies, consistent with her regular behavior....according to her own mother.

 

[dcorrigano]

So are you saying that you think it's all a ploy to get her to talk, and you think that because LE isn't turning all their evidence over to the media? Am I understanding you correctly?

No, lets clarify.... My opinion as a poster on this board is: KC did it, Caylee is dead and she looks bad all the way around.

My opinion as a professional Investigator not associated with the case: is that there is just as much "real, hard, provable evidence" that this child is as alive as she is dead. Will LE lie to get information.. ALL DAY, EVERYDAY and ABOUT EVERYTHING!! So in my opinion, it is just as plausible as it is not. I think LE has allready turned over more evidence than it should to the public. It's none of our business, we have no right to information on a pending investigation and serves no purpose to the truth other than corrupting a potential jury pool and swaying the public toward an opinion.

Please understand, LE does not make a habit of allowing potential killers to walk the streets, even during an investigation. And honestly it scares me that so many people are just accepting what they are hearing as facts. It honestly explains why the country is in the mess it is. Just be objective, dont take every "word" as fact, truth or evidence.

 

[rozey]

Regarding Casey's "lying", would you really call the things she told police "lies". To me, they didn't make enough sense to be lies. She was either totally confused, in shock, or something like that, OR she was giving cryptic answers that she wanted her family to follow up on privately, or she was hoping by leading the police to these particular locations they would stumble on the truth because she's afraid to tell who it really is, or she was trying to buy time because she thought Caylee was going to be returned...I'm not sure yet.

I can't wrap my mind around any of this. A child is missing, confused, in shock, giving cryptic answers why???? Who better to have on your side than the FBI? You are right that Casey is afraid to tell who it really is, because it is her. She is playing cat and mouse with everyone.