To pass or not to pass, polygraphs are the question

[LFlorida]

So now here is the question...GHB (isn't that the date rape drug) possibly used on Misty? No one mentioned it but could be possible. Who could have filled in the details of that night for her?
I'm not saying this is what happened, just that it is possible I think. jmo

I mentioned it a long, long time ago. [lol - I mentioned a whole lot about it, aamof. TMI, iirc]

From everything that has been put out there about Misty, I think she would have scarfed down any pill Ronald Cummings handed her. Heck, she was so swoony-eyed-in-luv with Ronald, she would have chugged a vial of GHB straight. [I don't know how GHB is packaged, but I do remember all the stories back in the 1990s about protecting your drink while at a bar because there were several cases of men putting date-rape drugs in women's drinks.]

Who would have filled in the details? Hmmm, let's think about that...

Who she was living with for most of the past year?

Who would most benefit from her telling one story after another, each with details contradicting the previous story?

 

[elle1919]

I mentioned it a long, long time ago. [lol - I mentioned a whole lot about it, aamof. TMI, iirc]

From everything that has been put out there about Misty, I think she would have scarfed down any pill Ronald Cummings handed her. Heck, she was so swoony-eyed-in-luv with Ronald, she would have chugged a vial of GHB straight. [I don't know how GHB is packaged, but I do remember all the stories back in the 1990s about protecting your drink while at a bar because there were several cases of men putting date-rape drugs in women's drinks.]

Who would have filled in the details? Hmmm, let's think about that...

Who she was living with for most of the past year?

Who would most benefit from her telling one story after another, each with details contradicting the previous story?

bold by me...you do remember who she called first before 911 and even RC right? It is reported that she called her favorite brother Timmy. Perhaps he filled in the details for her.

 

[LFlorida]

bold by me...you do remember who she called first before 911 and even RC right? It is reported that she called her favorite brother Timmy. Perhaps he filled in the details for her.

I'll let someone else address the warp-speed trip from Fruitland Park to Satsuma.

Whisperer?

 

[twall]

bold by me...you do remember who she called first before 911 and even RC right? It is reported that she called her favorite brother Timmy. Perhaps he filled in the details for her.

It is a possibility that RC was aware of Timmy's actions that night/evening and Misty was calling him to see if he had finished what he was given directions to do-directions given by RC.

JMO

I just noticed the topic of the thread-sorry-no more ot from me.

 

[elle1919]

It is a possibility that RC was aware of Timmy's actions that night/evening and Misty was calling him to see if he had finished what he was given directions to do-directions given by RC.

JMO

I just noticed the topic of the thread-sorry-no more ot from me.

I guess anything is possible, but perhaps RC could have explained what she was supposed to remember in one of the twenty phone calls that Misty never picked up on that evening. Then she wouldn't have needed to call dear brother Timmy. jmo.

Round and round we go.....lol. :innocent:

 

[TxLady2]

LF, I totally get what you are trying to say, and YES, it could make her fail a poly, if she really does not have true memories of what happened that night because of being drugged, either by her own hand or someone else's. There are such things as false memories. You've been told something so many times you believe they are fact when in reality they are false. OR you tell a story of your own making so many times that you eventually believe you are telling the truth when you're not. Habitual liars sometimes have false memories... they really believe it happened one way because that's what they've said so many times, it becomes reality to them.

 

[elle1919]

Personally, I would like Misty to begin some other way besides, I put her to bed at 8 o'clock......cuz that's her bedtime, she had school......

I mean I am a stay at home Mom and I do pretty much the same thing day after day and I wouldn't explain everything identically like that. Just weird.

 

[Skully]

Okay hook me up to a LDT, here is the truth, I believe Misty fails the test because she is lying! She did not sound drugged or drunk or out of it on the 911 tape. So if she was so drunk or drugged and out of it, how come she can fool the cops that night? She tells a good story with details of the day, dinner, who was over, what time dinner was, all the blankets being washed, mentions the one on the window, in the van, movies the kids watched and several places the kids slept depending on which version you want to believe. No she wasn't drunk in my opinion. She can't pass the test because she is lying and protecting herself and possibly Ron. I don't have an excuse for the family.

 

[LFlorida]

By the way, great thread, Kimster!

Yes, great thread, but how the results are interpreted seem to hinge on semantics and our points of view.

I haven't changed my mind since last May about Haleigh's paternal family. It would take an arrest and an outright statement by LE to change my opinion, so I don't know why I think y'all would be any different than I am.

We are where we are, with our underlying beliefs, suspicions, and points of view.

[lol - so why I am even reading & posting about this case beats the heck out of me.]

Oh, I remember now...

I don't have any idea as to the actual date, place, method, and primary perpetrator.

 

[LFlorida]

I guess anything is possible, but perhaps RC could have explained what she was supposed to remember in one of the twenty phone calls that Misty never picked up on that evening. Then she wouldn't have needed to call dear brother Timmy. jmo.

Round and round we go.....lol. :innocent:

Why is it we think Misty called Timmy that night?

 

[LFlorida]

Okay hook me up to a LDT, here is the truth, I believe Misty fails the test because she is lying! She did not sound drugged or drunk or out of it on the 911 tape. So if she was so drunk or drugged and out of it, how come she can fool the cops that night? She tells a good story with details of the day, dinner, who was over, what time dinner was, all the blankets being washed, mentions the one on the window, in the van, movies the kids watched and several places the kids slept depending on which version you want to believe. No she wasn't drunk in my opinion. She can't pass the test because she is lying and protecting herself and possibly Ron. I don't have an excuse for the family.

Hmmm...

I have started to reply to this post 3x now, but I'm gonna pass again.

Nope, waitaminute - how has she "fooled" the cops for over a year?

'cause she's such an intelligent criminal? NO.

If she's so dang smart, how'd she get busted for selling such a paltry # of pills?

If she's so dang smart, how'd she end up screwing up her story EVERY SINGLE TIME she told it?

If she's so dang smart, why'd she stay with Ronald Cummings?

If she's so dang smart, why'd she marry Mr. Wonderful?

If she's so dang smart, why hasn't she managed to frame somebody else? [Not accuse, frame.]

If she's so dang smart, why'd she let DBrock be her bestest buddy?


And finally ------

If she's such a pathological liar - how did she ever fail the 1st test?



JMO - you can't have it both ways.

 

[LFlorida]

My neurological synapses get very, very busy, especially when I debate peeps who are intelligent. [lol - that doesn't happen often in my everyday life. j/k] :dance:

 

[bessie]

It would be interesting to examine all of the tests she's taken for patterns and correlations. To simply say she failed means little. It's important to know which questions show deception, and whether the results of particular questions are consistent among the panel of tests she's taken.

 

[lonetraveler]

Hmmm...

I have started to reply to this post 3x now, but I'm gonna pass again.

Nope, waitaminute - how has she "fooled" the cops for over a year?

'cause she's such an intelligent criminal? NO.

If she's so dang smart, how'd she get busted for selling such a paltry # of pills?

If she's so dang smart, how'd she end up screwing up her story EVERY SINGLE TIME she told it?

If she's so dang smart, why'd she stay with Ronald Cummings?

If she's so dang smart, why'd she marry Mr. Wonderful?

If she's so dang smart, why hasn't she managed to frame somebody else? [Not accuse, frame.]

If she's so dang smart, why'd she let DBrock be her bestest buddy?


And finally ------

If she's such a pathological liar - how did she ever fail the 1st test?



JMO - you can't have it both ways.

LFlorida, maybe it is not that Misty is so smart, but that she thinks that she is smart.

 

[LFlorida]

LFlorida, maybe it is not that Misty is so smart, but that she thinks that she is smart.

ITA - I think I'm pretty dang smart, but I doubt I could pass a LDT.

 

[lonetraveler]

I do believe that a pathological liar could pass a poly.

I have no scientific data to back this up, but I do have a cousin who I grew up with, he is a pathological liar. There are lies that he has told since we were in kindergarten together, and still tells the same lies to this day. I know he's lying, he knows that I know he's lying, yet he states these lies as fact. I think he's told the story so much he believes it's the truth. I think if he took a LDT about the lie, he would pass.

Maven, I can totally believe this. I think that someone who is a pathological liar can convince even themselves that they are telling the truth and therefore does not have any problem lying on a poly. IMO, you would have to have a conscience and feel some level of guilt to show a physical reaction while lying. If you are a pathological liar, in my opinon, you would not feel any guilt at all while lying and could therefore pass a LDT.

 

[twall]

I guess anything is possible, but perhaps RC could have explained what she was supposed to remember in one of the twenty phone calls that Misty never picked up on that evening. Then she wouldn't have needed to call dear brother Timmy. jmo.

Round and round we go.....lol. :innocent:

I wasn't implying that Misty called Timmy to refresh her memory of a story she should tell-I was trying to say that Misty called Timmy to ask him if he was done with what Ron asked him to do so she could call 911. Ron could not do the task he asked Timmy to do because he had to go to work so he had an alibi. IMO Misty was instructed to turn off her phone so her where abouts could not be traced through pings and RC kept calling her so it would look like he was concerned when all along he knew what was going on. Misty was being set up to take the fall. Misty has never implicated Timmy or RC which makes me believe they are more likely to be involved than Joe and Tommy. What she doesn't say tells me more than what she does say.
I wish a polygrapher would ask her if Timmy and RC are involved in Haleigh's disappearance.
I would like to know if her answers to those two questions show deception or not.

JMO

 

[Gracenote]

If the examinee is nervous, will the polygraph test give a false positive?


Errors are usually referred to as either false positives or false negatives. A false positive occurs when a truthful examinee is reported as being deceptive; a false negative when a deceptive examinee is reported as truthful. Polygraph errors may be caused by the examiner's failure to properly prepare the examinee for the examination, or by a misreading of the physiological data on the polygraph charts.
Can the polygraph be wrong? "No," "However I was just called in by the spouse of a person who failed a pre-employment test. He failed when questioned on cocaine use. His spouse felt sure he had never used cocaine, so how could he fail?
One, he could have lied to her. Two, he might have something about the use of cocaine that bothered him. Perhaps someone used or purchased it in his presence, and it makes him feel uncomfortable. That would show up on the test.
What most people don't realize about a polygraph exam is that the examiner will go over the questions with the examinee several times, making sure there is no area of discomfort. It is vital to the integrity of the test that the examinee be honest about what is bothering them on any given issue before the test. In the case I just mentioned, if perhaps the issue was that someone had used cocaine in this man's presence, the examiner would have phrased the question, with that in mind. For instance, "Other than what you told me, have you ever used cocaine?" If the examinee was honest, the test will show it one way or the other.

more at the link:

http://www.truthorlie.com/falsepos.html

As a teenager I had to take a poly as part of a job application. During those years I also had really severe panic attacks and being strapped into the chair (trapped!!!OMG) set off one long attack, heart pounding, dripping sweat, all the wonderful symptoms. The polygrapher was really nice and he could either see through the panic on his equipment or he could tell I was pathologically honest (I confessed to eating a 2 cent mint patty from the counter once as a cashier *gasp*) and he unhooked me and I got the job. Maybe he was afraid I was going to rip off the wires and break the machine.

There is no point to this story. Maybe that a lot of people are nervous about taking the tests so they have to be able to work around that. Maybe you react to telling a lie regardless of your mental state.

I'm still sorry I stole that mint patty. I should have tossed 2 cents into the drawer.

 

[Emeralgem]

Bottom line for me in reference to whether or not Misty is capable of passing a lie detector test is..
IF and when she ever decides to tell the TRUTH about what really happened to Haleigh and who was actually involved the machine will reveal she is telling the TRUTH... JMO

 

[Skully]

Hmmm...

I have started to reply to this post 3x now, but I'm gonna pass again.

Nope, waitaminute - how has she "fooled" the cops for over a year?

'cause she's such an intelligent criminal? NO.

If she's so dang smart, how'd she get busted for selling such a paltry # of pills?

If she's so dang smart, how'd she end up screwing up her story EVERY SINGLE TIME she told it?

If she's so dang smart, why'd she stay with Ronald Cummings?

If she's so dang smart, why'd she marry Mr. Wonderful?

If she's so dang smart, why hasn't she managed to frame somebody else? [Not accuse, frame.]

If she's so dang smart, why'd she let DBrock be her bestest buddy?


And finally ------

If she's such a pathological liar - how did she ever fail the 1st test?



JMO - you can't have it both ways.

Read my post again, no where do I state she is smart. No I am saying she doesn't sound drugged or drunk. Her story is full of holes and she can't keep it straight, but she is sober enough to give all that false information. I don't want it both ways, I think she is lying and covering up for herself and maybe Ron.