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Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes Are Divorcing
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I don't want to start any religion debate, all religions are debatable. Every fact is questionable. If we had any record of the true beginnings of all the major ones we could debate that too.
I do however disagree that Scientology is a religion. The interviews and documentaries I have watched are about abuse. Nothing but abuse. And, spending all of your hard earned money. I don't see how this helped any of the common people have a better life. Not even sure it helps the celebs other than land them a new film or t.v. show. Also, children should not be working long hours and only a few hours sleep, that IS a good way to brainwash them and keep them in control. Only, it gets worse here, they keep on shoving them into poor conditions and telling them they are never good enough, begin again.
If you go back and watch some of those, and listen to what LRH was doing when he "thought up" this stuff, what he even did to his son, then what he was doing to followers, you still get abuse. No proof of happy homes, families, nothing.
There may be some happy people out there that are practicing Scientologists, but I don't know that they can say it is because of Scientology. Unless they are not working there, their children are not working there, and they are only in the beginning phases of "how to be a stronger person" which could be done by reading any self help book, or taking a class at the Y.
I do however disagree that Scientology is a religion. The interviews and documentaries I have watched are about abuse. Nothing but abuse. And, spending all of your hard earned money. I don't see how this helped any of the common people have a better life. Not even sure it helps the celebs other than land them a new film or t.v. show. Also, children should not be working long hours and only a few hours sleep, that IS a good way to brainwash them and keep them in control. Only, it gets worse here, they keep on shoving them into poor conditions and telling them they are never good enough, begin again.
If you go back and watch some of those, and listen to what LRH was doing when he "thought up" this stuff, what he even did to his son, then what he was doing to followers, you still get abuse. No proof of happy homes, families, nothing.
There may be some happy people out there that are practicing Scientologists, but I don't know that they can say it is because of Scientology. Unless they are not working there, their children are not working there, and they are only in the beginning phases of "how to be a stronger person" which could be done by reading any self help book, or taking a class at the Y.
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That one I'm not sure I posted. If I did it was before watching it. That's one I don't think is completely accurate. JMO
I deleted it Steely, since I'm not sure it's the one I'm thinking of. I'll look for it later at work, when the boss isn't there. Got to get ready for work, should not post on the fly!
ETA: Well, now I don't know which one it is. No speakers here, and I watched too many over the last few days. It is either that one or this one, I think, so just ignore me:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwPMHM3qC9w&feature=related"]THE SECRETS OF SCIENTOLOGY (FULL DOCUMENTARY) - YouTube[/ame]
ETA: Well, now I don't know which one it is. No speakers here, and I watched too many over the last few days. It is either that one or this one, I think, so just ignore me:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwPMHM3qC9w&feature=related"]THE SECRETS OF SCIENTOLOGY (FULL DOCUMENTARY) - YouTube[/ame]
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http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/article1201166.ece
...Levy alone logged weekly sales of $200,000 to $350,000 for the church. Abby Wavell, 55, a well-liked reg who worked just down the hall at the Sandcastle, sold similar amounts.
Other registrars worked a few blocks south, initially at the church's Fort Harrison Hotel and later at the Oak Cove, its high-rise atop the downtown bluff.
Levy remembers their sales numbers. Dave Foster, 75, a Dartmouth man who once worked alongside L. Ron Hubbard, sold $200,000 to $250,000 a week. Paul Miller, 56, a soft-spoken veteran, typically generated about $350,000 in sales.
Sonya Jacques, 67, sold to celebrities such as John Travolta, Kirstie Alley and Tom Cruise. Considered the queen of the Clearwater reges, she consistently led the board with sales of $500,000 to $700,000 a week, Levy said....
...Levy alone logged weekly sales of $200,000 to $350,000 for the church. Abby Wavell, 55, a well-liked reg who worked just down the hall at the Sandcastle, sold similar amounts.
Other registrars worked a few blocks south, initially at the church's Fort Harrison Hotel and later at the Oak Cove, its high-rise atop the downtown bluff.
Levy remembers their sales numbers. Dave Foster, 75, a Dartmouth man who once worked alongside L. Ron Hubbard, sold $200,000 to $250,000 a week. Paul Miller, 56, a soft-spoken veteran, typically generated about $350,000 in sales.
Sonya Jacques, 67, sold to celebrities such as John Travolta, Kirstie Alley and Tom Cruise. Considered the queen of the Clearwater reges, she consistently led the board with sales of $500,000 to $700,000 a week, Levy said....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ughter-Bella-clothing-company-months-ago.html
A new report has claimed that Katie made the decision to fire Cruise's 19-year-old daughter Bella, whom he adopted during his marriage to Nicole Kidman, two months previously as she worked for the actress' clothing line Holmes and Yang.
A new report has claimed that Katie made the decision to fire Cruise's 19-year-old daughter Bella, whom he adopted during his marriage to Nicole Kidman, two months previously as she worked for the actress' clothing line Holmes and Yang.
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Watching youtube propaganda videos made by intolerant religious bigots is really not going to help you understand what Scientology is, it may help you understand what an asshat DM is and how screwed up an evil his COS org is but it isnt going to help you understand Scientology, for you to judge Scientology based on the actions of some FANATICAL EXTREMISTS is the same as one judging Christianity and Islam based on the actions of Koresh and Bin Laden, there are fanatics and extremists in every religion and they should not be allowed to become the face of said religion or define it to the masses. I understand some of you are new to all of this but the message you are sending, at least to me, is that you really have no idea what Scientology is, have never studied it, learned about it or tried to understand it, all you have done is allowed a few fanatical extremists who themselves are clearly mentally unstable, to define it for you and become the face of it. That IMO which I know is unpopular around these parts, is the very definition of intolerance.
Here's what you should know about Scientology, from someone who has studied it and went to some of the highest levels offered:
You will never learn the reasons for why a person decides to become a Scientologist, unless you actually do some Scientology. You see, Scientology - the subject, not the zeitgeist formulated on groupthink - is an applied religious philosophy, just like Buddhism is, which addresses the very nature of the human, spiritual, experience. Because it is an APPLIED RELIGIOUS PHILOSOPHY you actualy have to DO IT to understand it. You have to APPLY IT TO YOUR LIFE.
A Scientologist is someone who really does improve conditions in their lives - and others around them - by applying the materials and processes of the philosophy. If you are hurting people and they are in anguish over loss and separation from family: this is not true Scientology, but an altered form.This is what DM is all about, he ALTERED IT. There is a battle going on within the Church between those who would use the subject effectively and those who wish to destroy it from within.
But since Scientology really does work, and works well, it will be abused by those who do not wish others to improve conditions in their lives: and this is what you hear about on the news.
So, I say to you: if you want to understand and comprehend the biggest secret of Scientology - that fact that it can work and help improve your life - the only way is, simply, to do some. Get the book "Self Analysis", or one of the basic pamphlets on Study Technology, and use it. Just like any other tool, you will discover that it can be positive like no other experience, but just like any other tool if you misuse it, you may very well produce misery.
If you want to know what Scientology is do some Scientology, read some books about Scientology, forget about DM he is NOT Scientology he is a psychopath using Scientology for his own sinister purposes.
To study and learn Scientology costs you absolutely NOTHING. You can just get the materials, study them, and use it yourself. I myself have worked hard to ensure you can do that and that the materials are available for free to EVERYONE, so if you really want to understand the subject, get a book of Scientology, not about it. Your local library should have "Scientology 0-8: The book of basics" available to you, and it should cost you absolutely nothing to read this book, and others like it.
I am a very big believer that one should learn about something before they pass judgement on it, the definition of passing judgement on a thing before you know anything about it is PREJUDICE and nobody likes people who are prejudiced, who wants to associate with bigots and the like? In the case of Scientology there is just no excuse, many of us have worked very hard to get the books and information out of the hands of the COS and put it out there for free for anyone who wants to learn.
Being a Scientologist does not involve attending some church or adhering to some belief system; it simply means, applying Scientology, the material itself, and getting results. Nobody is asking you to don the cap and start a parade, after all.
Scientology is a subject, not a church. It is like Geology in that it has its own terminology, its own ideas and concepts which belong to the subject being discussed, and it has its own context.
Here's what you should know about Scientology, from someone who has studied it and went to some of the highest levels offered:
You will never learn the reasons for why a person decides to become a Scientologist, unless you actually do some Scientology. You see, Scientology - the subject, not the zeitgeist formulated on groupthink - is an applied religious philosophy, just like Buddhism is, which addresses the very nature of the human, spiritual, experience. Because it is an APPLIED RELIGIOUS PHILOSOPHY you actualy have to DO IT to understand it. You have to APPLY IT TO YOUR LIFE.
A Scientologist is someone who really does improve conditions in their lives - and others around them - by applying the materials and processes of the philosophy. If you are hurting people and they are in anguish over loss and separation from family: this is not true Scientology, but an altered form.This is what DM is all about, he ALTERED IT. There is a battle going on within the Church between those who would use the subject effectively and those who wish to destroy it from within.
But since Scientology really does work, and works well, it will be abused by those who do not wish others to improve conditions in their lives: and this is what you hear about on the news.
So, I say to you: if you want to understand and comprehend the biggest secret of Scientology - that fact that it can work and help improve your life - the only way is, simply, to do some. Get the book "Self Analysis", or one of the basic pamphlets on Study Technology, and use it. Just like any other tool, you will discover that it can be positive like no other experience, but just like any other tool if you misuse it, you may very well produce misery.
If you want to know what Scientology is do some Scientology, read some books about Scientology, forget about DM he is NOT Scientology he is a psychopath using Scientology for his own sinister purposes.
To study and learn Scientology costs you absolutely NOTHING. You can just get the materials, study them, and use it yourself. I myself have worked hard to ensure you can do that and that the materials are available for free to EVERYONE, so if you really want to understand the subject, get a book of Scientology, not about it. Your local library should have "Scientology 0-8: The book of basics" available to you, and it should cost you absolutely nothing to read this book, and others like it.
I am a very big believer that one should learn about something before they pass judgement on it, the definition of passing judgement on a thing before you know anything about it is PREJUDICE and nobody likes people who are prejudiced, who wants to associate with bigots and the like? In the case of Scientology there is just no excuse, many of us have worked very hard to get the books and information out of the hands of the COS and put it out there for free for anyone who wants to learn.
Being a Scientologist does not involve attending some church or adhering to some belief system; it simply means, applying Scientology, the material itself, and getting results. Nobody is asking you to don the cap and start a parade, after all.
Scientology is a subject, not a church. It is like Geology in that it has its own terminology, its own ideas and concepts which belong to the subject being discussed, and it has its own context.
Katie and TC released a joint statement:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20610394,00.html
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20610394,00.html
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“We are committed to working together as parents to accomplish what is in our daughter Suri’s best interests. We want to keep matters affecting our family private and express our respect for each others commitment to each of our respective beliefs and support each other’s roles as parents,”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...statement-on-impending-divorce/#ixzz2090XfR4W
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...statement-on-impending-divorce/#ixzz2090XfR4W
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looks like as long as TC continues to be reasonable, no dirt will be revealed. That's my take.
Mark Rathbun (ex scientologist) has really been predicting a lot of what is now happening with this divorce: http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/
Read the latest entry and the entry on July 4, 2012. Also, read this article quoting Rathbun when the news broke: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/tom_cruise_scientology_marty_rathbun.php
One thing he had wrong, though, Katie can't sign a "fake" custody agreement while the "real" one is hidden in a safe. Family law doesn't work that way.
I agree with his July 4th statement about what Katie really had to fear - basically, not seaorg. or anything, but alienation.
This guy really has the inside track. Fascinating.
Read the latest entry and the entry on July 4, 2012. Also, read this article quoting Rathbun when the news broke: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/tom_cruise_scientology_marty_rathbun.php
One thing he had wrong, though, Katie can't sign a "fake" custody agreement while the "real" one is hidden in a safe. Family law doesn't work that way.
I agree with his July 4th statement about what Katie really had to fear - basically, not seaorg. or anything, but alienation.
This guy really has the inside track. Fascinating.
Yup, she won't talk and she will get primary custody. He will get liberal visitation. I really hope, though, that she has something in those orders prohibiting involvement with scientology and Miscavige.
If not, the alienation will commence quickly.
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Katie's father outsmarted them all, he knew in NY they have OPEN COURT HEARINGS, in California the hearings are CLOSED, the last thing TC and DM want is anything going on in an open court, very very bad for them, they are likely going to settle because Katie or her father or someone was smart enough to file this in NY instead of California. Very good move.
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Given how this has progressed so far, I am betting there is very specific language regarding Suri's level of involvement with teh church of Scietology. Particularly since it has been reported that the church allegedly spent a good long while convincing Tom and Nicole's children that Nicole was a sociopath and alienating them from her post divorce.
Katie seems to have really sought great legal advice (thanks in no small part to her father I'll bet) and had a pretty comprehensive escape plan, which went off without a hitch. Odds are good that the alienation concern has been addressed in this settlement.
I must say, the way she has handled this situation has given me new found respect for her. I always sort of equated her with her Dawson's Creek character. Sweet, naive, mousy, timid. I admit, I now think I had her alllll wrong. katie is coming off in this mess as pretty darn savy.
I'm with ya'! I'm very impressed. I think having a child and just growing up has created a huge change in her. She's a tough cookie. I hope she has a happy life outside TC and scientology's influence!
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I just finished reading this whole article. I am astounded! Those tactics, and info gathering should not be legal! (Or shouldn't have been if they have been changed.)
If anyone is badgering you for money, this is a good article to know about. Opened my eyes. I thought you could only call a bank to see if another person's check would clear. Guess this is why used car sales people will not back off a price once they call or what have you for that credit check. O-M-G! Those poor families.
http://todayentertainment.today.msn...and-katie-holmes-reach-divorce-agreement?lite
Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes are officially no longer husband and wife. Less than two weeks after Holmes filed for divorce, the couple have settled on a divorce agreement, according to a statement issued by Jonathan W. Wolfe, an attorney for Holmes.
Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes are officially no longer husband and wife. Less than two weeks after Holmes filed for divorce, the couple have settled on a divorce agreement, according to a statement issued by Jonathan W. Wolfe, an attorney for Holmes.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-09-14-17-06
Mindel said the next step would be for Holmes or Cruise to file to have their status changed to divorced, but that the actual financial and child custody details won't get filed in court unless there's some later dispute.
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Mindel said the next step would be for Holmes or Cruise to file to have their status changed to divorced, but that the actual financial and child custody details won't get filed in court unless there's some later dispute.
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