Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes/Scientology - MERGED THREADS

[SieSie]

:sick:

I am so sick of these two that I wish L. Ron would come beam them up.




JMHO

:clap: :clap: I totally agree, yet here I am, reading about them! :doh:

I am really curious, also, if the rumor is true and Katie leaves the baby for the first week - who takes care of the baby? They don't just leave the baby in a crib for a week to fend for itself, I hope - or else couldn't CPS be called in?? Bizarre that anyone would think that bonding with your newborn would be traumatic, yet "abandoning" your newborn in its first days isn't traumatic. :slap: What a bunch of idiots.

 

[Marine Mom]

NEW YORK (AP) -- Tom Cruise has taken the impending birth of his first child with fiancee Katie Holmes to another level.

"We've been doing seminars with the family just to educate them," the 43-year-old star of the upcoming "Mission: Impossible III" film tells GQ magazine in its May issue, on newsstands April 25.

"Running seminars so we can understand what Kate's going through, and for Kate to understand it. Things like how to take care of a pregnant woman and get ready for the birth.

"It's just kind of becoming a fun game of learning. We've also been studying what happens after the birth and how to take care of the baby."

Cruise says his children, 11-year-old Connor and 13-year-old Isabella -- from his marriage to Nicole Kidman -- will help take care of the baby.

"The kids will have different responsibilities and run in shifts. They're going to help on every level," he tells the magazine.

Cruise and Holmes, 27, have been engaged since June. Her pregnancy was announced in October.

The couple haven't decided whether Holmes will give birth in a hospital. "At home, maybe," Cruise says. "We're really going back and forth on that one. But it's gonna be a blast."

And they are remaining silent about the sex of the baby.

"We haven't told anybody," says Cruise. "It's either gonna be a boy or a girl."

He joked that a sonogram machine he bought when Holmes got pregnant is "strapped to her 24 hours a day. Absolutely, anywhere she goes, we have it attached." (They plan to donate the machine to a hospital.)

More at link:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/17/people.cruise.holmes.ap/index.html

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

http://www.katieholmespictures.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=1010

Too strange-looks like she's wearing some sortof onesie or bodysuit...

Shannon

Migod, she *is* wearing a strap-on belly! Like the ones used in movies/sympathy training! :crazy:

And I notice that she doesn't have any of the typical *heavily pregnant* body postures, such as using her belly as an arm rest or putting her hans to the small of her back, or walking with a waddle. And, man ,what's with all the java in her condition?

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

Katie needs to stop being such a spineless piece of putty and have some say of her own. What a push over, is she blind and deaf to the fact that Tom needs deprogramming? You would have to tie me down to keep me from holding and loving my new baby.

Can she not spot that Tom Cruise is a control freak who is taking all choice away from her?

If she doesn't stand up to him now she most likely never will....I smell a nasty break up in the wind some day soon.

What is wrong with these Scientoloty people anyway? Why are there so many weak minded freaks in the world who need cults to tell them how to think? L Ron Hubbard was an idiot, he flunked most science classes he took in school, he knew how to manipulate people and take advantage of them. Hubbard's own son basically calls him a fraud and extortionist.

http://www.lermanet.com/cos/rondewolf.htm


http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/hubbard.htm

Tom Cruise is going to turn the kid into some sort of alien pod person freak based on the writings of a man who was a total fraud (and a wife beater to boot). So Sad for the baby.

I know people who knew Hubbard back when he was just a writer, before he invented Dianetics in the 1950s. The general consensus from them was that even though most recognized him as a B.S. artist, he had a lot of charisma and wasn't afraid to use it on those he recognized as weaker-willed than himself, though not necessarily less intelligent. Basically, he portrayed himself as the perosn these types wish they could be, but didn't have the guts/charm to try for: adventurous, bold, etc.

Two supposedly intelligent men he hoodwinked into supporting his psuedo-scientific claptrap and helping to spread it to the world via science ficton publications were John W. Campbell, an otherwise intelligent & discerning gentleman who was the editor of several sf magazines who also wrote the novella the movie THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD was based on and helped discover/prpmote the careers of Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, Arthur C. Clarke, etc. The other was writer A.E. Van Vogt, who wrote numerous sci-fi novels in the 1950s and was a member of MENSA. Campbell eventually renounced Hubbard, but Van Vogt remained a dedicated disciple until his death.

 

[SieSie]

From Marine Mom's link: http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/17/people.cruise.holmes.ap/index.html

Cruise says his children, 11-year-old Connor and 13-year-old Isabella -- from his marriage to Nicole Kidman -- will help take care of the baby.

"The kids will have different responsibilities and run in shifts. They're going to help on every level," he tells the magazine.

He makes it sound like his kids will be employees - "run in shifts" ?!?! :slap:

The couple haven't decided whether Holmes will give birth in a hospital. "At home, maybe," Cruise says. "We're really going back and forth on that one. But it's gonna be a blast."

I've never once heard childbirth described as being "a blast" - it sounds more like he's going to a party. :loser:

 

[englishleigh]

Cruise says his children, 11-year-old Connor and 13-year-old Isabella -- from his marriage to Nicole Kidman -- will help take care of the baby.

"The kids will have different responsibilities and run in shifts. They're going to help on every level," he tells the magazine.

Oh, great, so Connor and Isabella are going to be baby slaves? "Run in shifts"? No doubt they will want to help but it sounds like he is MAKING them
take care of the baby so he and Katie can sleep, or something.

 

[indallas2]

NEW YORK (AP) -- Tom Cruise has taken the impending birth of his first child with fiancee Katie Holmes to another level.

"We've been doing seminars with the family just to educate them," the 43-year-old star of the upcoming "Mission: Impossible III" film tells GQ magazine in its May issue, on newsstands April 25.

"Running seminars so we can understand what Kate's going through, and for Kate to understand it. Things like how to take care of a pregnant woman and get ready for the birth.

"It's just kind of becoming a fun game of learning. We've also been studying what happens after the birth and how to take care of the baby."

Cruise says his children, 11-year-old Connor and 13-year-old Isabella -- from his marriage to Nicole Kidman -- will help take care of the baby.

"The kids will have different responsibilities and run in shifts. They're going to help on every level," he tells the magazine.

Cruise and Holmes, 27, have been engaged since June. Her pregnancy was announced in October.

The couple haven't decided whether Holmes will give birth in a hospital. "At home, maybe," Cruise says. "We're really going back and forth on that one. But it's gonna be a blast."

And they are remaining silent about the sex of the baby.

"We haven't told anybody," says Cruise. "It's either gonna be a boy or a girl."

He joked that a sonogram machine he bought when Holmes got pregnant is "strapped to her 24 hours a day. Absolutely, anywhere she goes, we have it attached." (They plan to donate the machine to a hospital.)

More at link:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/17/people.cruise.holmes.ap/index.html

This is just so bizarre!!!

Why have his 13 and 11 year old children help with the new baby - can't TC afford to hire someone to help out with the newborn?????

 

[BrendaStar]

I am so sick of these two that I wish L. Ron would come beam them up.

I wish the mother ship would come down and get the two of them.

 

[claude daigle]

Hey, what's with all the coffee Katie is often drinking in photos? Caffeine is a stimulant. Doesn't that make it a psychoactive drug? Aren't psychoactive substances prohibited in Scientology?

 

[Hbgchick]

This is all just my own speculation, but after spending a little time on some "anti-psych" forums, it seemed to me as though the folks on those particular boards who were most opposed to psychiatry were people who had previously been diagnosed with and medicated for schizophrenia.

This got me thinking that Scientology might be especially appealing to people who suffer from mental illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. The reason would be that (from what I've read) those who suffer from these particular illnesses are more likely (on average) than people with other types of mental illness to reject or dislike their medications. With schizophrenia, I believe this is due to some very unpleasant side effects associated with the medications, and with bipolar patients I believe that it can result from the patient feeling too "dulled" or "flattened" by the medication. Again, I'm only suggesting that this applies to some % of those patients, not most or all of them.

I am definitely not trying to say that there is a 1-1 correlation there OR that the majority of folks with those illnesses reject medication or become Scientologists, but for those that DO, I would imagine that Scientology's claims about the dangers of psychiatric drugs, the conspiracy of psychiatry, and the "lie" of the chemical imbalance theory of mental illness are especially appealing.

IMO, and from what I've read online, L. Ron hubbard sounded like a classic unmedicated paranoid schizophrenic. Of course he hated doctors, had amazing personal visions of things that happened 70 million years ago, and thought the U.S. government (and thetans and alien warlords) were out to get him. I think I even read that, in the past, if you were lucky enough to reach level 8 in Scientology, you were told that L. Ron was actually the anti-christ. This same article said that the 'anti-christ' revelation proved to be too upsetting to members and so they eliminated it.

Please don't take my word for any of this, because I'm not stating it as fact...just IMO.

This makes absolutely the most sense yet. Thanks for the post (and for doing the research) Summersky!

 

[Hbgchick]

I thought at first that this was a beautiful picture. But to be honest, as I looked at it, the expression on Tom's face seemed more and more frightening. He looks angry, possessed and terrified of losing control. Katie, on the other hand, looks blissfully ignorant. Probably sums up the state of their relationship.

Just my opinion.

I thought the SAME THING!! If it were a "real" couple I'm sure the pic would be very nice, but he looks almost about to bite her neck like a vampire!

 

[Floh]

Perhaps Ms Holmes is wearing something like this?

empathy bellies:

http://www.empathybelly.org/

 

[lisag]

Perhaps Ms Holmes is wearing something like this?

empathy bellies:

http://www.empathybelly.org/

Hmmmmm, I dont know... but I do know I'd like to get my hubby one !!

 

[Floh]

Hmmmmm, I dont know... but I do know I'd like to get my hubby one !!

He'd thank you for that!

 

[lisag]

Oh, great, so Connor and Isabella are going to be baby slaves? "Run in shifts"? No doubt they will want to help but it sounds like he is MAKING them
take care of the baby so he and Katie can sleep, or something.

Exactly... I have a 14 yeard old daughter and two sons, 8 and 3.... The only one that will WANT to help when this baby is born is my 3 year old...

 

[deanws]

So, a clueless man made up this rule. All mothers in the animal kingdom instinctly cuddle and bond with their offspring immediately after birth. Common sense would say that this is when a helpless baby needs its mother the most...

If Katie has agreed to this condition, she is a bigger IDIOT than I ever imagined.

Yeah Nan, I am thinking the same thing. Any mother that would agree to this is a piss poor mother IMO.

 

[deanws]

I'm certainly not saying this newest rumor (apparently announced on the radio this morning) isn't true, but it really doesn't make much sense that either Tom or Katie would leak that kind of information to the public. He's out there doing damage control as fast as he can schedule interviews right now, so I can't imagine either of them would be leaking something as controversial as this to the media. And please don't think I'm standing up for either one of them, because I'm not. He's a full-fledged idiot and control freak, and she's an adult woman who put on track shoes as she ran 100 mph into his waiting arms. I just doubt the validity of this rumor.

I really hope it is not true.

 

[deanws]

I still think they are adopting. I think this whole thing is weird.

The moving belly button is also a sign that the whole thing is a fake. Looking at the pictures with her belly button about 7 inches to the right side of her body makes me want to laugh. He sure tried to get those pictures off the net....for SOME reason...lol.
:laugh:

 

[deanws]

When I had my last baby (#5) I was determined to do it without drugs. I had practiced all these calming mantras to chant during my labor...well, everytime I had a contraction no matter what my MIND told me to say, all that came out of my mouth was "OH SH$T OH SH$T OH SH$T". Between contractions I would apologize profusely but as soon as the next contraction hit I started saying it again! The nurse even commented this baby would think her name was "OH SH$T"! The midwife kept telling me, "You say what EVER word helps you honey!"

She was delivered quickly (fortunately) and weighed 9 lbs 9 oz. There was NO way I could have been quiet during that!

Shannon

OUCH! No kidding!
:silenced:

 

[michelle]

Look at Tom in this picture... there's something really creepy looking about his face. Now, I'm not saying I would look all that great if the papparazzi were snapping pix of me every time I blinked, but there is just something about his face in that picture that gives me the creeps. These two just seem to be getting stranger and stranger as the months go by.

http://www.katieholmespictures.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1010&=27

Katie looks like Steven Tyler from areosmith in this pic!