Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes/Scientology - MERGED THREADS

[michelle]

Too funny that Brooke Shields had her baby today too.................

Didnt brooke sheilds announce she was pregnant awhile after katie said she was? And if so, how did brooke and katie have theirs the same day? mmmmm, :waitasec: ...I wonder...

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

Could you mean William Mapother? Isn't he the cousin?

Yeah, same guy.
I get him confused with a guy I used to work with named Tom Wopater all the time.

 

[azwriter]

I just heard on a radio talk show that Tom Cruise has announced he wants to eat his child's placenta!
That was announced as a teaser before the newsbreak. I'll have to wait to hear the rest.
I suppose he can if it's a home birth. But, it seems to me in a hospital the placenta is checked by the lab to make sure it was all expelled. In some nationalities, the placenta is buried under some special type of tree.
Who knows, with Cruise, who claims he can cure an addict in three days, anything is possible.

 

[SadieJane]

The Cruise baby is a girl named Suri, which I have never heard before. Apparently it's Persian and Hebrew. Cross your fingers that Katie doesn't suffer from PPD.

 

[Lauren]

Suri weighs 7lbs 7 oz. 20 inches long..........
Wasn't it suppose to be a boy?:waitasec:

 

[Tristan]

Does anyone know if the name is pronounced "Suri" as in "Sir-ee"
or "Suri" as in "Sore-ee"??

Just curious, as I've never heard of this name before.

 

[Jean]

I am just glad that somehow a baby has arrived! :dance: My gosh, that seemed like the longest pregnancy I have ever followed--including my own!!

 

[HeartofTexas]

I am just so totally shocked that they picked the name Suri over my personal fave, TomKitten.

 

[Floh]

This is weird - i feel such a sense of anticlimax, somehow. maybe because we can no longer point and stare at one of the strangest 'pregnancies' on record? :waitasec:

 

[englishleigh]

Suri weighs 7lbs 7 oz. 20 inches long..........
Wasn't it suppose to be a boy?:waitasec:

That's what I thought? Wasn't it supposed to be named Ronald Mapother Cruise after L. Ron Hubbard?

 

[HeartofTexas]

I read somewhere the other day that she was spotted shopping for baby girl clothes, so who knows. I notice there are absolutely zero details on where the baby was born (home or the hospital), if she needed pain meds, etc. I wonder if the baby was really born today, or if today is just the day they announced it. So much about this has been so strange that it wouldn't surprise me if it continued to be strange.

 

[HeartofTexas]

Look at some of the really weird things the son of founder L. Ron Hubbard has to say about his father and Scientology (from a 1983 interview with him):

Hubbard: Scientology is a power-and-money-and-intelligence-gathering game. To use common, everyday English, Scientology says that you and I and everybody else willed ourselves into being hundreds of trillions of years ago --just by deciding to be. We willed ourselves into being ourselves. Through wild space games, interaction, fights, and wars in the grand science-fiction tradition, we created this universe --all the matter, energy, space, and time of this universe. And so through these trillions of years, we have become the effect of our own cause and we now find ourselves trapped in bodies. So the idea of Scientology “auditing” or ‘counseling” or “processing” is to free yourself from your body and to return you to the original godlike state or, in Scientology jargon, an operating Thetan --O.T. We are all fallen gods, according to Scientology, and the goal is to be returned to that state.

Penthouse: Did he write the book [talking about "Dianetics"] off the top of his head? Did he do any real research?

Hubbard: No research at all.

Penthouse: Did your father do this just for money?

Hubbard: Yes. The more he made, the more he wanted. He became greedy. He was really just interested in the use of money and power, wherever it was or whosoever’s it was. Morality and politics made no difference to him at all.

Penthouse: Where did all this money come from? How much did it cost to be audited, in Scientology parlance?

Hubbard: It cost as much as a person had. He had to stay in the organization, getting audited higher and higher, until he paid us as much as he had. People would sell their house, their car, convert their stocks and securities into cash, and turn it all over to Scientology.

Penthouse: What did you promise them for this price?

Hubbard: We promised them the moon and then demonstrated a way to get there. They would sell their soul for that. We were telling someone that they could have the power of a god --that’s what we were telling them.

Penthouse: What kind of people were tempted by this promise?

Hubbard: A whole range of people. People who wanted to raise their IQ, to feel better, to solve their problems. You also got people who wished to lord it over other people in the use of power. Remember, it’s a power game, a matter of climbing a pyramidal hierarchy to the top, and it’s who you can step on to get more power that counts. It appeals a great deal to neurotics. And to people who are greedy. It appeals a great deal to Americans, I think, because they tend to believe in instant everything, from instant coffee to instant nirvana. By just saying a few magic words or by doing a few assignments, one can become a god. People believe this. You see, Scientology doesn’t really address the soul; it addresses the ego. What happens in Scientology is that a person’s ego gets pumped up by this science-fiction fantasy helium into universe-sized proportions. And this is very appealing. It is especially appealing to the intelligentsia of this country, who are made to feel that they are the most highly intelligent people, when in actual fact, from an emotional standpoint, they are completely stupid. Fine professors, doctors, scientists, people involved in the arts and sciences, would fall into Scientology like you wouldn’t believe. It appealed to their intellectual level and buttressed their emotional weaknesses. You show me a professor and I revert back to the fifties: I just kick him in the head, eat him for breakfast.

Well, this must be where the little guy's pumped up version of himself came from, complete with the helium he's floating around in. If you stop and think about it, it's really really scary to think that this is what he believes in. And that this is what Katie has allowed herself, and now her baby, to get mixed up in.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien269.html

 

[Floh]

I marvel at how scientologists can ignore such damning information about the chaleton they follow.

this cult is extreme.

 

[kato]

Yeah, same guy.
I get him confused with a guy I used to work with named Tom Wopater all the time.

Now, that's a creepy looking dude. Moreso than his freako cousin, TC. He was on the TV show "Lost" for awhile.

 

[kato]

I've searched back a few pages, but couldn't find a mention of this. Dr Rosenfeld appears every Sunday Morning on Fox News and I always make a point of listening. This past Sunday he did a piece on Cruise/Katie and the silent birth. I found a link that will play the video of the segment after an ad is run.

He said that babies in the last three months hear body sounds, music, voices, etc. and do not have silence then. So, given that, is this sudden silence going to be harmful in the long run, as well as the separation?

http://www.foxnews.com/live/index.html

click on Tom and Katie's so called silent birth plans.

I like Dr. Rosenfeld.

 

[Floh]

Can Cruise turn his image round?

Here's what the BBC think:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4922238.stm

 

[HeartofTexas]

It seems to me that the more Tom goes on TV and shoots himself in the foot publicly, the more negative information the press drag out re Scientology. I know, for me, the stuff I've read about Scientology in the last few weeks is enough to make my jaw drop to the floor. And the more the public reads about this cult, it seems the more his popularity should fall.

OTOH, I've read posts in the past few weeks about people who detest Tom but will still go see his movies. I, for one, can't do that because to me it seems like I'm helping pay for his outlandish fees for each movie if I go see them. Personally, I was never particularly a fan of his. I have, however, seen him in a few good roles... Rainman, for instance. However, as long as the public continues to support his movies, he'll continue to say and do whatever he pleases, and will continue to make untold millions off of each movie he makes. I would love to see him fade into obscurity, but I'm afraid it's not going to happen.

 

[Hbgchick]

I'll be curious to see how MI3 does. If everyone who can't stand Cruise boycotts it, it will show at the box office. I just hope people do.

 

[HeartofTexas]

I'm with you, Hbgchick. The only way to get thru to these goons is thru box office approval and/or ratings. If his popularity at the box office doesn't change, then he won't change. Actually, it just feeds into his already powerful ego that he can say and do anything and won't be held accountable.

 

[HeartofTexas]

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Updated: 2006-04-21 17:23[/font]

Less people tuned into to watch an intimate interview with Tom Cruise - then a chat with former child star Macaulay Culkin. Just seven million people tuned in see the 'Mission Impossible 3' star - whose fiancee Katie Holmes has just given birth to the couple's first child - open his heart to Diane Sawyer on US TV network, ABC, last Friday (14.03.06).

I hope his ratings continue to plummet.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/entertainment/2006-04/21/content_573867.htm