Tommy Croslin claims mistreatment in Putman Jail per Att

[pittsburghgirl]

Nobody made Tommy Croslin tell his grandmother he knew what had happened to Haleigh and then implicate Cousin Joe (and by extension, reveal that he was present and knew what happened). He may well have been LYING about some of that, but no one was interrogating him.

There are many people in prison who have falsely confessed. Maybe Tommy is one of them. But there are also many who were guilty and confessed, at least in part, to what they saw, what they did, and what others did as well. I still think the big problem is that Tommy is now more or less clean and sober and he is starting to think clearly enough to know that he will be in prison for until his kids are out of high school and beyond. He will miss every Christmas, birthday, and 4th of July. The reality is sinking in.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

LE doesn't need to charge Tommy or Misty because they are already in jail for another crime (drug trafficking). So LE can afford to wait while they build a case.

If you have ever seen an interrogation or someone teach interrogation techniques, they are DESIGNED to scare the suspect. Very few criminals volunteer information about their crimes.

 

[Maryann123]

The way I see it is that LE was trying to tell TC what was coming down. They were not threatening but probably telling the truth. He has alreadys stated he had kge of what happened. If they found anything in that water (like the cinderblocks) he is big trouble.

Nothing wrong with a warning. Cinderblocks at a dock are unusual (at least to me). I have never seen a reason for anyone to dock a boat at a boat ramp. You tie the boat to the pier and exit or enter. I also would find it odd that anyone would tie a body to the pier, you would take it further along the bank or out in deep water.

I feel LE's frustration.

For 6 months of the year, I live on a lake. Every morning, I have fishermen that pull up beside our pier and fish. (they like the area around our boathouse tracks) They drop their anchor and fish. They usually only stay for a few minutes till they move on to the next pier. My house sits about 75 feet from the water. I have no problem seeing their anchors, (or their faces) and I've seen a lot of things being used. Some mornings I see turtle traps floating all over the place. They use plastic milk containers, and the hooks are tied to them with rope. I've seen shoe strings, ski rope, twine and all kinds of rope being used. Rope and cinder blocks around lakes, are not unusual. People use all kinds of stuff on their shorelines if they have an erosion problem. It's called rip rap, and it can be rock of any kind. Some have walls that are made of cinder blocks, and you can see quite a few of them that have started to crumble, with pieces lying around. After a big storm in the mountains, we have all kinds of trash that washes up. Most of the stuff is really trash, but sometimes we get real presents! We got a water trampoline once, and my neighbor still has a floater (it goes at the end of a pier) that you dock your boat in. I'm not surprised to see anything in the lake.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Years ago it was called Jug Fishing back east where I grew up. I've seen plenty of milk jugs floating in the rivers. It's against the law or was back then. Milk jug tied to a cinder block with hook and bait attached.

Also, someone here mentioned how some boaters use the blocks for anchors.

http://www.jugfishing.net/

 

[azwriter]

The only reason for a person to put himself or herself at the scene of a crime is because the person was there and there is likely to be evidence that proves it. We know Misty was at the mobile home--unless she was lying and left the kids unattended or took them somewhere. We know Tommy was there. They both claim Cousin Joe was there. All either Tommy or Misty had to do if they wanted a story about Ron out there was to call a news conference and tell the truth or give sworn statements that don't contradict the physical evidence.

I'm not sure where anybody gets the idea that LE isn't listening to what these people have to say. The trouble is not listening--it's believing people who lie repeatedly. It's hard to believe Tommy and Misty when they fail the polygraphs they are given. That's also the problem with these allegations about how Tommy is being treated. If he wants people to believe him, then he can aid in the process by telling the truth, starting with what he knows about Haleigh's disappearance.

I don't know why anyone thinks the LE involved is this case is corrupt, as I don't live in the area. Seems to me they have Misty and Tommy behinds bars as well as RC on the drug charges. There's clearly no lack of will to arrest any of these people as they are already in jail and on their way to prison if they take a plea bargain or are found guilty on the drug charges, as is likely given the video evidence. The only reason I can think of that LE isn't buying what Tommy and Misty are selling is that what they say doesn't match up with forensics, cell pings, and other objective evidence. I give LE high marks for staying on the case, not letting it go cold.

Great post Pitts.
I've visited jail but never served time, but I have a feeling jail isn't a nice place no matter what the crime. Tommy's got to live with his lies and do his time for the drug charges.
I too am not doubting LE's handling of this case. jmo

 

[Maven2379]

I really don't know what to think of this latest news. One part of me wants to say I don't give a hell-o about Tommy and his rights, he has put himself in this position by lying, placing himself at the scene, and not coming forward since the beginning. The other part kinda thinks there may be something to his claims. I don't think there is anything wrong with LE lying to a suspect and telling him/her whatever they need to in order to get a confession. I'd just like the confession to be the truth, and at this point, I'm not sure it would be. :banghead:

I want justice for Haleigh, but not if someone innocent is charged. I don't think Tommy is completely innocent. I think that he at least has some knowledge of the events on Feb 9, 2009.......

Then I think why would he not tell the truth, if he knew who did it, but was innocent himself?

Maybe LE doesn't want to listen to him when he speaks of the events of that night? ..... so what!!!! The media would be all over him giving a public statement regarding those events, and how LE does not/will not listen, but now he is known as nothing more than a liar, so who would believe him anyway??? Tommy has claimed LE wanted him to say JO did it, but he was not going to go along. While I can't believe a word Tommy says, the events of the case seem to suggest that there may be some truth to that statement. This case leaves many "I wonder" moments. :crazy:


Either way LE must have the interview on tape, the tape will prove whether there is anything to Tommy's claims. The only thing I know for sure is Haleigh is still missing.

Like I said I don't know what to think, but I do think mistakes were made early on in this case, and I wonder if they are still being made?????

I hope and pray that Haleigh gets the justice she deserves, and that her family has answers soon.

 

[dodie20]

Nobody made Tommy Croslin tell his grandmother he knew what had happened to Haleigh and then implicate Cousin Joe (and by extension, reveal that he was present and knew what happened). He may well have been LYING about some of that, but no one was interrogating him.

There are many people in prison who have falsely confessed. Maybe Tommy is one of them. But there are also many who were guilty and confessed, at least in part, to what they saw, what they did, and what others did as well. I still think the big problem is that Tommy is now more or less clean and sober and he is starting to think clearly enough to know that he will be in prison for until his kids are out of high school and beyond. He will miss every Christmas, birthday, and 4th of July. The reality is sinking in.

You are exactly right. I heard enough to know that nobody forced Tommy to tell the Joe story & I heard enough to know that nobody forced him to back away from that story. & now according to his lawyer, he's back on it. Now, Joe may be guilty, but the question is... why does Tommy have the most, in the middle of the action, story of them all? & the only reason I can see him putting himself at the scenes, is because he knows there is incriminating evidence against him, & he's trying to explain it away.

 

[Dion]

LE is obviously not getting what they want, when they "interview" Tommy. They should try keep things really simple, by asking him a question that he should know the answer to.

Such as what did the rat in the mailbox signify - what was it exactly that RC wanted him to keep quiet about? That could lead in another direction.

 

[dodie20]

One of the things that I've noticed about this LE, is that a story will come out, they'll say it has nothing to do with Haleigh-& then lo & behold, it will. or a rumor is started, they'll quash it-& then lo & behold, there was some truth there afterall. If they did threaten Tommy with a murder charge, they knew he'd run & tell his lawyer, so...I'm thinking they're ok with that. I think LE might very well, charge Tommy. & I think they're gonna want to keep him, right where he is. Watching the Kyron Horman news has me wondering something. If the dad did take the baby & leave his wife, based on LE advice, (as has been reported), I wonder if someone advised Lindsey to do the same.

 

[Maryann123]

Years ago it was called Jug Fishing back east where I grew up. I've seen plenty of milk jugs floating in the rivers. It's against the law or was back then. Milk jug tied to a cinder block with hook and bait attached.

Also, someone here mentioned how some boaters use the blocks for anchors.

http://www.jugfishing.net/

If it isn't against the law, it should be. I've seen those jugs being drug all over the lake by the hooked fish, and this goes on until the next morning when they are collected. Seems cruel to me. The cinder blocks with the holes in them are used for anchors in the small fishing boats.

 

[Snowbunny]

I've been thinking about this complaint of Tommy's. Werter stated sometime ago that he DID NOT REPRESENT TOMMY CROSLIN for the Haleigh Cummings case. He only represented him on the drug charges.

soooooooooo Tommy is/was not represented by an attorney for the Haleigh Case and the questioning was about Haleigh not the drug case... what was wrong with that?

What would be wrong would be if he requested an attorney and they denied him the right to council. Personally, I don't care if they rattle him, but if he requested an attorney to be present then he has that right and they don't have the right to deny him that nor do they have the right to put him in harms way. I originally thought that LE had just made some comment to him in passing which they are known to do from time to time, but to deny him council when requested is breaking the law. He has the right to have an attorney present when being questioned and as we all have that right. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Tommy's by any means, and he and Misty have cost these taxpayers thousands of dollars because of their lies but Ronald and his family have lied also and obstructed justice by not cooperating with LE in the very beginning. They should all have to pay restitution for what they've done, but if LE has violated anyone's civil rights then they need to be held accountable also. At this point for HaLeigh's sake I feel they need to bring in a new set of eyes to investigate the HaLeigh situation period. Too much of this case has been tanted because of all parties involved and HaLeigh deserves better than this. I for one never thought I would see LE turn their backs on inoccent people until today. My daughter's boyfriend proceeded to beat the hell out of her this morning in the presents of my grandson and she called LE but and then the jerk proceeded to destroy her property in their presents and they did nothing to stop it. A complain will be filed come Tuesday. All my daughter wanted to do was move out and get away from this guy and LE did nothing to prevent him from hurting her and destroying property. My family has family members that are LE and I cannot tell you how peeved they are at this very moment for what took place here this morning. Do I believe its possible LE could pull crap? The answer is yes and I saw it first hand today.

 

[Whisperer]

The only time an attorney HAS to be there is if you want one and you are charged with the crime. To my kge, he has not been charged with anything regarding Haleigh. My understanding is that LE can bring you in for questioning about a crime. Of course, if you don't want to talk, that is your right.

It sounds to me like LE did all the talking and TC didn't like what he heard.

 

[Whisperer]

fftopic:

Sorry about your daughter's problem, Snowbunny. I hope she is ok. What a jerk!

 

[dodie20]

Dodie, I don't think we should confuse "formality" with our 5th amendment rights.

his lawyer not knowing he was transferred, wasn't a violation of Tommy's rights. & like I said...how could Werter not have known? I even knew.

 

[dodie20]

What would be wrong would be if he requested an attorney and they denied him the right to council. Personally, I don't care if they rattle him, but if he requested an attorney to be present then he has that right and they don't have the right to deny him that nor do they have the right to put him in harms way. I originally thought that LE had just made some comment to him in passing which they are known to do from time to time, but to deny him council when requested is breaking the law. He has the right to have an attorney present when being questioned and as we all have that right. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Tommy's by any means, and he and Misty have cost these taxpayers thousands of dollars because of their lies but Ronald and his family have lied also and obstructed justice by not cooperating with LE in the very beginning. They should all have to pay restitution for what they've done, but if LE has violated anyone's civil rights then they need to be held accountable also. At this point for HaLeigh's sake I feel they need to bring in a new set of eyes to investigate the HaLeigh situation period. Too much of this case has been tanted because of all parties involved and HaLeigh deserves better than this. I for one never thought I would see LE turn their backs on inoccent people until today. My daughter's boyfriend proceeded to beat the hell out of her this morning in the presents of my grandson and she called LE but and then the jerk proceeded to destroy her property in their presents and they did nothing to stop it. A complain will be filed come Tuesday. All my daughter wanted to do was move out and get away from this guy and LE did nothing to prevent him from hurting her and destroying property. My family has family members that are LE and I cannot tell you how peeved they are at this very moment for what took place here this morning. Do I believe its possible LE could pull crap? The answer is yes and I saw it first hand today.

my daughter's bf beat the crud out her, & since she defended herself, she went to jail too, for 2 days, on family violence. He was so out of control, county strapped him into a restraint chair for 3 hours...but my daughter wasn't supposed to fight back? That was in Oct., & her charges were finally dropped 2 weeks ago. So, yes I know how poorly cops gauge situations, & to tell you the truth, I don't care for most cops, but some do try to be fair, & I hope that's the case with Haleigh.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Did anyone find out what it means on Tommy's court docket?

07/02/2010 42 PROHIBITION REQUEST FOR EXPEDITED HEARING

I searched that a bunch. Can't find it, but did shorten it to prohibition request as different things applied to it. I got this.

Definitions of writ of prohibition on the Web:

a judicial writ from a higher court ordering a lower court not to exercise jurisdiction in a particular case

wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


A writ of prohibition, in the United States, is an official legal document drafted and issued by a supreme court or superior court to a judge presiding over a suit in an inferior court. ...
en.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Writ_of_prohibition

I liked it. Don't know how it would exactly apply, if at all, can only guess and have a few, but it's interesting as all get out to me!

 

[Dr. Know?]

Oh, when I started my previous post, no one was here, I edited a bunch. xo

 

[Whisperer]

I think he is doing a writ of Prohibition to stop the LE from harassing Tommy Croslin. It appears it is a formal request to a higher court to stop something and I think it is the complaint about the LE interviewing TC. It must be the term they use when they want something stopped. He wants a hearing on this incident and make sure they never do it again.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Wow, I am quite shocked that most people are actually believing this about LE. Think about WHERE Werter got this information....Ummm...the outright "honest" Tommy Croslin???

Great to 'see' you, badme!

I absolutely agree with every word of your post! I personally do not believe a word of the allegations.

For Tommy and any of the rest of them....................:boohoo:

 

[twall]

Did anyone find out what it means on Tommy's court docket?

07/02/2010 42 PROHIBITION REQUEST FOR EXPEDITED HEARING

I searched that a bunch. Can't find it, but did shorten it to prohibition request as different things applied to it. I got this.

Definitions of writ of prohibition on the Web:

a judicial writ from a higher court ordering a lower court not to exercise jurisdiction in a particular case

wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


A writ of prohibition, in the United States, is an official legal document drafted and issued by a supreme court or superior court to a judge presiding over a suit in an inferior court. ...
en.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Writ_of_prohibition

I liked it. Don't know how it would exactly apply, if at all, can only guess and have a few, but it's interesting as all get out to me!

Read the motion Werter submitted to the court the order of prohibition he is seeking from the judge on behalf of his client states LE cannot have any contact with his client without submitting a request to Werter in writing and he has to approve it before they can have any contact with Tommy.

Prohibit means to stop or cease action, Werter is trying to stop LE from having any contact with his client, Tommy, without his permission.

The judge will either say yea or nay to Werter's requests at the hearing on 7/16 and those named in the motion accused of wrongdoings are allowed to be present at the hearing to present their side.

Here is the a link to the motion, it is #7.

http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/070110_croslin.pdf

I hope I explained it ok.

Also, on the court docket the 42 means it is the 42nd entry being made so all lines with that number in front of it go together.
It should read:

42 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 07/16/2010 AT 2:30 PM

42 DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SHOW CAUSE AND ORDER OF

42 PROHIBITION REQUEST FOR EXPEDITED HEARING