Tommy's activities in Feb. 2009

[Maven2379]

Most excellent, I twitter, perhaps someone wouldn't mind sharing this information because I was told, for this specific incidence, there wasn't a officers report available. Perhaps we can get to the bottom of this once and for all. That would be great.

Sorry, I don't think we are allowed to share the actual tweet here, and she has protected tweets anyway. I have no reason not to believe that this is the truth.

If you call the court house, I'm sure they'll tell you the same, it is filed under the name of the responding officer (R Clarke) ...... not by date.

 

[Maryann123]

FLE1: Lima 1118. 10:8( in service). 10:51(in route). Back.
MLE1: I’m back en route now to that signal 8. Where is that located at in Satsuma?
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
MLES: Are you back at the uh, house?
FLE2: 10:4. I’m back on Green Lane.
MLES: When ya’ll make contact with uh, Deputy Tenner, advise him that it’s going to be east of the Hermit Cover Marine, in these canals, back on south/southwest of the railroad track.



I'm not so sure that this isn't just "cop talk." Seems like the word "back" is used a lot and not necessarily to mean "return."

 

[Maryann123]

MLE1: I’m back en route now to that signal 8. Where is that located at in Satsuma?

This is a perfect example of my point. If he is indeed returning to a place he has already been.......why is he asking where it's located in "Satsuma?

 

[Maven2379]

I think it is important to note here that the dog complaint could have been at any time during the weekend before. Animal Control as I can verify from listening to the scanner, does not come out on weekends except for emergencies. They are on call and generally what I hear is the LEO responds and asks that a note be left for animal control on the next business day. You would not believe how many animal complaints PC gets on a daily basis. We hear them constantly on the scanner every single day. So, the dog complaint could have been filed at any time over the previous weekend or on Monday. I have also heard complaints on the scanner that it sometimes takes several days for animal control to react especially if they don't find the people home on their first visit.

A dog will bark to warn of dangers. Especially if the dog senses danger of a familiar member. I'm sure the dog knew Haleigh, and God knows whether the dog was trying to warn of what was going on the night of the 9th. That is a real possibility. But, without the actual report detailing the reason for the complaint and the date and time of the event IMO it is impossible to know.

Many of us on the scanner thread have rewound and rewound and rewound that 911 tape. First of all it is not complete IMO. Secondly, some of us are not convinced that LEO went to 116 Tyler at any point until after they had responded to Green. We believe that if you push the transcripts aside, none of which were prepared by LE, and listen carefully, it is very difficult to say with absolute certainty that LEO went to Tyler until after they, (LE), had been located at Green for a while. I'm not saying I'm correct and others are wrong. I'm suggesting if you listen to the 911 call yourself particularly that portion when the officer states she is on Tyler, you might question if there is a misconception that LE went to Tyler at any point on the night of the 9th, until after the 911 call.

MPO is that this is a misconception that LEO went to Tyler at any point before going to Green. But with a relative living that close, it absolutely makes perfect sense that once they began searching for Haleigh, that they would visit the home of her uncle , which was right down the street. MOO

IA I don't think LE was at Tyler until they made contact with Ron and Misty, and found out that there was family who lived nearby ... perhaps Haleigh had wandered off to their house.

 

[LFlorida]

FLE1: Lima 1118. 10:8( in service). 10:51(in route). Back.
MLE1: I’m back en route now to that signal 8. Where is that located at in Satsuma?
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
MLES: Are you back at the uh, house?
FLE2: 10:4. I’m back on Green Lane.
MLES: When ya’ll make contact with uh, Deputy Tenner, advise him that it’s going to be east of the Hermit Cover Marine, in these canals, back on south/southwest of the railroad track.

I'm not so sure that this isn't just "cop talk." Seems like the word "back" is used a lot and not necessarily to mean "return."

It is used a lot. Kind of like when you're on the phone and tell somebody to, "Hold on a second." And then you say, "OK, I'm back."

But to say "I'm back at or on or to a (specific location)," would indicate you have returned to the location. [vs. back on-call, on-standby, on-duty which would be like getting back to the person you left on hold.]

Does that make a bit of sense? Sorry, I'm not a good "explainer" sometimes.

As far as FLE1 and FLE2 - IHNI how many different LEOs are on that audio. Quite a few from what I was looking at earlier:

1118
1120
1173
1231
1256
1271
1319

+1K22 [City PPD K9 officer]

 

[TxLady2]

I guess what I was trying to say earlier is we didn't hear everything that went on. 1256 was the first officer to respond to 202 Green. She may have reported back by phone instead. I still think she went to 116 Tyler to follow up with a quick search--maybe another officer arrived at Green in the meantime. When the operator specifically asks for 1256, she responds from Tyler after finishing up there and returns to Green. Later in the transmission the Lt. says 1256 is in charge which makes sense if she was the first to arrive. All JMO, and I guess a moot point anyway.

The highest ranking officer would be put in charge... not necessarily the first to respond. In this case, I think just about every officer on duty that night probably responded sooner or later. A missing child is generally pretty high priority.

We were told months ago that there was no police report from Tyler on record for that night/morning. But I wonder if a person called in about a barking dog, and it was handed over to animal control... then there might not have ever been a police report.. the actual report might be in animal control's files... not PCSO's. Just a thought.

 

[grandmaj]

OK I've taken all of the other officers out except where important. The officer that went to 116 Tyler was Poppa 1256 female Leo.

After Poppa 1271, Sgt. 1120 and Lima 1118 are notified, Dispatch calls the female Poppa 1256.

Dispatcher 1256
1256(answers) Can you run a cross street?
Dispatcher- Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler, left on Monroe Avenue it’s going to be in Satsuma 10-4
1256- There is a RR track that runs right through there can we find out when the next train comes through?
D. It just passed through.
1256 -10-4

1271 0r 1256 (10-19) report in to me? 1271 says 77. Meaning OK.

Dispatch asks S1120 when he 10-97(arrives) to give an update
He states they are 77 they just called me on the Nextel they haven’t located yet but they are 77.
D 10-4

1256 something about the child I’ll be calling in for you.
1256 I’ll be “relocating” to 116 Tyler.
Dispatacher says 116 Tyler?
1120 What is going on , at 116?
1256 10-8 from this location I’m back 10-97 on green


OK first of all there are large pieces of time that are missing. It appears that in the speed of light 1256 went to Tyler and then returned and never answered her SGT. Important vital information.

Lots of other information about them signing off 10-97 when they arrived. About any information they had, to be relayed back. Who they are meeting with. The second or third call when Ronald hung up on the dispatcher. KWIM? We are hearing none of that. This is by far not a total representation of that 911 CALL it is chopped up.

Important to note. 1271 and 1256 are together according to the Sgt. when they call him. It was after that when 1256 says "RELOCATING" to 116 Tylor.

She never answers her Sgt. when he asks her why she is going there? NOPE not going to happen. A big void.

A second later she is back to Green? NOPE. This is a very redacted tape.

My opinion is that 1256 was with 1271 on Green and according to her transmission "Relocated" to 116 Tyler.

She also asked the Dispatcher to provide her with the Cross Street in the initial transmission to her. In other words she was en-route and wanted directions.

MOO I want you to know I'm crazy with the lack of information we have received. It is frustrating and in pieces and so difficult to discern. This 911 tape a real example. I agree with you Elle about the headache. :banghead: ME too.

 

[Kimster]

Gran, that was really sweet of you to take the time to share with everyone! Thank you!

 

[suspicious1]

I too thought that there was an officer at Tyler before the initial 911 call. I just connected it to the screaming being heard coming from near the mh on Green Ln that night around 2-2:30a. Lt Greenwood said that the first call related to this Haleigh case came in at 2:13. So I assumed that this was the first call at 2:13a. Now we hear about the dogs barking on Tyler that same night and an officer going to this residence. That's why I figure there was indeed an officer over on Tyler prior to the 911 call. We were all confused about Lt Greenwood making that statement but maybe this is what he was referring to. Maybe that particular complaint came in at 2:13a. So it would be safe to assume this is also part of the case.

I just had a thought. What if someone had the dog/s with them on Green Ln, 1 and a half hours prior to the 911 call? What I'm tryin' to say is, what if there was a commotion on Green Ln, and that caused the dogs to be so rowdy? I know there was a complaint but what if the dog/s were on Green Ln at the time of the complaint? Maybe the person reporting this knew who the dog belonged to and that info led LE to tyler?

So we got screams heard about 2-2:30a. We've got the first call related to the case coming in at 2:13 per Lt Greenwood. We got Tommy being cited:waitasec: that same night for barking dog. Added up and what do you have?

Sounds like a commotion/fight to me that involved someone over on Tyler.

 

[Emeralgem]

I too thought that there was an officer at Tyler before the initial 911 call. I just connected it to the screaming being heard coming from near the mh on Green Ln that night around 2-2:30a. Lt Greenwood said that the first call related to this Haleigh case came in at 2:13. So I assumed that this was the first call at 2:13a. Now we hear about the dogs barking on Tyler that same night and an officer going to this residence. That's why I figure there was indeed an officer over on Tyler prior to the 911 call. We were all confused about Lt Greenwood making that statement but maybe this is what he was referring to. Maybe that particular complaint came in at 2:13a. So it would be safe to assume this is also part of the case.

I just had a thought. What if someone had the dog/s with them on Green Ln, 1 and a half hours prior to the 911 call? What I'm tryin' to say is, what if there was a commotion on Green Ln, and that caused the dogs to be so rowdy? I know there was a complaint but what if the dog/s were on Green Ln at the time of the complaint? Maybe the person reporting this knew who the dog belonged to and that info led LE to tyler?

So we got screams heard about 2-2:30a. We've got the first call related to the case coming in at 2:13 per Lt Greenwood. We got Tommy being cited:waitasec: that same night for barking dog. Added up and what do you have?

Sounds like a commotion/fight to me that involved someone over on Tyler.

And we have a loud vehicle coming in at around 1:30 in the am stopping close to the dumpster and leaving around 20 minutes later...JMO

 

[elle1919]

OK I've taken all of the other officers out except where important. The officer that went to 116 Tyler was Poppa 1256 female Leo.

After Poppa 1271, Sgt. 1120 and Lima 1118 are notified, Dispatch calls the female Poppa 1256.

Dispatcher 1256
1256(answers) Can you run a cross street?
Dispatcher- Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler, left on Monroe Avenue it’s going to be in Satsuma 10-4
1256- There is a RR track that runs right through there can we find out when the next train comes through?
D. It just passed through.
1256 -10-4

1271 0r 1256 (10-19) report in to me? 1271 says 77. Meaning OK.

Dispatch asks S1120 when he 10-97(arrives) to give an update
He states they are 77 they just called me on the Nextel they haven’t located yet but they are 77.
D 10-4

1256 something about the child I’ll be calling in for you.
1256 I’ll be “relocating” to 116 Tyler.
Dispatacher says 116 Tyler?
1120 What is going on , at 116?
1256 10-8 from this location I’m back 10-97 on green


OK first of all there are large pieces of time that are missing. It appears that in the speed of light 1256 went to Tyler and then returned and never answered her SGT. Important vital information.

Lots of other information about them signing off 10-97 when they arrived. About any information they had, to be relayed back. Who they are meeting with. The second or third call when Ronald hung up on the dispatcher. KWIM? We are hearing none of that. This is by far not a total representation of that 911 CALL it is chopped up.

Important to note. 1271 and 1256 are together according to the Sgt. when they call him. It was after that when 1256 says "RELOCATING" to 116 Tylor.

She never answers her Sgt. when he asks her why she is going there? NOPE not going to happen. A big void.

A second later she is back to Green? NOPE. This is a very redacted tape.

My opinion is that 1256 was with 1271 on Green and according to her transmission "Relocated" to 116 Tyler.

She also asked the Dispatcher to provide her with the Cross Street in the initial transmission to her. In other words she was en-route and wanted directions.

MOO I want you to know I'm crazy with the lack of information we have received. It is frustrating and in pieces and so difficult to discern. This 911 tape a real example. I agree with you Elle about the headache. :banghead: ME too.

I couldn't simply thank your post, I have been trying to figure out if there is something missing from those transmissions for months. I had a feeling that you would be able to make heads or tales of it, using what little you have to work with. I know you are very busy and I do thank you for going over it.

Now, why would certain transmissions be missing or redacted, that is the million dollar question. Regardless of the "who" that are involved, or those that might have knowledge about what happened near these two streets that night, I believe something happened. I have a feeling it is all related in some way. I can only imagine how the neighbors over there must feel. I used to think, how can a child just disappear and no-one see or hear or know anything. I believe there are those that heard some things but don't know if what they heard is related to Haleigh. But, I have faith that LE does know, and they have way more pieces than us. I am just going to keep on looking and praying because I want the truth more than ever.

 

[txsvicki]

The dog could have been barking for several hours. Just because the call was later doesn't mean the dog hadn't been upset for quite awhile. One thing that stands out to me is that the dog was not complained about frequently with it's barking, so it must have seen something, smelled Tommy in the area, or heard Haleigh in distress. If the neighbor who complained was not suspicious of fighting or other things going on, but only the dog barking, then that means someone may have been sneaking around in the vicinity doing something.

 

[doobiedoo52]

The dog could have been barking for several hours. Just because the call was later doesn't mean the dog hadn't been upset for quite awhile. One thing that stands out to me is that the dog was not complained about frequently with it's barking, so it must have seen something, smelled Tommy in the area, or heard Haleigh in distress. If the neighbor who complained was not suspicious of fighting or other things going on, but only the dog barking, then that means someone may have been sneaking around in the vicinity doing something.

Technically, I don't think we know when the dog was barking or became a disturbance. For all we know it could be Tuesday evening. All we know is it was sometime on Feb. 10th. I would imagine there was lots of activity going on all day in that area--searches, cops, people just snooping around.

 

[grandmaj]

I couldn't simply thank your post, I have been trying to figure out if there is something missing from those transmissions for months. I had a feeling that you would be able to make heads or tales of it, using what little you have to work with. I know you are very busy and I do thank you for going over it.

Now, why would certain transmissions be missing or redacted, that is the million dollar question. Regardless of the "who" that are involved, or those that might have knowledge about what happened near these two streets that night, I believe something happened. I have a feeling it is all related in some way. I can only imagine how the neighbors over there must feel. I used to think, how can a child just disappear and no-one see or hear or know anything. I believe there are those that heard some things but don't know if what they heard is related to Haleigh. But, I have faith that LE does know, and they have way more pieces than us. I am just going to keep on looking and praying because I want the truth more than ever.

Elle you are very welcome. My opinion is that LEO got two different stories right from the start. The question is "who" told LEO that Haleigh was last seen in her home 1 to 1.5 hours earlier. To me that is the million dollar question. And I pray so hard that the truth comes out soon. There are so many of us that have taken this child to heart.

 

[txsvicki]

Technically, I don't think we know when the dog was barking or became a disturbance. For all we know it could be Tuesday evening. All we know is it was sometime on Feb. 10th. I would imagine there was lots of activity going on all day in that area--searches, cops, people just snooping around.

I thought the cop was there about the dog that early a.m. around the time Haleigh was reported missing. Cops wouldn't go investigate and possibly wake people in the middle of the night if the dog wasn't barking when they showed up or reported hours before. Tommy was out and about earlier, so he could have taken care of his dog if it was barking when he left the trailer to go over to Ron's and I hope they kept it in while all the searching was going on. Maybe I'm being critical, but I don't see the sense of having a pit bull if it's barking doesn't cause a person to go out and see what's going on and try to quieten it or bring it in the house, unless no one was home for hours.

 

[ilovemew]

Don't forget GrandmaJ's post about the animal complaints. The caller could have called this in anytime during that weekend. LE does not respond to those calls during the weekend. Hold up and I will add her post to my post:

ETA: okay couldn't figure out how to do that but I bumped it below

 

[ilovemew]

I think it is important to note here that the dog complaint could have been at any time during the weekend before. Animal Control as I can verify from listening to the scanner, does not come out on weekends except for emergencies. They are on call and generally what I hear is the LEO responds and asks that a note be left for animal control on the next business day. You would not believe how many animal complaints PC gets on a daily basis. We hear them constantly on the scanner every single day. So, the dog complaint could have been filed at any time over the previous weekend or on Monday. I have also heard complaints on the scanner that it sometimes takes several days for animal control to react especially if they don't find the people home on their first visit.

A dog will bark to warn of dangers. Especially if the dog senses danger of a familiar member. I'm sure the dog knew Haleigh, and God knows whether the dog was trying to warn of what was going on the night of the 9th. That is a real possibility. But, without the actual report detailing the reason for the complaint and the date and time of the event IMO it is impossible to know.

Many of us on the scanner thread have rewound and rewound and rewound that 911 tape. First of all it is not complete IMO. Secondly, some of us are not convinced that LEO went to 116 Tyler at any point until after they had responded to Green. We believe that if you push the transcripts aside, none of which were prepared by LE, and listen carefully, it is very difficult to say with absolute certainty that LEO went to Tyler until after they, (LE), had been located at Green for a while. I'm not saying I'm correct and others are wrong. I'm suggesting if you listen to the 911 call yourself particularly that portion when the officer states she is on Tyler, you might question if there is a misconception that LE went to Tyler at any point on the night of the 9th, until after the 911 call.

MPO is that this is a misconception that LEO went to Tyler at any point before going to Green. But with a relative living that close, it absolutely makes perfect sense that once they began searching for Haleigh, that they would visit the home of her uncle , which was right down the street. MOO

BBM bumping for everyone

Grandmaj, thank you so much for explaining that those calls were not complete but just bits and pieces. :blowkiss:

 

[Scorpian]

OK I've taken all of the other officers out except where important. The officer that went to 116 Tyler was Poppa 1256 female Leo.

After Poppa 1271, Sgt. 1120 and Lima 1118 are notified, Dispatch calls the female Poppa 1256.

Dispatcher 1256
1256(answers) Can you run a cross street?
Dispatcher- Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler, left on Monroe Avenue it’s going to be in Satsuma 10-4
1256- There is a RR track that runs right through there can we find out when the next train comes through?
D. It just passed through.1256 -10-4

1271 0r 1256 (10-19) report in to me? 1271 says 77. Meaning OK.

Dispatch asks S1120 when he 10-97(arrives) to give an update
He states they are 77 they just called me on the Nextel they haven’t located yet but they are 77.
D 10-4

1256 something about the child I’ll be calling in for you.
1256 I’ll be “relocating” to 116 Tyler.
Dispatacher says 116 Tyler?
1120 What is going on , at 116?
1256 10-8 from this location I’m back 10-97 on green


OK first of all there are large pieces of time that are missing. It appears that in the speed of light 1256 went to Tyler and then returned and never answered her SGT. Important vital information.

Lots of other information about them signing off 10-97 when they arrived. About any information they had, to be relayed back. Who they are meeting with. The second or third call when Ronald hung up on the dispatcher. KWIM? We are hearing none of that. This is by far not a total representation of that 911 CALL it is chopped up.

Important to note. 1271 and 1256 are together according to the Sgt. when they call him. It was after that when 1256 says "RELOCATING" to 116 Tylor.

She never answers her Sgt. when he asks her why she is going there? NOPE not going to happen. A big void.

A second later she is back to Green? NOPE. This is a very redacted tape.

My opinion is that 1256 was with 1271 on Green and according to her transmission "Relocated" to 116 Tyler.

She also asked the Dispatcher to provide her with the Cross Street in the initial transmission to her. In other words she was en-route and wanted directions.

MOO I want you to know I'm crazy with the lack of information we have received. It is frustrating and in pieces and so difficult to discern. This 911 tape a real example. I agree with you Elle about the headache. :banghead: ME too.

BBM - I haven't read up on what you all are talking about but the last few posts have my interest in high gear..

Suppose 1256 was at Tyler, then the commotion happens of Green..1256 wants to know when the NEXT train is coming, perhaps she realizes one just passed and needs to know when the "next" one is coming. I know there is a timeline of the trains schedule, just didn't check it...Why would she need to know that while at Tyler? That has interested me.

I know they would need to know so they would not be cut off and to ensure the "abducter" would not get out if still in the area....But she had to have known that a train just went pass and needed to know when the next one would pass....Time line is important..did they assume that fast that HC had been abducted even though she said on a transmit the girl had been seen 1 to 1 1/2 hrs ago or whatever time was used.

 

[Busylady]

I was asked to share info I received from records regarding the 2/10/09 call at 116 Tyler - I spoke to Gloria at records on March 1st after much searching she located incident report 09-1334, which was found under officer name vs address or date - which is why originally it was indicated there was no incident report when records department was contacted earlier.

Officer Clarke was dispatched at 11:00 am on 2/10/09 to 116 Tyler. I have ordered the one page incident report which she said would take a couple weeks after they received my self addressed stamped envelope.

 

[debs]

No one should be surprised that LE was at 116 Tyler at 11 a.m. on Feb. 10. What I want to know is why they were there at 3:30 a.m. or so when the 911 call came from 202 Green Lane.

Was it just to check to see if Haleigh wandered down the road 100 yards in the dark of night?

Was it because they were there for a dog barking and coincidentally oh by the way, a child living down the street 100 yards who is in the care of the sister of the residents at 116 Tyler was just reported missing?

It's not going to solve anything, I guess. But like every other little detail that isn't cleared up, adds too much speculation to this child's disappearance.