Top Dog: Il Police Chief "prosecute Drew"

[KOOL LOOK]

:blushing:

Asphixiation means a lack of oxygen. That can be caused by strangulation, smothering or drowning. Because it is a technical term it wouldn't be uncommon for a forensic pathologist to use that term in a general way to indicate any of the above.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/asphyxia

http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?asphyxia

This is how I took it to mean, but wasn't prepared to get into saying it so scientifically as you have, thanks. I came to this conclusion after hearing it put this way, which caused me to visualize it mentally and then I could agree with what I had just heard reported and found myself saying, Ah Hmmm, now I can understand what their trying to say. After reading this post, it also jogged my memory for me, which is how it was put when I heard it. Thanks again, I wasn't able to express myself.

Here's a link or two of Baden/Greta interviews

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312208,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312330,00.html

I don't know if those will help or not

I am going off to read them now, I'm sure they'll help, also mysteryview's post helped jog my memory as I had took it to mean when I actually heard the explanations. Thanks. I will read.

I believe it was homicide by drowning. I never heard anything about asphyxia. Is there a link to where asphyxiation was mentioned so we can be clear on that? Want to make sure we are all getting the right info.

I'm off to read links chico provided, also scroll up and see mysteryviews post, it better explains how I had actually heard it, once my memory was jogged. It does make sense, at least to me :blushing: I was better able to see mentally how this could happen and unfold during the actual murder of Kathy. There would have to be a lot of physical force being used against Kathy to beat her, move her and stage the scene. The injuries on her hand, wrist and elbow cause me to believe this happened during dragging or lifting and throwing her towards the bathroom and tub area.

I'm still trying to figure out the head gash, what was used. The other injuries came from possible kicking her, abdomen injuries, scrapes and redness, from struggling. Can't figure out what caused the head gash? I need to go read, but I believe I heard too there was a bruise on the cheek?

 

[i.b.nora]

From the links ChicoLiving provided:

"VAN SUSTEREN: I assume you looked to see whether there was any indication whether she'd been strangled.

BADEN: No indication of strangulation.

VAN SUSTEREN: Positive about that?

BADEN: Yes."

and

BADEN: No, I was more convinced because one of the reasons to do a second autopsy is to make sure that a mistake wasn't made in the first autopsy. It's amazing how often we can read autopsy reports and then we look at the body, there are differences.

In this instance, I think Dr. Mitchell (ph) did the autopsy, did a fine autopsy. The findings are not a problem. And I was able to reconfirm that there was no other competing cause of death, that the death was drowning, the lungs were present. So I think this further confirms my impression after reading the autopsy that it should not have been listed as an accident but should have been called a homicide back in 2004 and should have been further investigated at that time just on the basis of the autopsy findings, let alone all the other information that the police had about the spousal abuse and orders of protection and threats of violence to her."

 

[mysteriew]

I guess what I am trying to say is that both terms would be correct. The drowning, the water prevents proper exchange of oxygen and oxygen is needed to be sent to the brain. The act of depriving the brain of oxygen is asphyxiation. Drowning is a more specific term, and asphyxiation is a more general term that covers other things that can deprive the brain of oxygen such as strangulation and smothering as well as drowning.

 

[DeltaDawn]

Bolingbrook Police Chief Raymond McGury says he filed a written complaint with the Fire and Police board on Nov. 14 seeking disciplinary action against Drew Peterson.

McGury says, over the past year, there were more severe internal issues at hand. He would only say there were violations of departmental rules and that he would be talking with the Will County State's attorney about possible criminal charges.

http://www.wbbm780.com/Bolingbrook-Cop-Chief-Sought-To-Discipline-Peterso/1237403

Also, the police chief says he is getting death threats.

This then tells us Drew was a dirty cop who after all these years in the dept still couldn't follow the rules of conduct for officers.
No surprise there.

So between these police dept infractions, Kathleens death and now Stay's missing presumed dead I do think one of these, if not all will stick and Drew will be spending quite sometime in jail.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

This then tells us Drew was a dirty cop who after all these years in the dept still couldn't follow the rules of conduct for officers.
No surprise there.

So between these police dept infractions, Kathleens death and now Stay's missing presumed dead I do think one of these, if not all will stick and Drew will be spending quite sometime in jail.

I've been thinking about it, concerning Drew and a prosecution. I think we will see first charges brought up against him for the murder of Kathy Savio, I think it will be tried and prosecuted, then charges of Stacey will follow suit, unless her body is recovered within a year.

I wonder what rules and violations he broke? Could be very telling. It must be bad considering how the chief is pushing it, and how he has described it. severe departmental violations. Wonder if any police brutality is included.

 

[chicoliving]

Behind closed doors, McGury talked about serious internal violations by Peterson over the last year. They do not include anything involving the death or disappearance of Peterson's wives. He was suspended in September for serious lack of judgment involving a police pursuit. The chief says it is a pursuit that never should have happened and taht he felt an internal investigation might have been serious enough to bring Peterson's termination.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=5777049

"Throughout the course of this investigation, certain issues have been developed and raised that concern me enough to bring this forward to the board of police and fire commission to see his termination," McGury said.

He wouldn't say exactly what the violations Peterson is accused of are, but he did say they came to light as a result of the state's ongoing investigation into the disappearance of Peterson's wife, Stacy Peterson. Peterson has been named a suspect in her disappearance.

McGury also said the incidents occurred over the past 12 months and were "severe internal violations of general orders."

http://cbs2chicago.com/westsuburbanbureau/drew.peterson.mother.2.591663.html


I cut down his remarks to this:

In the last 12 months severe internal violations of general orders came to light during the investigation of Stacy's disappearance.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

The link Chico provided states the chief says, " the mis-conduct could rise to the level of criminal conduct." Hmmmm, that's pretty serious. This is very interesting, considering this all happened in September, a month before Stacey went missing.

This is circumstantial, but I wonder if Stacey knew something about this pursuit that should never have happened. This could just lead an honest person with common sense to think this was a lot of pressure for Peterson. We previously didn't know the heat was on him prior to Stacey missing.

It's all coming undone, Drew needs to confess, get his publicity seeking attorney to represent him and spin his defense, he's sooo busted in my eyes.

He's sooooooo cocky though, I doubt a confession is in the making, he doesn't appear to have the type of personality. Maybe with some in the department being so angry at him, especially since their receiving death threats, they will look real hard for Stacey. Leave no stone unturned. That could make a difference.

 

[BarnGoddess]

I would offer this:

She was beaten senseless, maybe to the point of unconsciousness, then put or fell into the tub. She may have then drowned. Perhaps she was getting ready for a bath when the murderer came in. Do we know exactly how she was dressed?

 

[cricket]

I would think that there are some rule violations that could also be charged criminally, and not just disciplined internally. I don't know what the laws are in Illinois, but it may be against the law to tape someone's telephone conversations without their knowledge and consent. Having someone arrested on bogus charges could also be criminal. I think they may have found out about things he was doing to stalk his wife and her friends and relatives that could be illegal, regardless of the fact that he was a police officer.

 

[chicoliving]

~snip~

The police department launched the internal affairs investigation of Peterson sometime after the fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, was reported missing, and before he was suspended without pay Nov. 9, said Lt. Ken Teppel.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/660364,4_1_JO21_PETERSON_S1.article

ooo much more at link

 

[SuziQ]

I guess what I am trying to say is that both terms would be correct. The drowning, the water prevents proper exchange of oxygen and oxygen is needed to be sent to the brain. The act of depriving the brain of oxygen is asphyxiation. Drowning is a more specific term, and asphyxiation is a more general term that covers other things that can deprive the brain of oxygen such as strangulation and smothering as well as drowning.

And thanks for reminding me of this! In my mind I was thinking of asphyxia as in strangulation and smothering or compression. I totally get what Kool look was trying to say now. Sorry Kool look. :blowkiss:

 

[Mysticchic]

think police batton

 

[SuziQ]

I would offer this:

She was beaten senseless, maybe to the point of unconsciousness, then put or fell into the tub. She may have then drowned. Perhaps she was getting ready for a bath when the murderer came in. Do we know exactly how she was dressed?

She was naked.

 

[STEADFAST]

She was naked.

Also, she had long hair, but did not have it tied or pinned up. Others have stated she always put it up before a bath. And anyone with long hair already knows it would be gross to take a bath with your hair hanging down into it.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Also, she had long hair, but did not have it tied or pinned up. Others have stated she always put it up before a bath. And anyone with long hair already knows it would be gross to take a bath with your hair hanging down into it.

Agreed, unless you were planning on washing it in the tub, which I do in my patio tub.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

think police baton

I have been thinking this for awhile after they described the bruises as being oval in shape. It would fit. Besides, he would have it handy not to mention know how to use it effectively.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

She was naked.

We know it is how she was found, but was she naked during the beating and subsequent drowning?

 

[DeltaDawn]

SS, I'm not sure anyone other then Drew can answer that question for you. If she was clothed he obviously got rid of the clothes...which wouldn't have been hard at that time since no one really looked into her death to any degree and everyone seemed to believe the story Drew told..except her family. He was bold enogh I can even see him taking the clothes, washing them and drying them in her house and then placing them back where they belonged. He had atleast the whole weekend to accomplish cleaning up the scene, which he must have done other then the tub. As a cop he would know what to take care of and what to leave as it was.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

SS, I'm not sure anyone other then Drew can answer that question for you. If she was clothed he obviously got rid of the clothes...which wouldn't have been hard at that time since no one really looked into her death to any degree and everyone seemed to believe the story Drew told..except her family. He was bold enogh I can even see him taking the clothes, washing them and drying them in her house and then placing them back where they belonged. He had atleast the whole weekend to accomplish cleaning up the scene, which he must have done other then the tub. As a cop he would know what to take care of and what to leave as it was.

You know Delta, it has always struck me strange. Why would he clean up anything as he didn't live there, he had his own home with Stacy.

I would think he would have left that up to her direct Savio family members as their two sons would be living with him.

 

[DeltaDawn]

Yes, I thought that was not the way things normally go in these situations. But according to Steve there was Drew cleaning up the bathroom as soon as LE had gotten what they needed. Usually I would think that would be left for the immediate family..her family to take care of..so why did Drew feel the need to do some housekeeping at the scene of his ex wife's death? That's probably the only time he cleaned a tub in his whole married life.