Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[LambChop]

Sorta OT...

I'm happy to have found this place to discuss/debate and sharpen not only myself but hopefully sharpen others. I wanted to mention that true communication involves voice inflection/tone, facial as well as hand & body language. I've read some posts were people (myself included) were offended regarding the victims family moving on and I'd like to say I went back and reread those and I honestly think they are coming from the heart in order to help the family. Some are more articulate than others, some of us have never been even remotely close to this kind of situation and we make make an ill worded post all be it with the best of intentions. I would like those of you who have gone through this horrible experience to help educate me as what to/not say to/about a bereaving (sp) family member. Innocently with a soft voice I can see myself saying the anger isn't help you physically. Explain to me as a victims advocate what/why that may not be the appropriate thing or maybe even it's just the timing of when to say it.

Asked with utmost respect and sincerity!

I watched the video of TA's sister and her husband when they were married in 2010. She is a very beautiful woman and from the video it appears she has moved on. We have many members here who have suffered through the same thing TA's family is going through right now. When the trial comes up they will all tell you the same thing. They can't eat, sleeping is difficult, etc. because they are reliving the event. It's part of the process they have to go through that is different than what is typical when a family member just dies from a disease or accident. It takes enormous strength to sit there day after day and I must say our hearts go out to them.

This is one reason why I say there is no proof they had sex other than from what Jodi has said and from friends who may have talked to TA about it. It appears he tried to distance himself from her and keep it on a friendship only basis because she was in the PPL business. I could see him doing that until he had had enough. Unless all these allegations are proven this constant speculation he was having wild sex with her only hurts the family because they already know the truth.

Another thing that bothers me. Why was Jodi going to TA's roommate and discussing personal information that may not have been true? Seems to me Jodi liked to start trouble. If she felt conflicted about how TA felt about her why didn't she go to their bishop. That is what he is there for. Instead she whines to his friends who tries to council her when they should have sent her to someone who had experience handling these types of situations. Sounds like the roommate who clued Lisa in got their info from Jodi and chances are she lied just to make sure Lisa would no longer come around on those social nights. jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Another issue is GPs playing the role of psychologist or psychiatrist. Some (not all) doctors will make a diagnosis all on their own, and prescribe medications instead of referring the person to a specialist in that field like they would with any other dysfunction outside of their scope of practice. It sometimes feels like psychology isn't taken as seriously as it should be.

IMO psychiatry is expensive and insurance companies would much rather pay a GP

I find it intolerable when children without benefit of a meaningful psychological work up are prescribed medications IMO willy nilly.


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[lil_buddy]

I would be most interested in what exactly the test was. I would think some cursory standardized test. Which would show no mental illness. Nothing more. Nothing less. CA is not mentally ill. Not in the Legal sense.

I'll refer you back to this post.
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The standardized test is MMPI-2.

If you google "casey anthony psychological evaluation" you will find many articles and the actual depositions of the doctors.

Here is a quote from http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...ased-doc-says-she-was-surprisingly-cheerful/:

Danziger said that during the initial evaluation, "I did not find any evidence of an active mental illness. It was my opinion that she was competent to proceed and that an MMPI [a common tool used for psychological evaluation] I did was entirely normal, which was somewhat surprising."

 

[m00c0w]

That's another HUGE red flag that she's a psychopath. Psychopaths often fool even psychiatrists.


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Do you have a source or citation for this, as you didn't claim this was your opinion?

 

[Sleuth13]

She has no soul...just a deep void inside her.:moo:

Yep. A 3 void wonder...

 

[LaneGirl]

From the court minutes since this was asked awhile back...

Juror # 96 is present with a family friend / interpreter. The juror informs the Court she
has a difficult time understanding some English words.
Counsel approach the bench and discussion is held.
IT IS ORDERED excusing juror # 96.

 

[Justme84]

If she didn't want to eat prison food, she shouldn't have murdered Travis.

honestly she probably eats better than a lot people. The economy is tanking and Jodi is getting thousands for prison food, not to mention her prize for the singing competition. :furious:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Look at the way she's rubbing her neck obsessively starting around 47:30. It just really creeped me out. Then the deadpan "Oh, I didn't." As she breaks character for a few brief seconds.

http://youtu.be/2Hku9ls9VUs

That wasn't breaking character, that was acting. She wants him to figure out she's scared of the ninjas and taking the fall to protect her family. She thinks she's manipulating him by forcing him to slowly elicit that story from her.

Please watch it again, with what I said and tell me what you think


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[lil_buddy]

That's another HUGE red flag that she's a psychopath. Psychopaths often fool even psychiatrists.

To me this indicates the failure of psychology not the cleverness of psychopaths. Psychology is not a well developed science and its findings should not be used in court rooms since they are not based on objective fact.

You don't need to be a psychopath to fool a shrink, but why would you bother in the absence of a motive?

 

[Justme84]

From the court minutes since this was asked awhile back...

Juror # 96 is present with a family friend / interpreter. The juror informs the Court she
has a difficult time understanding some English words.
Counsel approach the bench and discussion is held.
IT IS ORDERED excusing juror # 96.

hmmm so how many alternates do they have now?

 

[LambChop]

So, it's Travis's fault and he had a gun and knife with him in the shower?

I'm glad this jury, no matter the difference in age etc; are taking this serious and asking common sense questions.
I wonder if any of the men dated someone and stopped dating, and that person would not go away, even if they called her names and hurt her feelings?

Okay. I was not going to say this but here it goes. My husband was a police detective and very attractive. He did draw attention from women, he knew it but would just laugh it off. He was a good husband, devoted father and I know he was faithful for many reasons. However he had attended school with a woman who had some mental problems. Judged weird by classmates, my husband was always nice to her. Years later when he had his own business as an investigator she showed up at his office with some personal issues. He tried his best to resolve the issue and told her there was no fee. She did not give up and continued to try and set up appointments with him which his secretary declined. I asked him why didn't he tell her off and he replied that she was sick and he could not hurt her feelings.

He would not see her for years and then suddenly she'd be back asking for more favors. She called family members and told them they had planned to get married after high school. Not true as my husband had been engaged to someone else at the time. It just went on and on.....like my post. How did it end? She showed up at his funeral and I took care of it right there. She stormed out and none of his family heard from her again. Being nice to someone should never end up with that person disrupting your life but it often does. I have a feeling if he had said to her what I said to her he would never have heard from her again. jmo

 

[nursebeeme]

Just thinking about the defense opening statements -- Wilmott actually said Jodi had a choice to make in a moment-- kill Travis or be killed. I mean, she really said that Travis would have killed Jodi if she had not killed him when she did.

I give this jury credit -- if you look at their questions from the beginning, you can tell that they really did have an open mind and were not deciding her guilt even based on all the evidence the prosecution was presenting. They were waiting to hear what the defense had to say. With a parade of defense witnesses testifying only about minor relationship squabbles -- now they really want to know, where's the evidence that Travis was ever abusive.

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and only Jodi herself testifying will give them any reasons why a naked, seated on the shower floor Travis, was trying to kill Jodi who had a camera in her hand at the time as well as within reach a knife and a gun.

self defense... pffft.

minor4th, do you think they will have to put her on the stand? Because none of these other witnesses are showing their "kill or be killed poor abused Jodi theory"?

 

[Bravo]

without starting the debate between personality disorders and sociopaths, the charm and all of that associated with both often prevents the signs from being obvious. Most of the time people who have these issues wont seek help themselves ( they do not see what they are doing as wrong) and have the wool pulled so far over other peoples eyes that family and friends do not believe things are wrong either. Most of the time this stuff isnt discovered until there is a crime associated with or someone who has fallen victim to them tries to seek help thinking they are the ones with the problem.

I totally agree with you. I think some folks confuse. They are good at what they do. My only experience at work was with Sex offenders. It was beyond whack how they would twist and turn. Some were clearly Socio. Oh i see you did your hair today different must be for me we are on a date. You like me and you want me. I dreamt about you. Of course sexual it was to challenge me. I saw you at the mall with your 4 year old Son. He is cute and I'm gonna tell you what i would do with him if i got my hands on him. Remain Professional I did because i had to. I wont disclose what i muttered and thats when i knew I had to transfer out.

 

[Sleuth13]

Yes, I DO want Katie to write a book and I want to read it BEFORE I see the movie, and I DO want to watch Rob Lowe (or, Russell Crowe) playing Katie's brother!

Super Idea! \m/

Thanks! Btw, great name/avitar!! Hehe

 

[Justme84]

To me this indicates the failure of psychology not the cleverness of psychopaths. Psychology is not a well developed science and its findings should not be used in court rooms since they are not based on subjective fact.

You don't need to be a psychopath to fool a shrink, but why would you bother in the absence of a motive?

Someone posted a video about the strangler who faked Dissociative personality disorder. He fooled 3/4 of the psychologists he encountered. One later came out as believing he was lieing because the DR had started working in a prison and he basically said that prison is a place so conducive to lieing its nonsensical to come out of it without being suspicious.

 

[jevipo74]

honestly she probably eats better than a lot people. The economy is tanking and Jodi is getting thousands for prison food, not to mention her prize for the singing competition. :furious:

As far as I'm concerned, she can eat what my dogs leave in the backyard.

 

[KM2]

I thought most people on here had decided that it was not his penis? I myself did not do the analysis. :floorlaugh:. As you said, even if the penis was his. SO?

The media loves it because it makes the story more interesting but I do not think that they are stating that hes not guilty because of it. Truthfully I think the only people more eager to dirty up Travis Alexander than Jodi's defense is the media. Not because they want her to walk but they want viewers at any cost.

JustMe84... what you said above is partly what I was saying in my earlier post. And if it means the media suspends the WTFs and OMGs to entertain "wait a minute, Travis was cheating... maybe it was self-defense to drive 1,000 miles and stab him 27 times, etc" it sells more advertising, but is really repulsive. I get that everyone deserves a fair trial, and the defense has their role. But I think Casey Anthony's and Baez's level of fantasy/speculation has opened doors before unopened... and the Media has discovered that the CA outcome and Defense styled "Bigfoot took my baby"... is a great business model.

 

[jevipo74]

hmmm so how many alternates do they have now?

They stated yesterday on IS they haven't decided on alternates yet.

 

[Linda7NJ]

From the court minutes:

The State presented evidence that the victim was first shot on the right side of his head near his eye with a .25 caliber handgun and that the bullet lodged in his left cheek. This wound was not fatal and may or may not have rendered the victim unconscious. The victim did not remain unconscious based on the infliction of the other wounds and the location of blood spatter evidence in the bathroom sink and blood in the hallway. In addition, the defendant told the police that the victim was unconscious after being shot but then crawled around and was stabbed.

That was by the detective..... Judge ruled no harm no foul as he isn't the medical examiner. Iirc


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[ILikeToBendPages]

I recall that JA spoke about a virus on Travis's computer. She was aware of it.

I wonder if it was Jodi's drive, could it give Travis's computer a virus?