Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[Justme84]

i noticed they have been relisting items - so i think ppl are doing that to jodi's items too

The self portrait she made has a warning that says

**UPDATE: Due to the large amount to bids, and the publicity of this artwork, I will not accept bids from users who have a feedback number less then 35, unless you contact me first and assure me that you are an honest bidder who intends on paying if you end up being the winning bidder. ~~~ Thank you

 

[MandyLeigh]

I've only watched two televised trials in my life-- Casey Anthony's and this one. Since I never want to be blindsided again by a jury's verdict, I've done my best to experience this trial largely from a juror's point of view.

If I were a juror, what I'd be wondering right now is why on earth I am being subjected to so much talk of raunchy sex, and plainly speaking, to so many irrelevant and piddly tales of adolescent realtionships.

If I'm a woman, does the defense really want me to free Jodi because the victim cheated on her, didn't throw her naked body out of his bed when she crept there without being invited? Because he … whoa, getting serious now…called her names? Am I supposed to rally to her side out of righteous indignation, based on my gender, because the slaughtered very young male in this case seems to have occasionally acted--worst possible scenario-- like a cad?

And if I am a man? Wow. I'm feeling like I'm on trial here too. Seemingly it will be my fault if a woman I sleep with decides to kill me because I like sex more than I like her. I'm thinking about emails or phone calls I've received calling me a jerk because I didn’t listen well enough or respect her feelings enough. I see my wife my girlfriend standing in front of me accusing me of the same offenses. I'm positive I don' think I deserve death for these sins- every last male I've ever spoken to has heard the same list of complaints, repeatedly.

I'm waiting to be told how it is that Jodi is a victim, and why it is that her alleged
victimization should matter more than what she irrefutably did do to Travis. I'm from conservative Arizona, and I believe in personal responsibility. Far as I can see, Jodi at the very least was a willing sexual partner. I'm wondering at times if she wasn't in fact the sexual aggressor. Travis was clearly looking for a virgin to be committed to, and he obviously didn't like himself for having sex with Jodi.

She joined a church knowing that premarital sex was off limits, and yet was engaging in it the whole while and she knew how central the church was to Travis. Seems to me that if she had any consideration much less love for Travis, she would never have agreed to have sex, much less to have initiated it. If she had any self-respect or true newly found religious conviction she would have refused sex as well.


I'm getting more P'O'd by the day that these are the things the defense is asking me to analyze, while the facts of the Travis' death go unaddressed.

I'm not sure if Jodi stole the gun from her grandparents. The prosecutor did not prove that to me beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm also not sure that the gas cans Jodi picked up from her ex-boyfriend were meant to hide her time spent in AZ. I think that is likely, but I'm not going to convict her of 1st degree murder based on that.

I've resolved that for myself there is one and only question that the defense had better answer for me if they don't want me to convict their client, and that is this:

You say that Jodi killed Travis in self-defense, AFTER he attacked her in the shower- verbally, since there wasn't a single mark on her afterwards, other than perhaps on a few fingers (and even THAT I don’t know, since Burns never actually saw any wounds).

If it was self-defense, how did Jodi have the time to go run and get both a gun and a knife-whomever they belonged to? Why did she get both? Am I to believe that Travis kept a gun and a knife in his bathroom? How is that Jodi managed to fend off Travis to reach a knife and gun-even, completedly implausibly those laying about near the bathroom sink, when Travis- was so much taller and stronger than Jodi, and in your version, mad enough with rage enough to want to kill her? And yet he leaves no mark on her while his own hands are sliced to the bone?


Really?


I think the defense better pray that we the jury don’t find her guilty of first degree murder. If we do, I am going to punish her as well for putting Travis's loved ones through the hell of having his name smeared nationally, and for playing the victim again while doing her utmost to hurt Travis one last time.


Just my opinion.

:goodpost::goodpost:

 

[Bravo]

But aren't they beginning to try with children who have concerning symptoms? I don't know. It doesn't sound like Jodi was always a sociopath, does it? Do they hide that well?

I guess it depends on your school of thought. Me I factor in Nature/Nurture. Sometimes we see both or one or the other. In my opine if they grow up in an enabling environment the outcome "could" be dangerous. Emphasis on "could". In my opinion there are so many factors of circumstance we really will never know which ones will become violent. I am all for early intervention however I think most of these types slip thru the cracks. Some display violence early. Some later. Some never.

 

[Justme84]

Wait! did they say he used a proxy server?
Was he trying to protect himself from Jodi watching what he did online?

 

[popsicle]

And at least two of three on the outside. ...sorry couldn't resist.




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[CUCKOOHEAD]

It seems to me this is why Florida has the sunshine law which can benefit the defendant as well if they are innocent. The media often reports what is rumored or leaked to them without regard to whether or not there is any truth. We have not heard from the prosecutor or defense whether or not this is true. We do know from an email TA sent to JA whether or not she had gotten into his personal accounts. To me we seem to be focused more on their sex life than on the actual crime and why she killed him. She certainly did not kill him because he sent pictures of men's body parts if this is where this is headed. "Bombshell, TA send pictures of body parts." Maybe she was into body parts and she let him know that they were interesting from an artistic viewpoint. We will never know.

What bothers me is the virus warning on TA's computer when LE turned it on. The very fact she claims to have "cleaned" his home tells me she had access to his computer. We don't even know how many times she may have been in the household when no one was home because he never locked the doors, which she knew because she said so in her statement to Flores. To me the only person who could verify whether or not he sent those pictures is dead. jmo

I recall that JA spoke about a virus on Travis's computer. She was aware of it.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

(Psssst....Depressed people impulsively kill themselves.)

Therapy can take decades and is only effective with some people. Therapy doesn't alter or replace organic chemical changes that have occurred in those with depression, Major Depression, or OCD.

(not directed at m00c0w) IF YOU WERE PRESCRIBED ANTIDEPRESSANTS, TAKE THEM!

Pensfan
grouchy ol' verified psychiatric mental health nurse

LOL I just saw your siggy. Nurse Ratchett, is that you?

 

[Justme84]

I guess it depends on your school of thought. Me I factor in Nature/Nurture. Sometimes we see both or one or the other. In my opine if they grow up in an enabling environment the outcome "could" be dangerous. Emphasis on "could". In my opinion there are so many factors of circumstance we really will never know which ones will become violent. I am all for early intervention however I think most of these types slip thru the cracks. Some display violence early. Some later. Some never.

without starting the debate between personality disorders and sociopaths, the charm and all of that associated with both often prevents the signs from being obvious. Most of the time people who have these issues wont seek help themselves ( they do not see what they are doing as wrong) and have the wool pulled so far over other peoples eyes that family and friends do not believe things are wrong either. Most of the time this stuff isnt discovered until there is a crime associated with or someone who has fallen victim to them tries to seek help thinking they are the ones with the problem.

 

[Linda7NJ]

BD1 - Did you know CA's psych evaluation was made public and she was found to be 'normal'?

That's another HUGE red flag that she's a psychopath. Psychopaths often fool even psychiatrists.


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[TotallyObsessed]

The self portrait she made has a warning that says

Haven't I heard on the TV or somewhere?? that it is her mother selling this crap on Ebay?

Disgusting.

 

[Bravo]

I invite you to investigate the matter. At least one of the doctors was court appointed.

I would be most interested in what exactly the test was. I would think some cursory standardized test. Which would show no mental illness. Nothing more. Nothing less. CA is not mentally ill. Not in the Legal sense.

 

[Justme84]

Haven't I heard on the TV or somewhere?? that it is her mother selling this crap on Ebay?

Disgusting.

I know the listing say that its someone close to her that sells them for her family to come to court and so she doesnt have to eat prison food.

 

[KM2]

I do not mean this with any rudeness at all but can you point this out to me because I do not see the media trying to side at all with the defendants. If anything I see them as trying to be first in line to report something whether it was used or not.

In fact, I often see people who state anything positive toward the defendants being pushed for negative things ("so you never saw ANYTHING that implied that she was a stalker and a killer"? )or mocked as if they are a fool or naive.

It depends upon the case, but in both the Arias and C.Anthony trial there is/was considerable circumstantial evidence (and DNA in Arias case, w/admission), so much that the majority of case followers feel convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. As example of what I meant is this headline "Jodi Arias' Ex-Boyfriend Lied About Sex As He Sent Lewd Photos of Himself". Firstly this wasn't even argued yet at trial. The article presents an indictment of the victim as presented by the Defense, w/o the benefit of what was learned on Cross-exam and via juror questions.

Huffington Post sums up Lisa Daidone's testimony as 'Travis was a liar'. Again, all through the lead of the Defense... going with *that* and omitting that she stated that SHE witnessed Jodi's stalking behavior, that Travis was respectful to her, never pressured her... that one day Jodi just "walked in" to Travis's house uninvited while they were there... ALL bearing to the jury to get the bigger picture. This is *some* of what I am talking about.

 

[Linda7NJ]

BD1 - Did you know CA's psych evaluation was made public and she was found to be 'normal'?

That's another HUGE red flag that she's a psychopath. Psychopaths often fool even psychiatrists.



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[CUCKOOHEAD]

i noticed they have been relisting items - so i think ppl are doing that to jodi's items too

ppl? Prepaid Legal?

 

[nightwatch]

The more colloquial use of 'cray cray'

"Referring to someone as "Cray Cray", signifies their craziness to a whole other level. The ultimate second power of crazy."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cray+cray

cool! lol on your mention of the urban dictionary. was wondering what "cray cray" definition was. i've have been looking for a source to check. don't hear much urban language here in so. ut. )

 

[jevipo74]

I know the listing say that its someone close to her that sells them for her family to come to court and so she doesnt have to eat prison food.

If she didn't want to eat prison food, she shouldn't have murdered Travis.

 

[PASA]

LOL,

PASA or Katie need to get the courtroom before Monday's trial starts and swap out all the chairs to those who can't be moved up/down. :rocker:

LOL! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[LaneGirl]

From the court minutes:

The State presented evidence that the victim was first shot on the right side of his head near his eye with a .25 caliber handgun and that the bullet lodged in his left cheek. This wound was not fatal and may or may not have rendered the victim unconscious. The victim did not remain unconscious based on the infliction of the other wounds and the location of blood spatter evidence in the bathroom sink and blood in the hallway. In addition, the defendant told the police that the victim was unconscious after being shot but then crawled around and was stabbed.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Just thinking about the defense opening statements -- Wilmott actually said Jodi had a choice to make in a moment-- kill Travis or be killed. I mean, she really said that Travis would have killed Jodi if she had not killed him when she did.

I give this jury credit -- if you look at their questions from the beginning, you can tell that they really did have an open mind and were not deciding her guilt even based on all the evidence the prosecution was presenting. They were waiting to hear what the defense had to say. With a parade of defense witnesses testifying only about minor relationship squabbles -- now they really want to know, where's the evidence that Travis was ever abusive.

So, it's Travis's fault and he had a gun and knife with him in the shower?

I'm glad this jury, no matter the difference in age etc; are taking this serious and asking common sense questions.
I wonder if any of the men dated someone and stopped dating, and that person would not go away, even if they called her names and hurt her feelings?