Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[Pensfan]

If a person has ever personally experienced a stalker, a real one (and I have) once that chapter of your life is behind you, you are a changed person, you never look at men (or women as the case may be) the same. And you are usually able to pick out the traits immediately in people you meet. It is unmistakable and etched in your head.

Sadly this was his first and last and he didn't survive it. But I believe from what we read and heard from his friends, the idea crossed his mind.

He was just too young an inexperienced with this, to fully recognize the danger he could be in to not sever this tie fully and immediately.

Living with two parents that were on meth and boozing had to be very distressing and "crazy". I've wondered if Travis' turbulent early childhood left him desensitized to "dangerous and crazy".

 

[Bravo]

Yeah, the moment she saw that the grass was greener, she would have hopped the fence and abandoned any children she conceived with Travis.

I'm off to take a huge dose of Niacin now. :seeya:

Feel better :seeya:

 

[nursebeeme]

I don't think Jodi is going to take the stand. I realize she "should" if she has any chance of reaching the jury, but at this point, seeing exactly how good Juan M is, I think her attorneys will persuade her (and maybe they won't have to try very hard either) to stay off that stand. Juan is among the best of the best (IMO) and if that wasn't clear to the defense team before, it should be by now.

they are clearly no match for him

He is amazing. It literally is like a completely different dynamic when he is up and he has taken a steam roller over their CIC so far

I am not sure if she will take the stand or not but I do have a pretty good inclination that she won't take any advice from her attorneys on it.:moo:

 

[Hope4More]

Thank you. That's exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. Dislike the artist...appreciate the art. Too often judgment has been made based upon disdain for this woman and, therefore, her talent is dismissed.

Actually, it is possible to feel dislike and disgust for the person AND, as a separate matter entirely, to find her "art" pedestrian. As I do.

Also, although IMO a worldwide conference of shrinks and experts probably couldn't figure out what makes a Casey Anthony tick, I think a layperson like myself (yes, with multiple graduate degrees, though none of them involving psychology) can figure out the likes of Jodi Arias fairly readily. Just my opinion.

I have little doubt that the jury will see her for what she is too and find her guilty of 1st degree murder. A mother who kills her baby is beyond what most of us can or want to imagine, but a fatal attraction stalker fits into all kinds of very deeply rooted and mainstream stereotypes. She's cooked.

 

[kscornfed]

I don't think Jodi is going to take the stand. I realize she "should" if she has any chance of reaching the jury, but at this point, seeing exactly how good Juan M is, I think her attorneys will persuade her (and maybe they won't have to try very hard either) to stay off that stand. Juan is among the best of the best (IMO) and if that wasn't clear to the defense team before, it should be by now.

i'm leaning this way too. i'm remembering susan wright, who killed her husband here by stabbing him 200 times and buried him in the backyard. she claimed self defense. she was so AWFUL on the stand!! worst acting job i've ever seen. it was painful to watch and the jury saw right through her. i'd think this would be even worse because the jury's heard jodi tell TWO stories already they know were complete fabrications.

i think they'll go with experts and they'll ask a bunch of hypothetical questions and try to do it that way.

on the other hand, jodi may WANT to testify and if she does, they have to let her. however, if they know she'll perjure herself, they're SUPPOSED to tell the judge that in advance, i believe. we won't know that happened but it's my understanding that's what attorneys are supposed to do.

 

[bobloblaw]

Indeed

where are the murder weapons...this is weird...they need to find them

They have a massively strong case with no murder weapons. I don't think they need them at all. In fact JA has admitted that she slaughtered Travis, why would they need the weapons?

 

[K_Z]

I just wonder why she wouldn't have put the camera where ever she put the murder weapons that haven't been found.

Well, just because she planned out the murder in advance doesn't also automatically mean that she was calm and well organized during and after the murder. I'd bet most murderers are in a very heightened state after a murder. Perhaps exhilarated, shaky, mind racing, etc. That's why even "smart" murderers overlook evidence they leave behind that can lead to them being arrested. They are human (unfortunately), and subject to the effects of their physiological responses and emotions. They just lack a conscience. And that is what differentiates "them" from "us".

Interestingly, some serial killers who are "smart" enough to not get caught, eventually cave in to the need to boast about their crimes. To "one-up" LE and everyone else. Their own narcissism needs to be fed so strongly that they begin leaving clues or taunting messages about their crimes.

Most murderers never believe they will be caught, or held accountable.

 

[2door73chevy]

Someone was asking if NG is on and she is...HLN

 

[Madeleine74]

I don't even think Jodi wants to testify. Oh she may have been posturing herself in 2008 and 2009 but now? She doesn't look so confident to me. She doesn't look like she wants to take on the great Juan Martinez. I sure wouldn't if I were a defendant!

 

[kkdj]

the thing is that the defense will not be able to say he consented. (unless jodi had him sign a consent form :lol

Or if it was something that she prerecorded herself on her cell message and he called, listened to it, and left his message referring to it.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I just think what I find attractive in a man, another woman might not. I think he would be her way to get out of the grandparents house, which if we review the photos, it is a poor little broken down home, his home was a mansion in comparison.

He was charismatic, he was also a salesman and motivational speaker. If anyone knows anything about salesmen, (and they don't mean to do this) in order to be good at sales, you would be outgoing and personable and he was on the way up in life. Car, his own home and "desire".. he was motivated to have a life for himself.

She needed "out" of hers. He probably made her feel good about herself in the way he would about anyone he spoke to. Not a lot of men communicate and that was his "job" so many women find it an attractive quality.

Something about him became her obsession. After everything I have seen and how he spoke, I am actually not attracted to him, but I can see why the women would be. What drew me in was his written words. That told me more about him than all his videos put together.

And it kind of made me see that some of his outgoing persona is definitely coming from what he experienced. He was a survivor. I can picture him telling her she can do anything she wants, she is a talented Photographer and one-dimensional artist (ok, sorry, had to do it) But she would be hooked. I don't think he would have tried to build her self worth with any malice at all, thats how he speaks, and that became his job literally.

However, when you speak to an audience that is one thing.. but she met him that way, at a PPL meeting thing. When you speak to a person like her (a person that was not all together ok in her head) one on one, she would become like velcro.

I see her as having threatened Travis for a long time. I think she made the recordings and collected all she did to hold over his head. I think she let him know that every Mormon in the land would know what he did if he was not nice to her and he might have strung her along in a way, to buy time to figure out how to appease the "monster" in her. Problem was, he couldn't find a way - so she held the trump card of exposure on him and he probably engaged in sexual behavior far longer than he wanted. To me, the photos in the shower look hauntingly sad.

I think jodi was an eraser killer of sorts. IMHO she had two plans the night she drove to his house.
1. He would agree to marry her, take her on the trip, etc or else
2. He would die and remain her trophy forever. In her mind, she took his virginity and gave up so much (even became Mormon for him) and if she couldn't have him - nobody would ever have him like she did - especially not another woman.

My gut says when she knew finally that plan one was not going to work - plan two became reality.

JMHO

 

[TigerBalm]

I just think what I find attractive in a man, another woman might not. I think he would be her way to get out of the grandparents house, which if we review the photos, it is a poor little broken down home, his home was a mansion in comparison.

He was charismatic, he was also a salesman and motivational speaker. If anyone knows anything about salesmen, (and they don't mean to do this) in order to be good at sales, you would be outgoing and personable and he was on the way up in life. Car, his own home and "desire".. he was motivated to have a life for himself.

She needed "out" of hers. He probably made her feel good about herself in the way he would about anyone he spoke to. Not a lot of men communicate and that was his "job" so many women find it an attractive quality.

Something about him became her obsession. After everything I have seen and how he spoke, I am actually not attracted to him, but I can see why the women would be. What drew me in was his written words. That told me more about him than all his videos put together.

And it kind of made me see that some of his outgoing persona is definitely coming from what he experienced. He was a survivor. I can picture him telling her she can do anything she wants, she is a talented Photographer and one-dimensional artist (ok, sorry, had to do it) But she would be hooked. I don't think he would have tried to build her self worth with any malice at all, thats how he speaks, and that became his job literally.

However, when you speak to an audience that is one thing.. but she met him that way, at a PPL meeting thing. When you speak to a person like her (a person that was not all together ok in her head) one on one, she would become like velcro.

BBM

She wasn't living at her grandparent's house when she met him.
She was living in a $2,800 a month, $360,000 home in Palm Desert, CA purchased with Darryl Brewer.


Direct to Darryl's testimony regarding the home, in case anyone missed it:
http://youtu.be/_qVnAogvSzw?t=1h5m45s

 

[Bravo]

The trial itself (when they are actually in session) isn't a very long trial, compared with some of them, but it's the AZ penchant for extremely short court days and days off in between, that take what might be a 1 month trial and stretch it into 2 or 3 months. consider the state called only 20 witnesses during it's CIC, Compared to something like triple the amount of witnesses in other murder trials in other areas in the country. 20 is a very low number for a CIC when you consider there was DNA, a very bloody crime scene, etc. The rebuttal phase will probably bring in several more state witnesses (though I doubt it will be more than 10, if even that). All-in-all, it's not a drawn-out case from that standpoint. Now if only AZ in general, and this court in particular would work a full day and more than 3 days in a row, cases would get resolved so much faster!

Agree. And if the Defense would stop shuffling papers,stop the monotone slow paced questioning etc. etc. JM gets er done.

 

[Jax49]

they are clearly no match for him

He is amazing. It literally is like a completely different dynamic when he is up and he has taken a steam roller over their CIC so far

I am not sure if she will take the stand or not but I do have a pretty good inclination that she won't take any advice from her attorneys on it.:moo:

I wonder if the animosity between the DAs and PA is real or just a courtroom thing. I've read about other cases where attorneys are at each others throats in the courtroom but share a beer together afterwards.

 

[Really?]

Actually, it is possible to feel dislike and disgust for the person AND, as a separate matter entirely, to find her "art" pedestrian. As I do.

Also, although IMO a worldwide conference of shrinks and experts probably couldn't figure out what makes a Casey Anthony tick, I think a layperson like myself (yes, with multiple graduate degrees, though none of them involving psychology) can figure out the likes of Jodi Arias fairly readily. Just my opinion.

I have little doubt that the jury will see her for what she is too and find her guilty of 1st degree murder. A mother who kills her baby is beyond what most of us can or want to imagine, but a fatal attraction stalker fits into all kinds of very deeply rooted and mainstream stereotypes. She's cooked.

LOL@pedestrian:floorlaugh:

 

[*~Aimee~*]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www...13/01/04/bedroom_evidence_photo_3_-_qp1_0.jpg

^ Another bed pillow on floor and a blue mystery rectangular object.

looks like my hubby's neck pillow.

http://www.osteobed.com/pillows.html

 

[BritsKate]

If the camera wasn't left on purpose than why go through the extra process of deleting photos from it? Why not just burn it, presumably, along with the knife, gun and clothing? (Though I believe there's a pillow missing too but we don't have proof of it.) One of the photos deleted, if I recall correctly, was the dragging shot. Why risk the time to delete them?

I've always believed Jodi *thought* she'd deleted all the incriminating evidence she wanted to from the camera and threw it in the washing machine to remove DNA and fingerprints.

JMO

 

[kkdj]

I don't even think Jodi wants to testify. Oh she may have been posturing herself in 2008 and 2009 but now? She doesn't look so confident to me. She doesn't look like she wants to take on the great Juan Martinez. I sure wouldn't if I were a defendant!

My impression of Jodi is that she believes herself to be the great bamboozler. She probably thinks she can effectively take on Juan and sway at least one juror if not several.
I'll bet she's wrong tho. Especially with her attys putting up such an offensive seedy defense.
Jmo

 

[bobloblaw]

I don't think Jodi is going to take the stand. I realize she "should" if she has any chance of reaching the jury, but at this point, seeing exactly how good Juan M is, I think her attorneys will persuade her (and maybe they won't have to try very hard either) to stay off that stand. Juan is among the best of the best (IMO) and if that wasn't clear to the defense team before, it should be by now.

I don't think she has a choice not to take the stand, given the mountain of evidence against her now. She basically has nothing to lose. At this point I believe they have a DP conviction. Why not throw a "hail Mary"?

 

[Madeleine74]

I don't sense any particular anger or great dislike vibe between Willmott and Martinez.

I don't think there's any love lost between Nurmi and Martinez (i.e. not sharing a beer).

But I've said this before--it's like watching the old cartoon "Sam Sheepdog and Ralph Wolf" where they are friendly enough and pleasant as they punch their timecards and then once they take their positions, they are arch enemies until quitting time at 5pm, where they wish each other a pleasant evening until the next work day.

I imagine it's a lot like this for the attorneys across the aisle who come in regular contact.