Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[chakti]

I read a couple pages back that she goes by her mothers last name not her dad. What's up with that ?

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I have been thinking about the phone sex tape today. I can't, for the life of me, see how the DT can get this admitted into evidence unless JA gets on that witness stand.

I certainly don't think this would be a wise decision.....but the DT seems to have nothing else And let's please pray that JA does get up there....I so want to see JM work his magic. :great:

:newhere: and of course :moo:

I can't see them being able to admit the actual recording even if she takes the stand because if I am reading the laws correct, the recording was a crime and I don't think any court lets you use evidence obtained in the commission of a crime. If any of the attorneys want to jump in and correct me, please do!

 

[Really?]

I read a couple pages back that she goes by her mothers last name not her dad. What's up with that ?

Arias is her fathers last name.

 

[popoju]

I can't see them being able to admit the actual recording even if she takes the stand because if I am reading the laws correct, the recording was a crime and I don't think any court lets you use evidence obtained in the commission of a crime. If any of the attorneys want to jump in and correct me, please do!

For this case, JA recorded the call in California (2-party consent) with Travis in Arizona (1-party consent).
JA has violated California law. By doing so, she is subject to criminal prosecution, and a civil lawsuit for damages to the victim.

 

[TigerBalm]

I read a couple pages back that she goes by her mothers last name not her dad. What's up with that ?

IDK who said that but it isn't true.



Jodi Ann Arias was born on July 9, 1980, in Monterey County, California, to William Angelo and Sandy D. (née Allen) Arias. She is of Mexican descent from her father and German and English from her mother. Arias has an older half-sister (from her father's first marriage), two younger brothers, and a younger sister.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Travis_Alexander"]Murder of Travis Alexander - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Madeleine74]

I happen to think Jodi is a very talented artist. I realize many disagree. I can separate out my feelings about her as a person who murdered Travis and what I see when I look at her drawings. This is not someone with a "junior high" level of artistic talent--she happens to be able to capture a level of detail to an extremely fine degree. You may not *like* her art and art is, afterall, in the eye of the beholder, but I personally think she is talented. Very talented.

That makes it even a bigger shame that she not only ended Travis' life in such brutality, but she ended her own life in a way that she cannot ever fully explore her own talents as an artist. This (jailhouse paper and backs of tablets and colored pencils) is the best she'll be able to work with. And she could have had a good life and explored and grown as an artist. But the path she took ended all of that too. So yes, her artwork will sell on ebay or wherever, but she could have been a true professional artist--she does have the ability and talent for it, or at least the potential for it, IMO. She threw everything away, even the good things within herself.

 

[lil_buddy]

How can the prosecution prove that it was recorded against TA's will?

 

[nursebeeme]

Good point. Do you think the camera was intentionally put in the washing machine?

I am not sure...:waitasec: but the PA put a pretty huge emphasis on the bleach when he was doing his direct on the camera man

I truly think that SHE thought she destroyed it. So I tend to think it was not just "forgotten".

Jodi thinks she is one smart cookie (that will be her downfall).

 

[StephanieHartPI]

I just think what I find attractive in a man, another woman might not. I think he would be her way to get out of the grandparents house, which if we review the photos, it is a poor little broken down home, his home was a mansion in comparison.

He was charismatic, he was also a salesman and motivational speaker. If anyone knows anything about salesmen, (and they don't mean to do this) in order to be good at sales, you would be outgoing and personable and he was on the way up in life. Car, his own home and "desire".. he was motivated to have a life for himself.

She needed "out" of hers. He probably made her feel good about herself in the way he would about anyone he spoke to. Not a lot of men communicate and that was his "job" so many women find it an attractive quality.

Something about him became her obsession. After everything I have seen and how he spoke, I am actually not attracted to him, but I can see why the women would be. What drew me in was his written words. That told me more about him than all his videos put together.

And it kind of made me see that some of his outgoing persona is definitely coming from what he experienced. He was a survivor. I can picture him telling her she can do anything she wants, she is a talented Photographer and one-dimensional artist (ok, sorry, had to do it) But she would be hooked. I don't think he would have tried to build her self worth with any malice at all, thats how he speaks, and that became his job literally.

However, when you speak to an audience that is one thing.. but she met him that way, at a PPL meeting thing. When you speak to a person like her (a person that was not all together ok in her head) one on one, she would become like velcro.

Care to share your theory?

 

[K_Z]

Good point. Do you think the camera was intentionally put in the washing machine?

I'm not nursebeeme, but I don't think the camera was intentionally left behind when Jodi left the house and scene of the murder. I tend to think she scooped it up by mistake, and then either couldn't find it because she never imagined it would be in the washer, or she forgot about it entirely in her state of mind after the murder.

Personally, I would be willing to bet that Jodi has spent a lot of time being angry at herself for overlooking that camera. I think she was astonished when Flores told her he had it, AND that it still had pics on it that she thought she had deleted. She certainly had the presence of mind to take the gun and knife with her to hide and dispose of them.

I do think Jodi planned to kill TA, but thankfully for the sake of justice, Jodi didn't think much about the after effects of what kind of evidence would be left behind in such a violent, gruesome murder. She is truly not a very organized or mature psychopath, and for that we can be glad. Casey Anthony also was a maturing psychopath when she murdered Caylee. It's just so incredibly sad and frustrating, and infuriating, that the Pinellas 12 decided to free her in the great experiment they set in motion. IMO.

I am incredibly hopeful that the Maricopa 12 will convict Jodi. I dont care much whether she gets LWOP or DP, as long as she never is let out again. She needs to remain incarcerated for whatever days she has left on this earth, IMO.

 

[nursebeeme]

How can the prosecution prove that it was recorded against TA's will?

the thing is that the defense will not be able to say he consented. (unless jodi had him sign a consent form :lol

 

[popsicle]

The defense has to prove that Travis had knowledge of the phone call being recorded.

 

[Shelby1]

I am not sure...:waitasec: but the PA put a pretty huge emphasis on the bleach when he was doing his direct on the camera man

I truly think that SHE thought she destroyed it. So I tend to think it was not just "forgotten".

Jodi thinks she is one smart cookie (that will be her downfall).

I just wonder why she wouldn't have put the camera where ever she put the murder weapons that haven't been found.

 

[popoju]

I just wonder why she wouldn't have put the camera where ever she put the murder weapons that haven't been found.

Indeed

where are the murder weapons...this is weird...they need to find them

 

[chakti]

Great question. Just as an aside, I almost busted a gut laughing when Casey Anthony's notebook was discovered where she had been practicing writing "Mrs. Tony Lazzaro".

IDK who said that but it isn't true.



Jodi Ann Arias was born on July 9, 1980, in Monterey County, California, to William Angelo and Sandy D. (née Allen) Arias. She is of Mexican descent from her father and German and English from her mother. Arias has an older half-sister (from her father's first marriage), two younger brothers, and a younger sister.

Murder of Travis Alexander - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OOPS ! I read that wrong. Sorry.

 

[nursebeeme]

Indeed

where are the murder weapons...this is weird...they need to find them

the murder pants
most likely her shirt
knife
gun
floor mats from the rental car
gas cans? I had never seen that those were recovered.

Someone had a nice bonfire out in the desert I think.

 

[popoju]

the murder pants
most likely her shirt
knife
gun
floor mats from the rental car
gas cans? I had never seen that those were recovered.

Someone had a nice bonfire out in the desert I think.

thats what i was thinking...and Kool aid

 

[StephanieHartPI]

If a person has ever personally experienced a stalker, a real one (and I have) once that chapter of your life is behind you, you are a changed person, you never look at men (or women as the case may be) the same. And you are usually able to pick out the traits immediately in people you meet. It is unmistakable and etched in your head.

Sadly this was his first and last and he didn't survive it. But I believe from what we read and heard from his friends, the idea crossed his mind.

He was just too young an inexperienced with this, to fully recognize the danger he could be in to not sever this tie fully and immediately.

 

[Rileyanne]

I happen to think Jodi is a very talented artist. I realize many disagree. I can separate out my feelings about her as a person who murdered Travis and what I see when I look at her drawings. This is not someone with a "junior high" level of artistic talent--she happens to be able to capture a level of detail to an extremely fine degree. You may not *like* her art and art is, afterall, in the eye of the beholder, but I personally think she is talented. Very talented.

That makes it even a bigger shame that she not only ended Travis' life in such brutality, but she ended her own life in a way that she cannot ever fully explore her own talents as an artist. This (jailhouse paper and backs of tablets and colored pencils) is the best she'll be able to work with. And she could have had a good life and explored and grown as an artist. But the path she took ended all of that too. So yes, her artwork will sell on ebay or wherever, but she could have been a true professional artist--she does have the ability and talent for it, or at least the potential for it, IMO. She threw everything away, even the good things within herself.

Thank you. That's exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. Dislike the artist...appreciate the art. Too often judgment has been made based upon disdain for this woman and, therefore, her talent is dismissed.

 

[Quester]

Re camera:

I’m inclined to believe that JA, a “photographer”, wouldn’t just lose sight of the camera and accidentally bundle it with the laundry. I’m inclined to believe she intentionally placed the camera in the washing machine with bleach and ran it for a cycle. JMHO.

Additionally, is there a way to determine when JA and/or TA deleted photos that day? TIA

My thinking: If JA and/or TA deleted the nude-on-the-bed photos prior to the shower pics, JA could have believed that the deleted pics would have been overwritten with the number of shower pics. Her insurance [faulty] that the deleted pictures were forever gone could have been the cycle through the washing machine with bleach. JMHO.