Trial date set for Sidney and Tammy Moorer? #2

[EmmaRose]

Tammy was not letting SM out of her sight at that time. She was even going to his jobs with him.
IIRC Heather's number was blocked from the M's phone, so they couldn't know who was calling until it was answered. Although that could have been earlier speculation that I am now remembering as fact. It seems likely that Heather would block her number and not speak if Tammy answered.

Originally I thought the murder occurred in the truck, but since LE went over it and didn't find evidence or body fluids, I am leaning towards another location (but that could change tomorrow). I think the luring was premeditated by both and Tammy demanded that they directly confront Heather together. After weeks of non-stop threats, coercion, screaming, abuse, handcuffs??!! & whatever else TM seems to be capable of, SM relented. IMO they left PTL and went somewhere to have a confrontation. I don't think SM planned a murder in advance, maybe TM...unless certain rumors are true which would give both of them a motive for murder.

Heather's body...see all the green in this map. Thousands of acres of unoccupied wetlands. It would not be difficult to hide a body where it wouldn't be found for a long time. Aynor teen Zachary Malinowski hasn't been found either and those two that have been arrested for his murder are not criminal masterminds.

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Couldn't have said it better.

I'm not sure if I can post this question here, but if not please delete.
Does anyone remember Tammy posting (after Heather went missing) that she was going to visit "a friend" in Carolina Forest and then added "anyone wanna come?". I always thought that came out of left field and wondered if she was throwing a taunt out there regarding where Heather ended up. Could be my over-active imagination as well. Lol. Wish Heather could be brought home.

 

[lovinlife83]

This is what I remembered...that it didn't pertain to the crime or its timeline, but I didn't recall the details. The state will presumably use this to show TM's rage at Heather over the affair. I can see the state's position that it goes to the circumstantial case, but I don't think an IE charge will benefit the state. Nor do I think SM's claim and some taunting texts with the images will fly for an IE conviction. I think it just looks like the state is grasping. The defense will not let that one slide. JMO

Why do you think that the state won't be able to get a guilty verdict for the I.E. If there are photos to prove it?

 

[cujenn81]

And let's not forget that in the now famous social media rant TM called SM "stupid" for all the trouble that was bubbling up after Heather was missing. In fact, SM, HE, TE, meanie LE, and the entire cast of characters were either stupid, crazy, or out to get TM and family. She's always the victim.

Yet all roads lead to her and her own words.

I want to see her have the mother of all meltdowns in a courtroom when all of these contradictions and name-calling events collide and it's her being characterized as unhinged and malicious, enough so to commit murder. :clap:

AMEN!

"But, but, but... Your Honor! May I just interject something... they're lying, and those screenshots are fake, and both my Facebook account and cell phone were hacked into... and so what if they aren't lying? She seduced and slept with my husband! I mean, how DARE SHE? I couldn't just let her get away with that, now could I?"

Yes, I CANNOT wait to see her epic meltdown.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Reading this article again (which is confusingly written IMWO - in my wife's opinion), the managing partner of the Frederick J. Hanna & Associates law firm in Greenville, the attorneys for Portfolio Recovery Associates LLC/Synchrony Bank, had this to say:

BBM

Joe Cooling, a managing partner with the firm, said he was unaware of what impact if any those circumstances would have on the civil suit.


“It’s horrible that that’s going on,” Cooling said. “Obviously we were not aware of anything of that sort.”

So, this law firm is saying that they had no idea that SM was facing murder charges? Really? :facepalm:

 

[tarheelslim]

So, this law firm is saying that they had no idea that SM was facing murder charges? Really? :facepalm:

The company that bought the credit card debt?

SM is probably just one account number on a list that they're litigating

 

[magnolia]

The company that bought the credit card debt?

SM is probably just one account number on a list that they're litigating

You're right. IMO

They are probably telling the truth about not knowing SM was facing murder charges.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

You're right. IMO

They are probably telling the truth about not knowing SM was facing murder charges.

So then, what you are believing is that this "professional" law firm knew nothing about SM before appearing in court to collect their money?

Sounds like someone didn't do their homework IMO.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Still wondering how the "phoner" went with all parties. Still no word on a date. 👺

 

[ZooSleuth]

So then, what you are believing is that this "professional" law firm knew nothing about SM before appearing in court to collect their money?

Sounds like someone didn't do their homework IMO.

He was probably just another name in a computer until they saw his response to the suit they filed. Yes, they should have at least googled him, but I can't say I'm surprised they didn't know who he was. It will be interesting to see if the debt collectors put the civil case on hold until after the murder trial, or if they move forward with it.

 

[magnolia]

So then, what you are believing is that this "professional" law firm knew nothing about SM before appearing in court to collect their money?

Sounds like someone didn't do their homework IMO.

Yes, that is what I'm saying. Frederick J. Hanna & Associates are debt collection attorneys. They have offices in Georgia, Florida and South Carolina. SM was just another account number to them. What kind of homework do you think they should have done before proceeding to collect the debt?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Yes, that is what I'm saying. Frederick J. Hanna & Associates are debt collection attorneys. They have offices in Georgia, Florida and South Carolina. SM was just another account number to them. What kind of homework do you think they should have done before proceeding to collect the debt?

SM's claim was that he could not pay his debt because he was in jail.

When Frederick J. Hanna & Associates were preparing their case against him, they should of at least verified his claim. Upon doing so, they would have discovered what he was in jail for.

At least that's what I would have done if I were an Attorney heading to court to collect money for my client.

But then again, if you're not even on the "up-and-up" to begin with, who gives a flying fart?

Georgia Debt Collector Frederick J Hanna to Pay 3.1 Million for Illegal Debt Collection

http://statesboro.biz/News/887/Geor...-3-1-Million-for-Illegal-Debt-Collection.aspx

Debt Collection Law Firm Settles ‘Lawsuit Mill’ Complaint

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2015/12/28/debt-collection-law-firm-settles-lawsuit-mill-complaint/

 

[ZooSleuth]

SM's claim was that he could not pay his debt because he was in jail.

When Frederick J. Hanna & Associates were preparing their case against him, they should of at least verified his claim. Upon doing so, they would have discovered what he was in jail for.

At least that's what I would have done if I were an Attorney heading to court to collect money for my client.

But then again, if you're not even on the "up-and-up" to begin with, who gives a flying fart?

Georgia Debt Collector Frederick J Hanna to Pay 3.1 Million for Illegal Debt Collection

http://statesboro.biz/News/887/Geor...-3-1-Million-for-Illegal-Debt-Collection.aspx

Debt Collection Law Firm Settles ‘Lawsuit Mill’ Complaint

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2015/12/28/debt-collection-law-firm-settles-lawsuit-mill-complaint/

In the media when they reported SM's "defense" for this civil suit, do we know if that came from the response he filed with the court or was that from a statement he gave to the media?

 

[JerseyGirl]

In the media when they reported SM's "defense" for this civil suit, do we know if that came from the response he filed with the court or was that from a statement he gave to the media?

“I was incarcerated on false charges and was unable to pay. I want a trial,” Moorer said on a court document in answer to the civil complaint against him on Aug. 25 after checking a box on the document denying any responsibility for the debt, which was served at his home on Aug. 5.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/crime/article53557940.html#storylink=cpy

Portfolio Recovery Associates LLC/ Synchrony Bank is after the $6,603.32 balance plus court costs, documents show, and a motion was filed in October contesting Sidney Moorer’s response to the debt.

“The defendant’s answer contains only general denials and states no issue of fact for trial. The law is well settled that the defendant may not rest on mere denials or averments in the pleading but must set forth specific facts showing that there is a genuine issue for trial,” according to the motion.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

In the media when they reported SM's "defense" for this civil suit, do we know if that came from the response he filed with the court or was that from a statement he gave to the media?

Court records...

BBM

“I was incarcerated on false charges and was unable to pay,” Moorer wrote in court records. “I want a trial.”

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_d5ca2312-9869-11e5-b4aa-6747d3f0a555.html

 

[magnolia]

SM's claim was that he could not pay his debt because he was in jail.

When Frederick J. Hanna & Associates were preparing their case against him, they should of at least verified his claim. Upon doing so, they would have discovered what he was in jail for.

At least that's what I would have done if I were an Attorney heading to court to collect money for my client.

But then again, if you're not even on the "up-and-up" to begin with, who gives a flying fart?

Georgia Debt Collector Frederick J Hanna to Pay 3.1 Million for Illegal Debt Collection

http://statesboro.biz/News/887/Geor...-3-1-Million-for-Illegal-Debt-Collection.aspx

Debt Collection Law Firm Settles ‘Lawsuit Mill’ Complaint

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2015/12/28/debt-collection-law-firm-settles-lawsuit-mill-complaint/

I'm not sure what you mean by "preparing their case". We're talking about debt collection attorneys. There is really nothing to prepare. All they need is to be able to show the Judge proof that he owes the debt. They don't give any of their cases special attention. I'm thinking people use every excuse known to man hoping to get out of going to court and being stuck paying the debt. When their client says sue, they sue. IMO

It seems Portfolio is not accepting SM's excuse and probably would not have accepted it before they filed the lawsuit. SM's incarceration is really not their problem.



http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/new...#storylink=cpy

Portfolio Recovery Associates LLC/ Synchrony Bank is after the $6,603.32 balance plus court costs, documents show, and a motion was filed in October contesting Sidney Moorer’s response to the debt.

“The defendant’s answer contains only general denials and states no issue of fact for trial. The law is well settled that the defendant may not rest on mere denials or averments in the pleading but must set forth specific facts showing that there is a genuine issue for trial,” according to the motion.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

I'm not sure what you mean by "preparing their case". We're talking about debt collection attorneys. There is really nothing to prepare. All they need is to be able to show the Judge proof that he owes the debt. They don't give any of their cases special attention. I'm thinking people use every excuse known to man hoping to get out of going to court and being stuck paying the debt. When their client says sue, they sue. IMO

It seems Portfolio is not accepting SM's excuse and probably would not have accepted it before they filed the lawsuit. SM's incarceration is really not their problem.



http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/new...#storylink=cpy

Portfolio Recovery Associates LLC/ Synchrony Bank is after the $6,603.32 balance plus court costs, documents show, and a motion was filed in October contesting Sidney Moorer’s response to the debt.

“The defendant’s answer contains only general denials and states no issue of fact for trial. The law is well settled that the defendant may not rest on mere denials or averments in the pleading but must set forth specific facts showing that there is a genuine issue for trial,” according to the motion.

BBM

I thought I had already answered your question @magnolia in previous post, but I will try again. I was just being short since this is not a huge deal in the big scope of things. And also, I am not trying to be confrontational to you in any way. Just trying to get my point across so you understand what I am saying and thinking. :discuss:

I just found it odd and borderline absurd that in the article I referenced in the original post (which, after looking back, I inadvertently forgot to supply a link - here it is) – that the managing partner for the law firm was clueless IMO about SM's pending charges aside from the civil suit.

Sure, he is "just a number" to them. I get that and can agree.

But, when an attorney prepares a case against someone, they would surely collect all the appropriate bits of paperwork and evidence surrounding the opposing party that will support their case in court. In doing so, they would have the person's name, account number, address, phone number, email, bank records, amount owed, employment info and other miscellaneous information pertaining to the case.

When preparing this information, I'm pretty sure their client (Portfolio Recovery Associates/Synchrony Bank) gave them full-access to SM's account which would contain all the items above to support their case concerning the money that is owed. It's not like they would walk into court unprepared.

So, my assumption was that they would collect as much supporting evidence as they needed. At some point while collecting this information (as I referred to as "homework"), that someone at the law firm would have come across something/anything about his murder charges. It's not that hard to come across by searching for SM online. That's all.

I also got to thinking that with SM's credit card records in question, that it's possible during the civil trial that charges made to the credit card by SM/TM? would be exposed in court. :thinking: Info that the state doesn't currently have; that could prove useful in the upcoming criminal court case.

 

[Hatfield]

I've maintained the same theory all along. I don't think it was planned. I think SM was out working that night at one of his jobs...and thought he'd call HE for a quickie or to see if he could slip back into her life. He called from the payphone because TM had his phone or he didn't want to leave a trail for her. I think that is the reason for the "he said he's leaving his wife and wants to see me" excuse. I don't think there was any hidden agenda at that point to do her harm.

But then when she perhaps balked or stalled...and he wasn't at the payphone when HE called back, she started calling his cell. I think at that point, when his cell phone was at home and HE was calling it, TM had it and got so mad she insisted on getting rid of the threat immediately. I believe once SM got home, she confronted him. He may have lied about making the initial call, or he may have come clean. But either way, I believe TM forced him to call HE back and say he'd meet her at PTL.

I believe TM rode in the backseat of the truck ducking down as they arrived. Once SM and TM arrived, he pulled up, HE jumped in the passenger side. As soon as the door closed, I think TM strangled her or attacked her. Remember, it needed to be a way to leave virtually no DNA evidence such as blood etc. I think that fits the bill unfortunately.

All of that is speculation of course, but it seems the most plausible explanation for the calls, timeline, lack of a "scene" at PTL etc. The only problem with my theory is...that means these two idiots were somehow able to hide her body so well that noone has been able to find it. That's the only part where I feel perhaps my theory falls apart since I don't think these two are so bright and thoughtful.

Just My opinion...

JMO and just speculation
I think that is pretty close to what I think although I differ in just a couple minor things at the beginning.

I think during the day maybe SM got wind of Heathers date by visiting the restarant and hearing from workers about the date. I think he got jealous himself about it and he may have tried to contact her earlier in the day and maybe was caught by TM earlier which maybe caused a real big fight where he really did leave the house originally.

The reason I think this is Heather had mentioned to her friend that SM was crying on the phone saying he had left his house or got thrown out of the house. When the friend talked with Heather it sounded to me that she was still deciding whether to even meet up with him. He must have been really convincing with the crying and all which made me think that maybe the fight with his wife could have been real to be that convincing to Heather.

At some point I think TM went looking for SM and found him because he was on foot and they reconciled. At that point TM had had enough and roped SM into a plan to end it once and for all.

TM may have told SM that she was just going to beat her up and teach her a lesson once and for all. SM may or may not have known her rage would end up killing her. So SM agrees with the setup to get Heather to meet him.

From that point on everything is about the same.

I think its possible that TM had some sort of ligature and when she surprises Heather from the back area she may have managed to get a rope or something around her neck while SM was quickly driving away. By the time they got to their house she may have been strangled. Would not leave a whole lot of evidence in the vehicle.

It is either that or TM jumps out before Heather gets to the vehicle and has a gun on her and makes her climb into the toolbox. And they drive somewhere else where she makes her get out and she finishes her off.

I think however it was done I think they solicited help either that evening or the next day with how to permantly hide her body where it could never be found.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

These theories are certainly good and believable.

My question then would be for LE: How is it that you were unable to find one strand of Heather's hair during your search of the compound and vehicles? There had to have been be plenty of them transferred if there was any type of struggle or confrontation. What about finger nail scrapings? Surely you performed that on the M's upon their arrest, no?

 

[magnolia]

BBM

I thought I had already answered your question @magnolia in previous post, but I will try again. I was just being short since this is not a huge deal in the big scope of things. And also, I am not trying to be confrontational to you in any way. Just trying to get my point across so you understand what I am saying and thinking. :discuss:

I just found it odd and borderline absurd that in the article I referenced in the original post (which, after looking back, I inadvertently forgot to supply a link - here it is) – that the managing partner for the law firm was clueless IMO about SM's pending charges aside from the civil suit.

Sure, he is "just a number" to them. I get that and can agree.

But, when an attorney prepares a case against someone, they would surely collect all the appropriate bits of paperwork and evidence surrounding the opposing party that will support their case in court. In doing so, they would have the person's name, account number, address, phone number, email, bank records, amount owed, employment info and other miscellaneous information pertaining to the case.
When preparing this information, I'm pretty sure their client (Portfolio Recovery Associates/Synchrony Bank) gave them full-access to SM's account which would contain all the items above to support their case concerning the money that is owed. It's not like they would walk into court unprepared.

So, my assumption was that they would collect as much supporting evidence as they needed. At some point while collecting this information (as I referred to as "homework"), that someone at the law firm would have come across something/anything about his murder charges. It's not that hard to come across by searching for SM online. That's all.

I also got to thinking that with SM's credit card records in question, that it's possible during the civil trial that charges made to the credit card by SM/TM? would be exposed in court. :thinking: Info that the state doesn't currently have; that could prove useful in the upcoming criminal court case.

BBM- The Attorney would have all the information you listed. They probably have the original credit application/agreement SM completed to get credit with Toys R' Us. They possibly have proof of purchases he made on the account. All supporting documents provided them by Portfolio. What other evidence do you think they would need? Why would they research SM via the internet?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

BBM- The Attorney would have all the information you listed. They probably have the original credit application/agreement SM completed to get credit with Toys R' Us. They possibly have proof of purchases he made on the account. All supporting documents provided them by Portfolio. What other evidence do you think they would need? Why would they research SM via the internet?

To verify his claim of being in jail and why.

If anyone from the firm actually looked, they would have seen a current charge of Medicare fraud.

Wouldn't you agree that would be considered relevant info for a suit involving money? Hmmmmm.