Trial day 31: the defense continues it's case in chief #86

[katiecoolady]

I think your suggestion is great m'lady. Absolutely agree..so many stories to tell, so many amazing posters here. So many people id personally like to hear from. Just Janine driver telling her personal story on dr drew generated hundreds of Fb mail and requests tweets and their ratings went thru the roof. This is what we all need...ways to connect with each other. I love your idea. So much.

 

[AZWatcher]

I am beyond disgusted with this as well! Have you all seen this article from today??

:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/21642911/convictions-of-woman-on-ariz-death-row-overturned

PHOENIX (AP) - A federal appeals court has reversed the convictions and sentences of a woman convicted of murdering her son in a notorious case that put her on Arizona's death row.

Debra Jean Milke has been on death row for over 22 years after being convicted of first-degree murder and other charges in the 1989 killing of her son Christopher.

Prosecutors say Milke dressed the 4-year-old boy in his favorite outfit and told him he was going to see Santa in December 1989.

Instead, he was taken into the desert by two men and shot three times in the back of the head.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals;' ruling says the prosecution failed to disclose information about a history of misconduct by a detective who provided key incriminating testimony regarding Milke.

Seriously??? She murders her 4 year old son and it's overturned because the state "failed to disclose information about a history of misconduct by a detective" etc... Stuff like this makes me absolutely SICK!!! That poor little boy.

Oh no. My son was 4 at the time of this crime ... It really hit me hard. I didn't even realize she had a chance at the appeal. Ugh.

 

[marciec]

I was just thinking nearly the exact, same thing. We seem to have lost sight of the difference between the right to a competent defense in which the State's evidence is put to proof (or not) and "the finest, most comprehensive and exhaustive defense the taxpayers' money can buy."

I agree, and can't help but wonder whether LWOP is safer in terms of sure conviction and no chance of being in society again, but IDK. I can't & don't speak as a family member of a murder victim & my opinion is irrelevant in comparison. But it seems like higher profile crimes get far more cautious & lenient interpretations of the law than others..when so often they're only high profile due to the vicious nature of the crime itself! GRRR..

 

[Darkman00]

Applejack .. you beat me by seconds more likely, lol

I don't generally participate in this discussion so it took me a little while to find this thread

 

[katiedid2]

They are not sequestered for this trial. I think they're just waiting/having lunch early.

Seriously! Is there no accountability with this judge and her actions or lack of there of!
Total disregard for this jury! Court is recessed at a whim!
She doesn't appear to be very animated! What a nightmare! that there's no one to go to for accountability or complain to! She has lost control! I'd take judge perry any day.

 

[DebinGA]

Yes in the jury room for hrs waiting to be called into court.

If Ponytail Girl and Paul Rudd end up blissfully in love and engaged, maybe it'll be worth it.

 

[Miss Behavin]

OMG.....O/T ---- Debra Jean Milke's conviction has been overturned!!! Thank God! I don't think she did it, at ALL.

Sorry for OT, but I had to share. This is an interesting read:

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth District just granted Habeas relief to Debra Milke, on Arizona Death Row for 22 years. Download and read the decision here: http://debmi.me/07-99001_relief

 

[Nosey Parker]

The judge should be over it too. So tired of the excuse that the judge is giving the DT lots of leeway because of the death penalty. Defense has had almost five years to come up with one plan.

If the judge's role is 'referee', and the rules of disclosure have been violated, then she should simply deny use of the Power Point, and have Wilmott question her expert without it. If disclosure rules weren't violated, it comes into use.

Does the court really need to take 2.5+ hrs. to rule on that?

 

[tweezybird]

What does DV stand for? Thanks in advance

:seeya:

domestic Violence

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Jesus Christ. Pat from Texas (hyuk hyuk) just called in to HLN and she believes Travis is a pedophile because "all he wanted is anal sex." What century are we in. Where am I.

Don't blame all Texans..Maybe her husband has her stump broke?

 

[Steely Dan]

Did Nurmi really think he'd be able to pull this one over on JM? I can't wait til JM gets back on cross.

 

[lilyet]

Well, I missed what went down this morning so I can't comment on the expert, but as far as the jury, they already know that whatever the defense (non) experts testify to with regard to any abuse is based on LIES , TALES, they have Jodi's number. They know there was no abuse, they have figured out her only last chance is for the DT to hopefully convince someone of abuse, PTSD, anything. So they- jury- too are going to sit through a bunch of "a lotta about nothing", llistening to some idiot that is going to try to convince THEM she was abused. Dont see that happenning . IMO

 

[Amster]

I think the Judge made a nice compromise. She knows it was unfair to spring the PowerPoint on the State but she's giving Juan a chance to do another mini deposition.

I'm ok with how she ruled.

In other words.....make Juan work harder because the defense is sneaky. :waitasec:

 

[tweezybird]

I have a question, I was looking at a link someone posted of the camera pix and found this one:
http://s1321.beta.photobucket.com/us...21663417384483

I see a shoe in the foreground but this person looks like he has a t shirt on. What am I missing?

 

[katiecoolady]

Something is very wrong (intuition speaking) when a PhD has an interest both in evaluating sex offender AND has evaluates/practice in sex therapy. The dichotomy is so far apart yet has perverse tone to his interest. He likes sex offenders for cash cow.. yet he wants to treat those vulnerable individuals with deep intimate sexual issues. That just is a little perverse in my professional opinion. Then he writes treatment strategies for sex offenders when mega data shows treatment does not work. They are who they are. It is like treating heterosexual to not be one. Unfortunately for them their sexual orientation is perverse and very stuck in a bad bad place only to be locked up so they can not harm our children.

I don't mean to go on and on about this guy just something isn't right about him. The honorable professional sex therapist I have known over the years do not do evaluations for sex offenders and have sex therapy practice. They strictly help those with sensitive sexual issues.

Thank you for your patience and letting me vent several times now *sigh*

I'm really trying not to say "not to mention his name is Dick". Oops too late apologies to all Richards.

 

[popsicle]

They are not sequestered for this trial. I think they're just waiting/having lunch early.

I know..it's a jab at the court.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

OK... PTSD - P stands for Post, correct?

Was was her POST tramatic moment before she murdered Travis? This supposed abuse he gave her? In order to believe the PTSD they'll have to believe the abuse... and I don't think that'll happen. Or if they're talking about after she slaughtered Travis then that has no impact on the premeditated murder she committed.

Yeppers POST Traumatic Stress Disorder


:waitasec: Maybe for jodi it should be: past orifice sexual disparity?

I am assuming the 'long standing' period of abuse is how they get to medically defined PSTD????? Combo'ed with that darn abusive spoon????

 

[AZWatcher]

actually if you look at all the evidence and research-there is no proof she had anything to do with it. The guys who kiled him claim she told them to do it.The detective claimed she confessed but there was NO video or tape recording.....only his word. Yet his word alone got the DP? Beliving the guys who actually killed him is good enough for a DP???? The evidence was even more flimsy than CA's. This isn't Darlie Routier either. People are sent to DR and prison wrongfully at times. Just because someone is there in prison is not proof they are guilty. I am a huge proponent of the DP but this woman did not deserve DR. So this does not enrage me at all.

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I need to read up! I didn't follow the case back then... Just couldn't.

 

[paperwing]

Just heard a caller on HLN say she thinks JA is guilty, but she *also* believes Travis was a pedophile BECAUSE 'all he wanted was anal sex with her'.

Um... I don't know how people reach such conclusions. I really don't.

Pedophiles aren't attracted to adults - even ones that pretend/dress up to look like children - they are attracted to CHILDREN. Often gender doesn't matter to them either.

Anal sex has nothing to do with this - unless the caller is insinuating a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia which is equally wrong. Gah!

Why don't they have someone with expertise on to explain/discount such ignorant (literally - not meant as an insult) ideas? Instead they just let it hang there for other people to pick up.

Opinion is one thing, but this is something that can be refuted and accurate information provided with professional knowledge.

Ugh. Having been raised by a gay parent - and seeing NO evidence of pedophilia in this case whatsoever... these wrong presumptions really tick me off. (I know the caller didn't mention homosexuality - I added it in because it has been argued before, just to be clear).

 

[Endora27]

http://www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/action/20000313_35SI00106000.pdf

What a creep! Guess I shouldn't be a bit surprised from this defense and after Gus Searcy - I'm sure that's all they can get to take their side.