trial day 31: the defense continues it's case in chief #87

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

NG has "nice hair" again tonight.

O/T I emailed her and told her so.

 

[BritsKate]

I'm not asking anyone to judge my PTSD, and I'm not interested in a comparison between mine and anything related to JA. I was just explaining that PTSD can include memory gaps involving the precipitating event because posters have said that it's not part of PTSD or that it's not possible.

I don't mean to give JA any credit by explaining mine, but her misuse of the diagnosis doesn't mean we can't help explain various forms of it when we know them.

JA's is clearly malingering. Mine doesn't have to be judged to figure hers out. Everyone who does have PTSD with memory gaps doesn't need to be thrown under the bus by JA through her trying to hijack that form of the condition. It exists. She doesn't have it, though.

I personally thank you. You explained so eloquently what I've been trying to for more than a week. I don't have PTSD but a few years in an outreach advocacy and you see many people who do. Several of which have lamented over experiencing large memory gaps all their own - and how frightening and scary it is for them. How they grieve over birthday parties, first steps, and first days of school they can't remember from the height of their abuse. Or have terrible short term memory and can't seem to retain anything. And vicious flashbacks of things they may not fully 'grasp' as actually having happened because the memory is just so indistinct.

I fully believe this is just another self-serving lie ala Arias - but we're doing a disservice to people who have to live with the aftermath of trauma, through no fault of their own, by discounting them all just because of her too.

JMO...and thank you for sharing, Writer, truly.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Watching a replay of some of the testimony by the DT "expert" today, and there was a camera shot of JA sitting at the DT table with her head on her fist, kind of zoning out. I think this guy bores the carp out of her, even though his testimony is key to her defense. She doesn't get it does she? Her time on the stand was her chance to have her own reality show, on national TV. Now that it's not all about her, she's bored. She doesn't come across as even marginally sympathetic. This is a good thing.....thank you Ms Arias :furious:.

 

[Callisto]

It is pretty laughable when an expert giving a simple questionnaire thinks it would be hard for someone without extensive knowledge of PTSD to fake the results. I admittedly know very little about PTSD but I just did several online questionnaires trying to answer in a way to get the most PTSD-y result possible and it is easy! Maybe back in 1980 it wasn't as talked about, but mental conditions are being talked about more. There are movies featuring PTSD.. (Brothers, is one that comes to mind at the moment). The internet, easy access to this stuff! Many people fake all sorts of conditions to get what they want (pain meds, workers comp, and TESTIMONY/excuses)

Any numbskull can give someone a questionnaire and look at the results with a key to diagnose... but it takes a true professional to weed out the BULLSH1T and come up with an ACCURATE diagnosis.
MOO!

 

[Southern_Meadow]

I don't usually watch NG, but there's a doctor on tonight who's pretty much destroying the Gus Searcy look-alike.

 

[TXHoney]

Wow, did you guys see this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGYHuDDLDQ8 (Scroll to :17)

Thanks to Tawni Dilly for this video.

If I'm breaking a rule here, please tell me!

 

[AZWatcher]

Just a few observations from today. First, crime scene analysis is often used, but to testify to the physical mechanics supported by the physical evidence. I have never seen a crime scene analysis to determine what the killer was thinking when the crime was committed. Second, JM said there was no research supporting this type of testimony to a "scientific certainty". The defense countered saying there was lot's of research on this subject, dropping the term "to a scientific certainty". This is very important, there has been a lot of research into UFOs, Big Foot and the Loch Ness monster. None of it is conclusive "to a scientific certainty". I would think a polygraph test is much more proven than this mind reading technique, but it still isn't admissible as evidence because it is not proven "to a scientific certainty". Last but not least, remember this guy has been a member of the defense team since the "Ninja" defense story. I have no way of knowing if he is explaining the facts of the case, or they built their defense case around his research. So to me, what all this amounts to is another day with no testimony, an off day in the trial.

Agreed. You did bring pizza... right?

 

[Novice Seeker]

Ok what do you think fits JA more?

Common symptoms of PTSD and Complex PTSD that sufferers report experiencing


hypervigilance (feels like but is not paranoia)
exaggerated startle response
irritability
sudden angry or violent outbursts flashbacks
nightmares
intrusive recollections, replays
violent visualizations
triggers
sleep disturbance
exhaustion, adrenal fatigue and chronic fatigue
reactive depression
guilt
shame
feelings of detachment
avoidance behaviors
nervousness
anxiety
phobias about specific daily routines, events or objects
irrational or impulsive behaviour
loss of interest
loss of ambition
anhedonia (inability to feel joy and pleasure)
poor concentration
impaired memory
joint pains, muscle pains (sometimes becomes Fibromyalgia and/or Chronic Myofascial Pain)
emotional numbness
physical numbness
low self-esteem
an overwhelming sense of injustice and a strong desire to do something about it.

http://masksofsanity.blogspot.com/2009/02/ptsd-post-traumatic-stress-disorder.html

OR.......

Proponents of Psychopaths

Factor 1 — Aggressive Narcissism

1.Glibness/superficial charm
2.Grandiose sense of self-worth
3.Pathological lying
4.Cunning/manipulative
5.Lack of remorse or guilt
6.Emotionally shallow
7.Callous/lack of empathy
8.Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Factor 2 — Socially Deviant Lifestyle

1.Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
2.Parasitic lifestyle
3.Poor behavioral control
4.Promiscuous sexual behavior
5.Lack of realistic, long-term goals
6.Impulsiveness
7.Irresponsibility
8.Juvenile delinquency
9.Early behavioral problems
10.Revocation of conditional release

Traits not correlated with either factor

1.Many short-term marital relationships
2.Criminal versatility

http://country-of-liars.com/about/traits/


Need we say more???

I'll take Factor 2 for $1000.00 please:fence:

 

[katiedid2]

Lol even a shrink on Hln thinks he's a quack! His diagnosis doesn't make sense! Go get him juan

 

[buckeyefan1]

I wasn't home most of the day and cannot stomach watching this joker. NG said that said joker claims that sex can cause memory loss. That explains why JA is always in a fog!

 

[Meemaw12]

She said she would not tell them she was suicidal because they would make her sit naked in a cell for some undetermined amount of time.

Ok since when does she consider that bad? Court is the first time I've seen her clothed...

have to, have to LOL....

 

[Lupie43]

Can't listen to the psychobabble on my DVR,
Gonna go make the kids some chicken and dumplings and count down 3 days til George Strait at Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plpp&v=xW0Ql4t-CGk

O/T....Chicken and dumplings-yum...homemade?

 

[popsicle]

I'm not asking anyone to judge my PTSD, and I'm not interested in a comparison between mine and anything related to JA. I was just explaining that PTSD can include memory gaps involving the precipitating event because posters have said that it's not part of PTSD or that it's not possible.

I don't mean to give JA any credit by explaining mine, but her misuse of the diagnosis doesn't mean we can't help explain various forms of it when we know them.

JA's is clearly malingering. Mine doesn't have to be judged to figure hers out. Everyone who does have PTSD with memory gaps doesn't need to be thrown under the bus by JA through her trying to hijack that form of the condition. It exists. She doesn't have it, though.

You are correct and thanks for sharing your experience Writer.

 

[paperwing]

I personally thank you. You explained so eloquently what I've been trying to for more than a week. I don't have PTSD but a few years in an outreach advocacy and you see many people who do. Several of which have lamented over experiencing large memory gaps all their own - and how frightening and scary it is for them. How they grieve over birthday parties, first steps, and first days of school they can't remember from the height of their abuse. Or have terrible short term memory and can't seem to retain anything. And vicious flashbacks of things they may not fully 'grasp' as actually having happened because the memory is just so indistinct.

I fully believe this is just another self-serving lie ala Arias - but we're doing a disservice to people who have to live with the aftermath of trauma, through no fault of their own, by discounting them all just because of her too.

JMO...and thank you for sharing, Writer, truly.

Thank you - and bbm.

The feelings of guilt I have regarding my 2nd child's first years has been overwhelming. Having it explained to me (finally) provided some relief, but the grief - and some guilt - is still there. It's a huge loss. Added on to the other symptoms - it's awful. eta Thank you and writer7...

 

[kscornfed]

Did u guys catch this dialogue?

JW: How do we know she wasn't able to tell anybody vs. she just doesn't want to get in any trouble?

RS: I guess that could be an alternative explanation, but when something horrible like that happens - can you imagine the feeling of isolation, if you can't turn to a parent? If you can't turn to a friend? If you can't turn to a professional to seek some help? The turmoil must have been incredible so i consider that to be a significant indication that she suffered from that disorder.


Me: WHAT?!?!?!? You didn't answer the question. And your diagnosis is based on your projection of what you thought she went thru?

Revoke his license! Worst shrink ever.

I hope the jury was as horrified by that bunch of drivel as we are. "Oh, killer who wants to get away with your crime! How sad is it that you can't tell anyone what you've done!! What a burden that must be to carry alone!"

That's the reality of what he's saying.

And IF you buy JA's story of self defense, then she ABSOLUTELY COULD have told somebody. Like the police. Like on day ONE!

 

[Clue Finder 55]

I just watched this Dr Samual again and I wonder if he would be up on that stand spewing his horse sh-t if it was his wife or son or daughter that was bucherd like Travis was.
Test results on 29 people (that makes it carved in stone).They test aspirin on thousands of people before that is released to the public.
I have a hard time buying anything both defence or prosecution that comes out of a highly paid talking head.
I wonder for example if a guy like this would let Jodi move in with his family if she was released.
They will get up on a stand and say any kind of crap for the almighty dollar.Guilt or innocense means nothing to these pukes as it all depends who is paying them.
How can he compare her to a police man or armed forces in a stressfull situation.
This guy is a disgusting piece of humanity as far as I'm concerned.
At least we all know why the defence team was incouraging the fog bit everytime Jodi was on the stand with the prosecution.

 

[ElleElle]

Now HLN just said Dr Samuels read of all Jodi' journals to come up with the PTSD diagnosis... nice.

What about the stalking/obsessiveness? The "little girl" act? The jumping from guy-guy and job-job? The lies !!!!

It's the meek attempt at explaining away jodi's convenient FOG.

He really needs to explain the :convenience" part of it.

 

[Ricki]

Ricki - your link didn't work for me

Try this, If it doesn't work you can find it on page 4 of this thread post 151, That one just worked for me.

http://www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/act...SI00106000.pdf

 

[Colt46]

I wonder if psychopaths like Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, and Jeffrey Dahmer all suffered from PTSD. This one even bought another gun within days of murdering poor Travis. My guess is she needed protection in case one of Travis's relatives or friends came looking for to seek vigilante justice for Travis. I think she would have killed anyone who got in her way. She was such a drifter, it wouldn't surprise me if she was planning to run to Mexico to hide out.

All of her 'testimony' was patterned around Samuels report because she was most likely given a copy to read. Either that, or KN supplied her with the talking points. The only thing she wasn't supplied with was an acting coach - she's the worst actress...ever!

 

[marciec]

Just a few observations from today. First, crime scene analysis is often used, but to testify to the physical mechanics supported by the physical evidence. I have never seen a crime scene analysis to determine what the killer was thinking when the crime was committed. Second, JM said there was no research supporting this type of testimony to a "scientific certainty". The defense countered saying there was lot's of research on this subject, dropping the term "to a scientific certainty". This is very important, there has been a lot of research into UFOs, Big Foot and the Loch Ness monster. None of it is conclusive "to a scientific certainty". I would think a polygraph test is much more proven than this mind reading technique, but it still isn't admissible as evidence because it is not proven "to a scientific certainty". Last but not least, remember this guy has been a member of the defense team since the "Ninja" defense story. I have no way of knowing if he is explaining the facts of the case, or they built their defense case around his research. So to me, what all this amounts to is another day with no testimony, an off day in the trial.

And remember, he testified today that he & Nurmi "confronted" her in jail about the ninja story ~ and (he actually said) they had what mental health experts call a.... "breakthrough". IMO, this guy has done one thing - collude with Jodi on exactly WHAT to say, HOW to appear, and HOW to behave in front of this jury. He's made some of the very same statements she's made on the stand. This jury isn't stupid.