trial day 34: the defense continues it's case in chief #98

[LaneGirl]

I thought there was something in there about meeting force with "like" force?

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[Dum-Dum Sucker]

:floorlaugh: Commenting on Arias whipping her hair around in the interrogation room while handcuffed,,,Nancy Grace says, "It looks like a commercial for Herbal Essence!"

 

[katydid23]

Do you think they were able to go over the questions with Samuels?? I thought the only reason they were discussed with Arias was to "aid in her defense". Is that correct?

I think he got the chance to look them over.

I don't know what the laws are about the juror questions though.

 

[paperwing]

Great list, Pensfan...

I'll add a couple:

- How often do you or your colleagues personally write out your client's test answers by hand on a legal pad rather than use the actual form that the client filled out themselves?

- Since you made several 'typos' that, if left as is, would have NOT resulted in a diagnosis of PTSD, how can we be sure that you haven't made other mistakes or typos that are this significant but have not been corrected?

- If the DSM-IV contained information that was known to be false, fake, misleading and/or made up,.. would you still use it as a diagnostic guide?

- Since you have made a diagnosis pertaining to JA, why did you not ensure that she received treatment? Or if you did, was treatment successful? How long did it last?

- Do you know if JA was evaluated upon incarceration, long before you first saw her? If so, why would her PTSD, or some signs indicating a problem go unrecognized by any mental health evaluation before yours?

- In evaluating JA, did you consider her to be a normal individual who suffered some trauma, or did you consider her to be abnormal (emotionally) who could fake trauma symptoms in order to avoid serious consequences?

- What is your experience with psychopathy/sociopathy? What behaviours indicate (to you) that someone may fall in this category?

- How can JA be so traumatized by the killing of Mr. Alexander and not be deemed in need of extensive treatment/observation?

- How did JA 'cure' herself of being suicidal and having severe depression, low self-esteem, especially AFTER being incarcerated, something one would think might *produce* such feelings or intensify them?

 

[legalmania]

There are two charges right now. 1st degree and felony murder. According to the verified attorneys, or at least one of them, the lesser includeds can be charged if warranted at the close of evidence. I believe that to be true because one of the cases Juan tried as 1st degree was later charged as 2nd degree or man (can't remember which) over the defense's objection. The defense's position was that the State charged 1st degree so should prove it. It was the case of the Suns' nutritionist and his ex-wife I think

I just looked at her court records and the only charge listed is 1st degree. Here is the meaning of first degree. I think it may have the same meaning of felony murder.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/01105.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

 

[Schuby]

Great list, Pensfan...

I'll add a couple:

- How often do you or your colleagues personally write out your client's test answers by hand on a legal pad rather than use the actual form that the client filled out themselves?

- Since you made several 'typos' that, if left as is, would have NOT resulted in a diagnosis of PTSD, how can we be sure that you haven't made other mistakes or typos that are this significant but have not been corrected?

- If the DSM-IV contained information that was known to be false, fake, misleading and/or made up,.. would you still use it as a diagnostic guide?

- Since you have made a diagnosis pertaining to JA, why did you not ensure that she received treatment? Or if you did, was treatment successful? How long did it last?

- Do you know if JA was evaluated upon incarceration, long before you first saw her? If so, why would her PTSD, or some signs indicating a problem go unrecognized by any mental health evaluation before yours?

- In evaluating JA, did you consider her to be a normal individual who suffered some trauma, or did you consider her to be abnormal (emotionally) who could fake trauma symptoms in order to avoid serious consequences?

- What is your experience with psychopathy/sociopathy? What behaviours indicate (to you) that someone may fall in this category?

- How can JA be so traumatized by the killing of Mr. Alexander and not be deemed in need of extensive treatment/observation?

- How did JA 'cure' herself of being suicidal and having severe depression, low self-esteem, especially AFTER being incarcerated, something one would think might *produce* such feelings or intensify them?

Great post. Love the sociopath/psychopath question.

 

[Karmady]

I just looked at her court records and the only charge listed is 1st degree. Here is the meaning of first degree. I think it may have the same meaning of felony murder.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/01105.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

If you're trying to say that 1st degree is the only charge pending because that's what it says on the electronic docket, that would be mistaken. I'm sure others can vouch for the fact that the State charged and fought hard to keep its felony murder charge.

eta: the charges are not similar

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Another question might be "Why did you refuse to provide to the court the ORIGINAL raw data and JA's answers to questions on the tests?"

 

[LaneGirl]

I just looked at her court records and the only charge listed is 1st degree. Here is the meaning of first degree. I think it may have the same meaning of felony murder.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/01105.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

Thank you I've been looking for this reference all night.

 

[Schuby]

How about, "How many cases of Global Transient Amnesia have you observed?"

 

[G&AMom]

Couldn't sleep. Come to see what the nightowls are doing. :seeya:

 

[Schuby]

Couldn't sleep. Come to see what the nightowls are doing. :seeya:

Welcome back!

 

[LaneGirl]

If you're trying to say that 1st degree is the only charge pending because that's what it says on the electronic docket, that would be mistaken. I'm sure others can vouch for the fact that the State charged and fought hard to keep its felony murder charge.

eta: the charges are not similar

They have different descriptions but both fall under 1st degree e.g. 1st degree premed and 1st degree felony. I believe that is the way its worded on the indictment or the charges. I'm trying to locate a link. However you are also correct I just think they both fall under 1st degree.

 

[katydid23]

Actually sadly, I heard one old woman call-into Vinnie Politan's daytime HLN show and she was convinced Travis was a pedophile solely because he did anal sex. So in her book pervert(anal sex)=pedophile.

OMG. At least she hasn't said THAT ^^^. I would probably lose it.

She is a young, educated, intelligent woman. She has not followed the case that closely but she is really into battered woman's syndrome because her mother was a victim. So she is not very objective.

I just hope there is not anyone on the jury like that.

 

[LaneGirl]

If you're trying to say that 1st degree is the only charge pending because that's what it says on the electronic docket, that would be mistaken. I'm sure others can vouch for the fact that the State charged and fought hard to keep its felony murder charge.

eta: the charges are not similar

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/109828551/Jodi-Arias-Court-Documents

Page 3 - 1st degree premed and 1st degree felony.

We were all correct.

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

I'm so happy you find relief with Excedrin! I wish it would work for me. Unfortunately, mine don't go away without the prescription medicine and even with it, they can last for days. I feel your pain.

I referenced Aspirin because it was rumored to be the pill JA took yesterday in court. Then, we have JA hoarding the Motrin/Advil for her Bic suicide attempt.

I still don't understand how the jail/court would allow a prisoner to take something in court without supervision. They are allowing this after she testilies to stocking up on Advil/Motrin to commit suicide.

I have had migraines since I was 12, I am now 42. The only thing that helps, when I get a terrible one, is Fiorinal. I try to take Exedrine or BC first, but if it persists...I take Fiorinal.

I just had one recently, it was behind my right eye and lasted for days! I feel so sorry for people that suffer from them. My son just turned 12 and I am praying he doesn't start getting them

 

[legalmania]

If you're trying to say that 1st degree is the only charge pending because that's what it says on the electronic docket, that would be mistaken. I'm sure others can vouch for the fact that the State charged and fought hard to keep its felony murder charge.

eta: the charges are not similar

They are similar here is the explanation:

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2011/08/difference-between-first-second-degree-murder.html

 

[magpie]

Guys, it starts at 10:30 AZ time! Same as everyday! Don't be late, you'll kick yourselves!

Thank you! I have finally figured out that means 12:30 Central time for Texas. :blushing: It took me long enough. I hate time zones.

 

[Karmady]

They have different descriptions but both fall under 1st degree e.g. 1st degree premed and 1st degree felony. I believe that is the way its worded on the indictment or the charges. I'm trying to locate a link. However you are also correct I just think they both fall under 1st degree.

oh, ok, I see your point. They're both first degree but the proofs are mostly different.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Sentence of death or life imprisonment; aggravating and mitigating circumstances; definition

http://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/00751.htm