trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #122

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  • #941
Regarding a question on why the defendant chose to leave her parents home.

Willmott: Objection, relevance, speculation, it's a FAIRYTALE
:laughcry:

Second most honest thing you have said Willmott, right after Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander, there is no question about it.

Objection, it's a fairytale

That was hilarious. I laughed so hard. Objection: relevance, speculation...fairytale.

She had like two objections like that where she just threw out random grounds (also "Objection: relevance, argumentative, lack of foundation?"). She sounded all in a tizzzy.
 
  • #942
I clearly heard (with earbuds in) Juan remind the Judge that she wanted to speak to Miss Laviolette in private. Now, the Judge may have also said she wanted to speak to counsel as well but the Judge DID say that she would speak to Laviolette in the hall or something to that effect. If need be I can go back to the youtube of the days proceedings to recheck and then post the video here.

No no no no, no need to post it! I stand corrected.
 
  • #943
My spidey sense tells me that LaViolette has not seen the gruesome photos that we have.

Based on my experience with the self-involvement of expert witnesses, they are totally focused on their expertise, their research, their billing and their schedule of appearances and deadlines. I managed all of those elements during my career in the legal support field.

You can be sure she was not the first choice for an expert, she was probably the only one who knew nothing about the case. You heard her say she didn't bother with email and other fancy nonsense, just good old fashioned paper.

Unless she has a subscription to the Arizona newspaper (why would she?) she hasn't had the news blitz that we've all had for months about this case. She's been in Europe or in Asia giving lectures. She has a schedule. She has a book tour.

SHE IS NOT INFORMED ABOUT THIS CASE. I would bet money on it. I've expressed my disdain for her ethics in agreeing to misrepresent a victim as a perpetrator, but she is going to pay for it by losing her career.

And that's enough. Just get her off the podiums and put someone up there who can advise victims on how to handle social media stalking.

AND did anyone hear where ALV said "Jodi has naked pictures out there,( I think she meant on the internet?), and how is she suppose to cope with something like that?" Who the hell does she think PUT those photos out there? She is so uninformed, if she were a real Doctor I'd sue for malpractice.
 
  • #944
Can you imagine how frustrated TA had to have been with all the stuff JA had done and was doing to him? I applaud him for not clockin her proper. I do believe he banged his head against the doorway....who the heck wouldn't? I bet she drove him bat stick crazy. And yet, he never put a hand on her. We know he didn't. And that tells you what kind of man he was (is). He had a healthy sex drive and overactive hormones. He won the bedroom lottery...so what? I don't think he ever imagined she was this evil, even in that rant to her. He saw a glimpse but he never imagined how truly evil she is.

Travis does seem to have a temper. He seems to talk to a lot of women. He is overly dramatic at times. Big deal.

On the day that this "domestic abuser" could have really beaten Jodi up, HE is the one who gets killed and she has only a finger cut?

Whatever, Jodi.
 
  • #945
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  • #946
I'm believing she was in an abusive relationship where she was on the receiving end and trying to extricate herself from it.

I'm still not sure what happened that day in the light of this or what can be proven about it. The trial's not over yet. But, JM has to get his act together or he's going to completely lose me. You can't bully the truth.

IMO
I personally think that they both suffered because of mutual abuse, but that doesn't negate the fact that this was premeditated, plain and simple.

They were both drawn to each other. In fact, one of TA's sisters stated in an interview that "she was like a drug to him." He was addicted to her and he deceived her and betrayed her, but it doesn't warrant death. And especially the way that he died.
I think she will get 1st degree, but I don't think this jury is going to give her the DP. I think they will find that there were mitigating circumstances.

I personally don't believe in killing anyone. But I also believe that life w/o parole should mean just that. Also, if she gets the DP, it will cost the state millions more in mandatory appeals, courtesy of the state. And then there is a chance that it will never happen anyway. Life w/o parole means if she wants to appeal, she has to find her own funding. Or write her own appeals, which many do.
 
  • #947
I'm glad that you're giving voice to an unpopular opinion. I agree with you that the text messages, emails, etc. show evidence of emotional and verbal abuse toward Jodi. Even if Travis had a good reason to be angry with her, he was very ready and able to be cruel. His words dehumanized her more than they expressed his own feelings of betrayal, pain, and anger. The words he wrote were meant to not only to reject her--which was his right--but to annihilate her completely.

Why is this so hard to accept, even with the proof in black and white? Why do people seem to think that acknowledging the truth of Travis' emotional violence automatically means excusing Jodi's exteme violence? It doesn't and it won't. She killed a man, and it doesn't look at all like she did it in self defense. But, if Jodi is a sick woman who got sicker because of this relationship, this is something that has to be heard. The truth still matters. Hatred for the liar, the killer, however natural that may be, can't negate the evidence. And, yes, even the fact that she did the worst thing possible can't negate the evidence. It is a deliberate act of intellectual dishonesty to allow hatred to blot out facts.

Take Jodi out of the equation, and what we're left with here is a lot of people saying that the only "real" abuse there is is the kind that leaves physical marks; the rest, though equally damaging, is being minimized or denied. People say that Jodi herself is insulting victims of intimate partner violence, but I see the insult happening right here, on these boards.

You heard the defense cherry pick ONE of the persons words, and completely leave out the others words and the actions that precipitated those angry words.

You have also heard many kind and thoughtful things this same person has said and done for this other person and for many other people.

I think we should wait and hear the other side of the conversation and the situation before we jump to the conclusion that TA was a monster. JMO
 
  • #948
Give that grizz a big bearhug for me. Stay away from the ketchup, though.
 
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That was hilarious. I laughed so hard. Objection: relevance, speculation...fairytale.

She had like two objections like that where she just threw out random grounds (also "Objection: relevance, argumentative, lack of foundation?"). She sounded all in a tizzzy.

I laughed out loud when I heard her and said my own finish for her....


relevance, argumentative, lack of foundation, and A PARTRIDGE IN A PEAR TREE!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
 
  • #951
I think it is interesting that for 8 days we listened to ALV rattle on about JA and all her behaviours that led to her being in an abusive relantionship. Then it comes to the murder of JA and she spends 10 minutes and for all intents and purposes she just repeats JA's story.

Now what I wonder is why didn't JW have her testify about what happened after the murder of TA. What about her going to the home of another man and taking part in another sexual encounter with an actual total stranger.

Why didn't she have an opinion on that. Is that part of an abused woman's behaviour? Or a Black Widow? jmo
 
  • #952
His criticisms are monotonous, and monotonously off base. He keeps saying that JM never varies his tone. That's blatantly false. JM mostly talks with a calm, cordial voice. He occasionally affects hostility or impatience, but in suitable moments when the witness has it coming because of evasiveness. And the Snow White angle makes perfect sense, even if the THs are too stupid to get it.

Yeah, I thought they were seriously unfair with him today. He started out very calm with her today and she got testy with him RIGHT away. That's when the gloves came off. And she just would not answer a question. The only reason the Snow White questioning got off track was she wouldn't answer honestly. I thought it was brilliant.
 
  • #953
she's a free citizen, not a criminal and has every right to go anywhere the general public can. I really don't get this hatred for this poor woman who was seemingly a diligent juror who was likely targeted by the defense for just that reason. Give the chick a break. She hasn't done anything wrong. The only criminal is Jodi. If this woman wanted money she would have been on every morning show the first day.

Seems to be a few of these kinds of posts floating around tonight, Boytwnmom. I've just stopped paying attention.
 
  • #954
Snow White all over the place, huh?

Did you know Snow White was 7 years old when the Wicked Queen decided she needed killing?
She escapes by saying she will run away and never come back?
She sneaks into the home of seven little men, eats all their food, tries out all their beds, and falls asleep until they come home and find her there?
She agrees to clean the house if she can stay?
She loses consciousness on three separate occasions when she is attacked?
And she eventually sees her rival drop dead from torture?

But I cannot find anyplace where she is battered or abused by Prince Charming.
Huh? :dunno:

Nor does she murder him and then make up three different stories about it.

Looks like JA has more in common with the wicked stepmother than with Snow White.
 
  • #955
I think her operation was on the other side and higher up, KWIM? :what: But you're right, she needs a tuneup there too. One side's a bit, uhm, deflated. ;)

LAUGH OUT LOUD! WTH is up with the Dad quote? I missed that but nothing would surprise me about JA, nothing.
 
  • #956
the courtroom. How many people has Mark put on death row? It's real easy to spout off on the Teevee about what you'd do differently but I don't think Mark, as nice as he seems, could do half the job Juan is doing and has done.

Mark is a lawyer who likes to be on the teevee. Juan is a dedicated prosecutor who isn't trying for media gigs. Juan has an amazing record. Mark is on lots of shows.



Criminal Defense Attorney, Former Prosecutor, Adjunct Law Professor at Univ. of Miami and so much more.....
 
  • #957
And her passport, and her plants...OFGS.....

:what:

And she forgot the porcelain angel that Travis gave her for helping him put boxes in his attic.

Always something to return for. No matter day or night,
 
  • #958
Thanks mods..rough night.....
we appreciate everything though! :loveyou:
 
  • #959
AND did anyone hear where ALV said "Jodi has naked pictures out there,( I think she meant on the internet?), and how is she suppose to cope with something like that?" Who the hell does she think PUT those photos out there? She is so uninformed, if she were a real Doctor I'd sue for malpractice.

Notice how they didn't dissect the sex tape? How would ALV have spun that around, given what the defendant said voluntarily. She was at the very least as culpable if not the instigator.

Guess that was TA using mind control to transform a meek, mild, Christ-like waif into a smut peddling, 🤬🤬🤬🤬 star/sex slave.

I'll stand alone in this if I have to, but after what she's done I hope JM DOESN'T hold back. She should be softballed? BS. Ask TA how much mercy he was shown during and after the murder.
 
  • #960
I think it is interesting that for 8 days we listened to ALV rattle on about JA and all her behaviours that led to her being in an abusive relantionship. Then it comes to the murder of JA and she spends 10 minutes and for all intents and purposes she just repeats JA's story.

Now what I wonder is why didn't JW have her testify about what happened after the murder of TA. What about her going to the home of another man and taking part in another sexual encounter with an actual total stranger.

Why didn't she have an opinion on that. Is that part of an abused woman's behaviour? Or a Black Widow? jmo

She didn't want to talk about THAT---might not sound good.
 
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