trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #122

[zaza]

I just watched JM's Snow White cross for the second time and I think he managed a brilliant beginning to impeaching ALV. His last statement was, " what you're saying is that even though this involved adults and you did say that Snow White was a battered woman, which would imply that she was involved with a man as an adult, right? you're saying that, disregard that now, right? Because it doesn't mean what it says."
WHAMO! He's starting off right away using her words to expose that ALV is a fraud and that her life's work is a made up fairy tale. Wow, what a shame for ALV. I guess that's the chance you take when you are an witness for the defense. I can only imagine more of the same next week. Amazing.

 

[ClosArgs]

JW also asked ALV if she has memory problems. :facepalm:

And it wouldn't be a Juan cross without it.

 

[Sherazhad]

Because ALV has had a lot of experience with liars. Abused women lie to everyone all the time.

Because ALV has had a lot of experience with psychopaths. Psychopaths are ace abusers. She never calls Jodi a psychopath after 44 hours of interviews.

Because ALV had access to real time conversations, thousands of words between them, as well as conversations with others, and private writings of both, and knows how to analyze them as an objective observer.

IMO

It's news to me that ALV has had a lot of experience with psychopaths & I've been through her CV. And don't forgot the journal entries she quoted were what Jodi allegedly tore out- or faked. This woman based most of her testimony on Jodi's own words- i.e. she said Travis was a paedophile based on what other evidence than from Jodi's own lips? Everyone can take text messages & the written word & argue it means what you want it to, as you don't hear the tone of voice or context it was written in. And please!!! It is not abusive to ask someone to free up their voice mails. I think anyone who has ever been in a relationship has said through this quack's testimony ''I didn't know I was an abuser, being abused'', because her idea of abuse is laughable. She is a man-hating, decades out of date woman who is accusing a man of abuse who was actually the victim! How's about this:
-Jodi hacked in to Travis' hotmail etc.: evidence of abuse according to Al.
-All of Travis' friends who were actually there to witness the relationship, unlike Al, thought Jodi was a stalker, who turned up at times she wasn't invited & wouldn't leave.
-Many of Jodi's own messages paint her as a passive agressive stalker who would not leave him alone.
-Jodi has a history of violence with her own mother long before she met Travis.
-Even if the jury don't know this Al does: Jodi has been accused of confronting Travis' girlfriends & warning them off, slashing Travis' tyres & writing abusive letters to women he was seeing.
-Oh and the little matter of Travis being stabbed numerous times, including in the back, nearly decapitated & shot in the head, all whilst being slippery wet & naked from the shower. Meanwhile Jodi skipped off for a playdate with another man to grind on his lap. Her only evidence of injury is a wonky finger. And let's not forget her own testimony of running past the stairs to get an imaginary gun from the top of the immaculately undisturbed closet.
-I didn't hear Al address any of these things. How strange....

 

[deedee21]

Strange, but some people are afraid of ignorant people. One thing is for sure, this is their alternate reality and laughter will turn to tears. This is temporary.

 

[cubbeegirl]

I'm glad that you're giving voice to an unpopular opinion. I agree with you that the text messages, emails, etc. show evidence of emotional and verbal abuse toward Jodi. Even if Travis had a good reason to be angry with her, he was very ready and able to be cruel. His words dehumanized her more than they expressed his own feelings of betrayal, pain, and anger. The words he wrote were meant to not only to reject her--which was his right--but to annihilate her completely.

Why is this so hard to accept, even with the proof in black and white? Why do people seem to think that acknowledging the truth of Travis' emotional violence automatically means excusing Jodi's exteme violence? It doesn't and it won't. She killed a man, and it doesn't look at all like she did it in self defense. But, if Jodi is a sick woman who got sicker because of this relationship, this is something that has to be heard. The truth still matters. Hatred for the liar, the killer, however natural that may be, can't negate the evidence. And, yes, even the fact that she did the worst thing possible can't negate the evidence. It is a deliberate act of intellectual dishonesty to allow hatred to blot out facts.

Take Jodi out of the equation, and what we're left with here is a lot of people saying that the only "real" abuse there is is the kind that leaves physical marks; the rest, though equally damaging, is being minimized or denied. People say that Jodi herself is insulting victims of intimate partner violence, but I see the insult happening right here, on these boards.

I was a victim of Domestic Violence/Abuse...both verbal and physical. I got myself and my son out of that situation by the grace of God.
I was stalked, spied upon, lied to... you name it... I can tell you that if anyone were to read my e-mails, texts, and listen to the voicemails that were left by ME during the end of that relationship...I just might be the one that they thought was the abuser. My buttons were pushed so badly and I was so frustrated,scared, penniless, and just plain tired of the situation by that point... so yeah... I can see how Travis could send the txt and emails he did do Jodi... that is what abusers do ( and I do believe that Jodi was the abuser) ... ( also do not think Travis was an angel...that doesnt matter)...he had had it with her crap...he was fed up...done.. she pushed his buttons and got under his skin until he lost his cool and let her have it verbally... I myself have done the same..IMO the txt and emails do not prove Travis to be an abuser...I am seeing it as he was just FED UP !! But... we all are entitled to our opinions....
Besides, Travis is not on trial here...( not suppose to be anyway) Travis is the victim here...the one who got stabbed 29 times, his throat slit, and shot in the head and left to rot in his own shower stall, while little miss abused was covering her tracks by leaving voicemails for him and grinding on her new main squeeze...jmo

 

[Karmady]

This my friends is absolutely unacceptable and I, for one am outraged at just what the hell is going on in this court of criminal law that is in the process of prosecuting, convicting, and putting to death a human being(and yes, I hate having to admit this soulless creature on trial in the end is a human being).. but these above proof positive inappropriate OUTRIGHT OPEN DISPLAYS..THEY damn well are actual offenses for which these ppl in the gallery can be slapped with charges and jail time.. i am outraged!

you mean to tell me they drag these victims in chambers and demand they remove ribbons worn honoring their slaughteredloved one, and yet these ppl have free reign to abuse, disrespect, and literally display such open disregard for this court and the mockery their making of JJS and her courtroom..

i now see exactly who ALV was playing to with her open mockery and full load of snark towards Juan.. i now see she has the full Apple Dumpling Gang egging her on from the courts gallery..

i want to ask one question.. ask yourselves if this behavior and antics were dare displayed on the opposite of that gallery where Travis' family sits?..what all out full war of adamant DEMANDS FOR mistrial WOULD BE DEMANDED FROM THIS DEFENDANT AND HER COUNSEL.

PLEASE PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW IS THIS ALLOWED?

the jury's gone

 

[Straitfan]

If I had a nickel for every time ive said this I would be rich LOl To me his unprofessional combative stance and attack mode approach of crossing has only risks and no benefit other than to impress his fans. I would much rather have a normal civil servant like the rest of the prosecutors ive seen in the past. There simply is no reason to act this way and it may come back to bite him with a 2nd degree instead of a 1st. If this happens you will have him to thank.

Personally I think it is terribly disrespectable and frankly un heard of and that is why we have never seen such nonsense in court before. I would venture to say he rubs jurors the wrong way and like I said it is not worth the risk in a death penalty case. I agree with you fully

And I agree with you! Bad mistake on his part, IMO. And like you, I have NEVER in all the trials I've watched seen one act like him. Each day that he talks, I get more convinced of the damage it's doing. (And I would not want to be his wife, geezzz, can you imagine?)

 

[Sleuth5]

Strange, but some people are afraid of ignorant people. One thing is for sure, this is their alternate reality and laughter will turn to tears. This is temporary.

BBM With or without pitchforks and torches?

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Agreed!! This is a no-brainer.

yes, because it makes me nervous when he wants to take her down a path on the stand and she ain't buyin it. Then he tries again, she acts like she doesn't know what he's talking about.

This is throwing off his momentum. He should have a Plan B and just bait and switch, ditch that line and run with another, bam bam bam.. but move on if she wont take the bait. The jury gets the idea by virtue of his asking.

I know he knows what he wants to do and knows so much more than we think! I just like it to come out in a steady stream.

She was not going for the Snow White thing and I fully admit when she smirked and said "that was JUST a catchy name" she had me going.

That's a lie, that Snow White gal is a running theme with her when I googled it...

It's deceptive things like that she does on the stand that have me fully convinced not to feel sorry for her, she can more than handle herself.

Snow White is NOT just a catchy name to her.

 

[AngelWings444]

ullhair: Another thing I hate is when this witness says over and over "Mr. Martinez" ... he knows his name, he doesn't have to hear it every 20 seconds, and neither do I.
:banghead:

Yet, she never says the same to JW. This will not be lost on the jury. She lost the jury at the very beginning of cross. "Experts" should be professional, she is not! JMO

 

[SAgal]

Because ALV has had a lot of experience with liars. Abused women lie to everyone all the time.

Because ALV has had a lot of experience with psychopaths. Psychopaths are ace abusers. She never calls Jodi a psychopath after 44 hours of interviews.

Because ALV had access to real time conversations, thousands of words between them, as well as conversations with others, and private writings of both, and knows how to analyze them as an objective observer.

IMO

ALV testified today, while being questioned by Mr. Martinez: She did not have any conversations with others....she only talked to Jodi Arias.

 

[Steely Dan]

Thanks Tiger09 and Veritas Vita for the JA afternoon heads up. I'm listening to it now. I skipped ahead to JM's cross, but caught the tail end of Wilmott's direct and she says something like; "Let's get this out of the way. You sent her four books and a magazine subscription to her while she was in jail, right? You have no feelings for the defendant do you?"

:laughcry: :laughcry:

I'm still watching and haven't read any posts yet, but I wish I'd been warned not to eat or drink anything during this cross. (I know, I know. I should already know that.) When Alyce asks him if he's angry with her I had to clean off my computer screen. I'm positive she's going to be thinking he goes home and batters his wife for the rest of her life. :banghead:

 

[deedee21]

Molly, she did not move to Arizona until they broke up. Molly, she moved back to Cali. because he said it was over for good. Molly, he cancelled two trips to go and see her. Molly,thats because he really did not want to see her. Molly, he told a Dr friend of his"if I am found dead one day, Jodi did it.' Jidi realizes Its over and that is why he is dead. Molly, jodis mother said when she heard Travis was killed, she asked her daughter if she did it. Why do you think this is so? No matter what you think of aTravis, this was not a self defense killing .ASK HER MOTHER

Strange, but some people are afraid of ignorant people. One thing is for sure, this is their alternate reality and laughter will turn to tears. This is temporary.

This was in response to SmoothOperators post. Your post is right on.

 

[BritsKate]

I have never bared my soul to any significant extent here, as I find that kind of thing inappropriate as a rule. However, many of these posts have touched me personally.

I realize that I am often flippant and like to have a good time here. But I was very badly abused as a child, and witnessed the same and worse to my mother into my teens. I feel exactly as you do, BritsKate. I know what abuse is really like, and I know how people talk about it (or don't) when it as really happened to them. I know what it's like to be terrified to go home and to live in fear every time you hear the door open because you don't know what's coming next.

To say that this noxious display of obvious falsity has been deeply and personally insulting is an understatement. After all of these years (I am now 55), I am still ashamed to admit that I was beaten as a child. It leaves permanent scars which have held me back in many ways. When I look at the smug expression on that person's face I cannot help but feel resentment, the moreso because I know full well she cannot begin to comprehend what genuine abuse is really about.

I appreciate your courage in speaking out. You have given me the courage to do the same, as I want to lend my voice to yours in indignation.

:cow:

:hug:

I'm so sorry for what you endured, Sleuth, and pray you'll know peace from the shame. You were a baby - you did nothing wrong - and it was up to the adults to protect you, not hurt you. They failed you. It can be horribly painful to relive old wounds - your bravery is amazing! :clap: Thank you so much for sharing what you have - it really means a lot to me personally. :blowkiss:

 

[TigerBalm]

There's another case of long-distance domestic violence that culminated in murder too. Venus Stewart was doing everything 'right'. She'd left her abuser, moved home to her parents, filed for divorce, got a restraining order, had the police reports, and was insistent to be careful with contact.

Her husband traveled across several states after she'd left to murder her. Her body still has yet to be located and her daughters are being raised by her parents. He, however, was convicted of her murder.

It kind of puts into perspective the 'norm' for abusers to escalate violence when their victims leave, even when there's a great geographical distance.

He also convinced Ricky Spencer that Venus was abusing the kids and he had to protect them.
So Ricky posed as Doug Stewart in VA, while Doug went off on his murder drive to Michigan.
Not once but twice b/c the first trip Doug got a speeding ticket and had to try again later.

He is one disgusting individual, just like this defendant.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
I had such a rotten day at work (psych ER) and this just...killed me because it is so true...THAT I would have believed, considering just the little bit I have seen of what bath salts can do to someone.

Oh wow my girlfriend in OR is also and I send her Bath Salt articles "another victim loses a limb to a crazed person on bath salts"

she has some long days like you!

 

[Truth Detector]

Because ALV has had a lot of experience with liars. Abused women lie to everyone all the time.

Because ALV has had a lot of experience with psychopaths. Psychopaths are ace abusers. She never calls Jodi a psychopath after 44 hours of interviews.

Because ALV had access to real time conversations, thousands of words between them, as well as conversations with others, and private writings of both, and knows how to analyze them as an objective observer.

IMO

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Objective? :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

It's amazing what you can look past to see that $250/hour.

 

[deedee21]

I must of accidently hit a button and brought up a post from earlier today I wrote. The second one is for SmoothOperator.

 

[Lorelilly]

I personally think that they both suffered because of mutual abuse, but that doesn't negate the fact that this was premeditated, plain and simple.

They were both drawn to each other. In fact, one of TA's sisters stated in an interview that "she was like a drug to him." He was addicted to her and he deceived her and betrayed her, but it doesn't warrant death. And especially the way that he died.
I think she will get 1st degree, but I don't think this jury is going to give her the DP. I think they will find that there were mitigating circumstances.

I personally don't believe in killing anyone. But I also believe that life w/o parole should mean just that. Also, if she gets the DP, it will cost the state millions more in mandatory appeals, courtesy of the state. And then there is a chance that it will never happen anyway. Life w/o parole means if she wants to appeal, she has to find her own funding. Or write her own appeals, which many do.

I don't have a problem with LWOP at all. In fact, if this weren't a Death Penalty case it would have been over in three weeks tops. Now, would the family have been better off by not having to sit there for 3 months? I don't know but I wish that could have been an option. So much dirt slung at Travis day after horrible day. After the verdict I wish nothing but peace for every single member of Travis' family and friends. They've been through 5 years and had their brother "murdered" twice and the second time they had to witness it with their own eyes. God, I feel such hate, I never want to feel this way again.

 

[Straitfan]

Strange, but some people are afraid of ignorant people. One thing is for sure, this is their alternate reality and laughter will turn to tears. This is temporary.

Huh? I'm lost I think I know what you mean tho, if my thoughts are right I totally agree.