trial day 42: the defense continues its case in chief #128

[YESorNO]

Oh, but don't forget. He threw a pen. :giggle: :giggle:

Yea, don't forget the pen.

Well, people- time to get to bed. It's been a pleasure. See you tomorrow for another Juandaful day.:seeya:

 

[katiedid2]

Just read KNs Motion for Mistrial regarding JM and misconduct. Laughable. He must forget the comments he's made about JM. Seems to me that the Defense realizes how badly things are going, thanks mainly to the Juror's questions, and they're grasping at straws. I can't wait to hear the Juror's questions for ALV!

But Jodie doesn't seem to be worried that her ship is sinking! She's acting smug, smirky and the glaring is annoying. I think she's a bully, I believe she has always stared people down (women)

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Just read KNs Motion for Mistrial regarding JM and misconduct. Laughable. He must forget the comments he's made about JM. Seems to me that the Defense realizes how badly things are going, thanks mainly to the Juror's questions, and they're grasping at straws. I can't wait to hear the Juror's questions for ALV!

Exactly! KN knows his only chance is for a mistrial - He just wants out of this case so he can try out for his new business (and I will betcha that ALV has already agreed to be his star witness in future cases). He sees that ALV is a major failure - JM is really proving this.

 

[ElleElle]

So Jodi has all these "experts" on her side who seem from the this view that Jodi is their "dirty little secret". Gus, Doc $, now ALV.

Juan is ALL Travis has got! He will seek and find the truth and it will not fall on juror's deaf ears.

 

[shane13]

Willmot definetely ..did try to give a signal with her hair. It was so obvious?

It sure appears so.

Any attys here now?

Is that illegal, unethical or what?

 

[TXProfessional]

I have a question, I hope it doesn't get lost in the shuffle, this thread moves so fast...


One thing that Martinez brought up was Arias' self image was within a "normal" range. Laviolette kept correcting him by saying "the test was given two years after the fact" she said this a few times, to me implying that Arias could HAVE suffered from low self esteem when with Travis, but has since recovered.

Is it just me, but if someone is a victim of DV... do they really recover that quickly??? I assume that low self esteem goes hand in hand with someone who stays in a violent relationship, but it seems like two years is a quick recovery for something so traumatic in regards to self image. I know YMMV with people, but that just struck me as odd, or am I overthinking it?

Dark Inertia, the answer is that a typical person has many challenges to overcome a negative self image (depending on the severity of the negativity, contributing factors and the individual) but it is possible to improve self image within a couple of years. But I must also add that most typical (non pathological) people would most likely develop a poorer self image being incarcerated (you know due normal things like regret, remorse, and genuine shame).

IMHO Arias actually would have appeared to have an improved self image in prison because it is very likely she would have become and perceive herself to be more powerful and we must remember that she is driven by power and control.
It is my belief that they shouldnt have converstations or even analysis of self esteem or self image, they should be looking at pathology and the use of the MMPI was a more appropriate instrument to evaluate her than any that have been used. BTW when pathology is present other instruments (tests if you will) are invalidated and not useful--which is what I think JM was trying to get at with the Samuels cross about the tests he chose to adminster.

Arias is anything but typical, in fact, I think we are going to see JM present EVIDENCE-BASED findings that she has no self-image problems, that she is engaging (charming) enough to build a following of not only men but women when she decides there is personal gain for her, that she fits the "profile" of an abuser and obsessive stalker, and that she will sacrifice anything and anyone to get what she wants.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

But Jodie doesn't seem to be worried that her ship is sinking! She's acting smug, smirky and the glaring is annoying. I think she's a bully, I believe she has always stared people down (women)

Yep - JA is a psychopathic murderer. She is the definition of such. The jurors need to know this and sentence her to DEATH - Because she will kill again if they let her off. MOO.

 

[Kris Munroe]

I think TA had fear of Jodi but just did not listen to it. I think he felt safe in his home and thought he could handle it. I know I was in a 14 year marriage with the male version of JA. The last night I spent in the home with him, he asked me to go for a ride in the car to talk about our issues. Everything in me told me to not get in the car with him. I have no doubt he was planning something. I have no doubt if I had got in that car I would not have returned alive. Although I was still in such a horrible place with him I did still stay in the home that last night. I think the only reason he did not do anything is because my son was home and he did not think I would leave the next day. I know I am stupid for staying but I did at least list to my gut about getting in the car. I know that now but at the time I felt I was safe in my home. I did leave the next day and never returned. Some people just don't listen to their gut instinct enough. My X well..............he is now in prison.

I'm so glad you listened to your gut and didn't get in that car! The important thing is, you did leave and your alive today to talk about it. I couldn't agree with you more, always listen to your instincts!

 

[IBsleuthin]

W

There was another time today when JM was asking ALV a question and she looks at JW. JW shakes her head 'no' and ALV immediatley answers the question 'no'. That to me was much more noticeable than the hair thing.

Maybe JM is actually training the witness through these non-verbal head shakes.

He finally can get her to answer. :truce:

 

[gitana1]

I wane to preface by saying I am 110% pro prosecution... But I am soo mad at Juan Martinez. Why does he need to badger LAViolette .. He is being way too arrogant .. He's coming off diminutive, angry and feels the need to constantly belittle. Ughghg. If I'm feeling bad for her I just sure hope the jury isn't either. He didn't need to address this witness the same way he addressed arias or Samuels. I just don't want his terrible cross exam to sway the jury away from 1st degree. This is a horrible cross exam. Why can't he soften his tone? Does he not get how his points are being lost within his fights? I love Martinez, I admire his work and dedication to this case. I just don't like that he's being counterproductive. If it's just me please tell me. I hope it is. Please we can't lose this one. My humble oo!

I have had similar concerns about his approach with this witness. I don't think you're overreacting or coming out of left field.

But, I do not believe his aggressive approach with this witness will cost him the trial. Not by a long shot. The case against jodi arias is too strong, IMO. In other words, even if the jury dislikes his style of questioning in relation to this witness, i don;t believe it would cause them to disregard the case he has made against the defendant or the terrific dismantling of their witnesses.

And speaking of such, watching this cross (as I am right now), I can see how he has completely put this witness on the defensive, so much so that instead of just answering the questions and letting Ms. Wilmott clear any issues up on re-direct, she must try to anticipate and guess the hidden meaning behind each question and not allow him to make the point she thinks he's trying to. And her refusal to answer his questions in a straight forward manner, as she contorts to try to prevent him from scoring any point, no matter how small, makes her lose all credibility.

So while I have had deep concerns about his style with this defendant, in the end, I think he is achieving the objective he wanted.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

IMO I don't think they had sex on the day he was killed. I think Jodi made it up. The nude photos of Travis on the bed don't appear as if he was "that into her" if you know what I mean. And the naked photos of Jodi could have been taken by Jodi herself with the camera set on timer. The photos on the bed show the comforter still on the bed. If they had sex, wouldn't the comforter have been taken off the bed?

I think Travis was under some kind of duress the whole time Jodi was there before she killed him. I don't know what she did....but the bed photos were forced as were the shower photos.....all MOO

I don't know about the day she murdered Travis, but I question all of her "stories" about sex acts with him. I personally think that JA was the sexual deviant and had all of her own "fantasies"...NOT Travis. Sex was her "tool" to draw men in a "weird" kind of way. JMO.

 

[IBsleuthin]

It sure appears so.

Any attys here now?

Is that illegal, unethical or what?

NOT an attorney but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. :seeya:


I'm seeing video all over the web tonight addressing this issue. One video I watched was OJ's lawyers and they were saying the defense cannot signal the witness in anyway shape or form because it's considered grooming the witness on the stand.

Hope that helps.

They said specifically, no high fives, no thumbs up, no smiles ect...

 

[Rocco]

Maybe JM is actually training the witness through these non-verbal head shakes.

He finally can get her to answer. :truce:

It was Jennifer W--the defense attorney who was shaking her head--not Juan.

 

[katiedid2]

I have had similar concerns about his approach with this witness. I don't think you're overreacting or coming out of left field.

But, I do not believe his aggressive approach with this witness will cost him the trial. Not by a long shot. The case against jodi arias is too strong, IMO. In other words, even if the jury dislikes his style of questioning in relation to this witness, i don;t believe it would cause them to disregard the case he has made against the defendant or the terrific dismantling of their witnesses.

And speaking of such, watching this cross (as I am right now), I can see how he has completely put this witness on the defensive, so much so that instead of just answering the questions and letting Ms. Wilmott clear any issues up on re-direct, she must try to anticipate and guess the hidden meaning behind each question and not allow him to make the point she thinks he's trying to. And her refusal to answer his questions in a straight forward manner, as she contorts to try to prevent him from scoring any point, no matter how small, makes her lose all credibility.

So while I have had deep concerns about his style with this defendant, in the end, I think he is achieving the objective he wanted.

Thank you! Doesn't it seem the defense is worried? But not Jodie she's dripping with confidence. She's spooky the way she stares people down with her bully mentality.

 

[katiedid2]

Did anyone else hear that the DT is trying to preclude evidence regarding the weight limit of the shelves in anticipation of it coming up in the rebuttal? Is there any way JM could find out the exact make/model of the shelves? I was thinking that they must still be in the home and, in that case, they could be used as evidence.

Yeah it only tells me they are worried.

 

[gitana1]

In what defense expert witness textbook does it say you should be snarky & combative toward the prosecutor? If you did your job, the facts should stand for themselves & withstand attempts to discredit by the DA. Unless you fudged a few things on your CV to start with...

I think this lady was very defensive to the point that she lost any credibility she may have had. But she doesn't need to fudge her CV. She is very well known and has given lectures and been a speaker at scores of events over the years.

 

[gwenabob]

Thought I read here a few days ago that it applied to arizona.

Yes, Arizona has a Son of Sam law, but it only applies to one who is convicted of a crime. If she gets off, then she is free to make money off a "If I did it, this is how" book a la OJ Simpson.

 

[Hark]

I was trying to catch up...foolish pursuit! Then I just tried to keep up, but during the time it took to feed my dog, 14 pages were added to just one thread! So I'm crying uncle, and hope you'll forgive me if these two items are plowing old ground, or in the wrong location.

Has anyone noticed that the "police blotter" hand prints of JA show her crooked finger as lying flat on the paper?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z90fJM7BH...Y/s1600/left_palm_print_-_qp1.jpg&w=780&h=583

and...

I ran across a photo of JA as a young child in the arms of her father, and was immediately struck by his resemblance to TA. Does anyone else see it?

http://www.fanpix.net/picture-gallery/jodi-arias-picture-23899174.htm

Thanks for allowing me to join this illustrious community!:great:

 

[shane13]

I have had similar concerns about his approach with this witness. I don't think you're overreacting or coming out of left field.

But, I do not believe his aggressive approach with this witness will cost him the trial. Not by a long shot. The case against jodi arias is too strong, IMO. In other words, even if the jury dislikes his style of questioning in relation to this witness, i don;t believe it would cause them to disregard the case he has made against the defendant or the terrific dismantling of their witnesses.

And speaking of such, watching this cross (as I am right now), I can see how he has completely put this witness on the defensive, so much so that instead of just answering the questions and letting Ms. Wilmott clear any issues up on re-direct, she must try to anticipate and guess the hidden meaning behind each question and not allow him to make the point she thinks he's trying to. And her refusal to answer his questions in a straight forward manner, as she contorts to try to prevent him from scoring any point, no matter how small, makes her lose all credibility.

So while I have had deep concerns about his style with this defendant, in the end, I think he is achieving the objective he wanted.

gitana:
Did you see the short video of defense atty signaling ALV?

Is that illegal, unethical or what?
Penalties??

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I think prosecutor and witness are both playing a game of provocation with each other. He would find a win in any accusation of abusive behaviour coming from ALV if her accusation was an overreaction. She would find a win if JM did overreacts in some way which could be seen by the jury as abusive behaviour.

ALV needs to remember that JM isn't on trail for murder, only the accused is, if she characterises him as abusive and the jury doesn't agree she appears as someone who is inclined to see abuse where it doesn't exist.

Which they most likely already think she is.