trial day 44: the defense continues its case in chief #134

[dani]

My Mom died on Monday I have missed the trial since the and was wondering if anything worthwile has happened?

I'm so sorry. Losing your Mom is one of the toughest blows life gives us. (I know.) Hang on to the good memories. That's what she wants for you and always remember she loves you throughout eternity.

If you need to "talk" come here to your WS family. :hug:

 

[The Farm]

Good Morning,

I am still in a "fog" as to the difference between the answers Alyce in Wonderland gave both Juan & Wilma. It is so wonderfully obvious what a liar she is.

Juan, any questions asked she dances around everything she possibly can. THERE IS NO YES OR NO ANSWER.

Wilma, YES, NO, YES, NO, YES, NO.

Unbelieveable.

 

[Turnadot]

Love you for your opinion but.............there's no evidence to support that because in part, there was a deliberate clean-up attempt. Plus, someone wearing 'gloves' as Jodi stated would also result in no evidence. There was however, a shoe print that was never identified by the way.

It's my feeling there's no evidence because the State didn't present any other possible scenario. They don't want ANY speculation in this case (like Casey Anthony) so they are basing their case with what they know. They don't want to muddy the water.

There could've easily been someone else there. Why not? A window screen to a back window was found on the ground and taken into evidence. Why couldn't someone have shimmied up, entered in and assisted in the killing?

Just because there's no pictures doesn't mean it couldn't have gone down like that.
I think we became conditioned into this one scenario because that's what is being presented. Again, that doesn't mean that's how it happened.

*nod*

I get what you're saying, but ...

There's no evidence to support another person being there. None at all. Another person wasn't needed for Jodi to accomplish killing Travis, then dispose of evidence. Jodi could have acted alone. The evidence itself points to Jodi and only Jodi.

That being said, I'm not closed to the idea Jodi had help. If there's evidence of it, I'm all ears.

 

[jellybeanz]

I saw her and it looked to me like she had something under the jacket maybe a pad or something because it appeared she was writing or reading something. I even thought of JW's phone. jmo

Thats the way I was thinking too at the time.

 

[SunDawnn]

I didn't know Alyce went to the hospital last week due to all the stress!

The barrage of cyberstalking was the subject of lengthy meetings in a judge's chambers on Monday. It sent LaViolette to the emergency room last weekend.

Wow. Didn't she realize what she was getting herself into? I know she's not the brightest crayon in the box but, dang! She's coming off extremely unprepared and unknowing!



This article goes on to mention, Alyce, Wilmott and the other staff member were seen/photographed eating dinner last night and that supposedly is considered witness tampering.

And on a day when she and Martinez bickered over the meaning of stalking, someone had obviously followed her to dinner and later posted photos of her dining with Arias's defense attorney Jennifer Willmott and one of her legal staff. The posted photo was accompanied by comments implying that somehow, defense attorneys are not allowed to communicate with the experts they hire.

http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/2073067

 

[Whisperer]

I think she has a wart on her chiny chin chin.....

I don't know about he chin...but do know about that strange shape of a lip.
It's a protrusion/swelling which runs parallel with her whole lower lip. I must be the only one that sees it. It is not attractive at all. When she wears lipstick, it is not as noticable. But it is a natural swelling that may be genetic in nature.

If you look at her lower lip, then under it. If it weren't for that, she would be pretty. I can't stop focusing on it. Drives me crazy...lol.

 

[SunDawnn]

*nod*

I get what you're saying, but ...

There's no evidence to support another person being there. None at all. Another person wasn't needed for Jodi to accomplish killing Travis, then dispose of evidence. Jodi could have acted alone. The evidence itself points to Jodi and only Jodi.

That being said, I'm not closed to the idea Jodi had help. If there's evidence of it, I'm all ears.

You speak of evidence. What type of evidence do you want? I'm not attacking you, please know that

There's no evidence in the Jon Benet Ramsey murder and we know she died.
Not all crimes equate to leaving behind tangible evidence.

According to the intruder story, they were wearing masks. So, there won't have been any hair.
According to Jodi's hypothetical (insert eye roll) if SHE were to kill him, she would've worn gloves. Hence, no finger/palm print.
The only 'evidence' would've been shoe/foot prints but....someone wiped the floor and banister.

There is a suggestion that someone MIGHT'VE tried or gained entry through a window seeing there was screen on the ground. Coming through a window, closing said-window then putting the curtain back in place and exiting out of the front door is not that difficult to accomplish.

I know we're spoiled because no evidence can top the evidence that was found (camera) but that doesn't preclude or conclude Jodi acted alone. Not at all as far as I'm concerned.

Perhaps this was going to be a kidnapping then something went wrong? Again, we can't pretend to know. We can only surmise.

 

[deedee21]

Chijojo, Sorry for the loss of your mom. I understand. My prayers are out to you.

 

[Gypseagirl]

I don't know if this is old news but I just found out that Jodi has a "Twitter Account" ran by her friend Donovan

https://twitter.com/jodiannarias

From Foxnews: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/11/jodi-arias-reportedly-tweeting-from-behind-bars/


Hmmmmmmm

 

[MaryNo]

Well, we know she didn't hire a hit man. We know no two sickos are the same. We know, whether that someone is a psychopath or not, that we are never in a position of really knowing how that someone's mind works. And we know that no one comes "out of the box" the same way. I couldn't agree with you more.

That leaves us with putting the pieces of what we've seen everyday for the past 44 days into some kind of perspective that we can get a handle on in making a judgment. It's all we have.

Calling the police (serial killers write letters to media and/or police), writing the 18 page letter to Grandma, calling Gus - I feel she wanted people to know who had done this. (Pride) She continues to kill him over and over and over with her defense strategy. If she didn't enjoy it, she would find another way to defend herself. She would show a little bit of sorrow/regret, ANYTHING in that courtroom other than the smirking, smiling, nonchalant frivolous "we're at the County Fair" activities that have been occurring. She's not even pretending to show that she didn't get enjoyment out of killing Travis. We would see it in her body language, and facial expressions. I haven't seen anything contrary to what I stated in my other post. She went out and purchased a 9 mm Glock, and was caught with knives in her possession, as well. (serial killer?) If she was upset or repulsed by killing Travis, would she even touch those two weapons again for a while, if ever?

If I were on the jury, (13th juror is how I usually approach trials I follow) this is the picture I would have when I went into deliberations. Maybe, if the defense comes up with something to show otherwise, I don't think they will, but if they do, I'll take another look at who she is in relationship to what she did.

I'm not a proponent of the death penalty. I have surprised myself in the confidence I have that the death penalty is the only suitable outcome in this case. I hope your prediction is correct.

I respect what you think. I don't necessarily agree. If she is as demented as we all seem to believe then, who knows WHAT thrills her.

I don't think we're in a position of knowing how her mind worked. There's an umbrella explanation for certain disorders (sociopath, psychopath etc) but they don't all come out of the box the same way.

Some sub-humans like Jodi, hire hit men to kill their prey so, no two sickos are the same.

No doubt in my mind, Jodi wanted Travis dead because his happiness became her hindrance.

There is no way she'll get less than a death penalty and her expert witnesses are literally...... walking her to the death chamber!

 

[rose222]

Hello all!

I loved JM yesterday. I didn't watch Willmot's re-direct and didn't really follow on here much either. Just put the video on mute and went about my stuff. I do hope she's done at some point today and we can get to the questions from the jurors! I hope the Defense rests this week.

I read Katiecoolady's post on the other thread about not giving JA more attention. I agree completely! JA knows all eyes are on her and she does everything to take attention away from Travis and be back at the center of attention. She assumes we're more interested in things like her giggling and whispering with her team, pretending she sees juror misconduct, being secretive with her body posture etc. than the fact that Travis was butchered to death.

I'm going to focus all my attention on those supporting Travis! I'm not going to pay attention to these miserable conscience-less people again. Till verdict day that is. On THAT day I will look at Arias and Defense team and will watch their faces with unbridled glee as the GUILTY OF MURDER ONE verdict is read.

 

[Turnadot]

You speak of evidence. What type of evidence do you want? I'm not attacking you, please know that

I don't feel attacked at all. No worries.

There's no evidence in the Jon Benet Ramsey murder and we know she died.

Yes there is; it's DNA evidence.

Not all crimes equate to leaving behind tangible evidence.

This one did though.

According to the intruder story, they were wearing masks. So, there won't have been any hair.

A story told by a proven liar.

According to Jodi's hypothetical (insert eye roll) if SHE were to kill him, she would've worn gloves. Hence, no finger/palm print.

Her fingerprint is mixed with his blood in the hallway.

The only 'evidence' would've been shoe/foot prints but....someone wiped the floor and banister.

Pictures. Jodi's print in the hallway.

There is a suggestion that someone MIGHT'VE tried or gained entry through a window seeing there was screen on the ground. Coming through a window, closing said-window then putting the curtain back in place and exiting out of the front door is not that difficult to accomplish.
I know we're spoiled because no evidence can top the evidence that was found (camera) but that doesn't preclude or conclude Jodi acted alone. Not at all as far as I'm concerned.

Fair enough. I'm not knocking your idea; I'm only saying until there's evidence, to me there's no reason to posit she had help. Just like there's no reason to posit a gnome in the bottom of my garden that makes flowers grow.

Perhaps this was going to be a kidnapping then something went wrong? Again, we can't pretend to know. We can only surmise.

If there were even a hint that Jodi had help, her defense team would be all over it - even if Jodi is dumb enough, her defense team are not stupid enough to allow Jodi to plead self-defense, putting the murder weapons in her hand, if someone else were there with Jodi when Travis was killed. They'd serve the accomplice up on a silver platter as reasonable doubt. IMO, adding another person to the crime is superfluous, IMO.

 

[SunDawnn]

Probably already mentioned somewhere in these 40 pages, but I just got up because I can't sleep a wink....

I heard on HLN tonight, Beth Karas I think, that the defense has another witness on their list after ALV. Do we have any real info on who this witness might be?

Also, does anybody think Jodi's "manifesto" will ever be released to the public? I would like to read it just to see what the psycho wrote in there! :what:

In an effort to locate an answer for you, I came across this extremely concise and helpful page filled with links concerning this case. Perhaps you can find a Defense Witness list in the court document section?

https://sites.google.com/site/jodiariastrial/

 

[The Farm]

I don't know if this is old news but I just found out that Jodi has a "Twitter Account" ran by her friend Donovan

https://twitter.com/jodiannarias

From Foxnews: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/11/jodi-arias-reportedly-tweeting-from-behind-bars/


Hmmmmmmm

None of that should be allowed if true.

 

[TartLemon]

I'm not quite sure what ALV thinks she's getting paid for. Good grief! This is a trial. Defense and Prosecution. Each side must question her from a different perspective.

What's so hard for her to understand about that?

 

[SunDawnn]

If there were even a hint that Jodi had help, her defense team would be all over it - even if Jodi is dumb enough, her defense team are not stupid enough to allow Jodi to plead self-defense, putting the murder weapons in her hand, if someone else were there with Jodi when Travis was killed. They'd serve the accomplice up on a silver platter as reasonable doubt. IMO, adding another person to the crime is superfluous, IMO.

You're missing my point with a few aspects (like evidence) but it's okay. Don't want to keep beating this poor horse but...............

Don't you see what you just said and how that could NOT be beneficial?

This DT is helping her to escape the death penalty. Otherwise, she doesn't need a defense.
They can NOT in any way, shape or form, make like this was planned.

Therefore, no one could have been there with her. Because if there was, there is no defense. It was planned. Don't you see the conundrum this creates?

If true, it's the most ironic Catch-22 there is!!!! It's almost as good as some Rod Sterling Twilight Zone, twisted ending.

 

[Turnadot]

I'm not quite sure what ALV thinks she's getting paid for. Good grief! This is a trial. Defense and Prosecution. Each side must question her from a different perspective.

What's so hard for her to understand about that?

She battled Martinez on the simplest of questions. It's because she loathes men and was ticked off that she was having to answer to one, hence her wildly inappropriate 'time out' comment. ALV does not like a man getting the better of her.

IMO

 

[alwayslooking]

I don't know if this is old news but I just found out that Jodi has a "Twitter Account" ran by her friend Donovan

https://twitter.com/jodiannarias

From Foxnews: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/11/jodi-arias-reportedly-tweeting-from-behind-bars/


Hmmmmmmm

I woke up to a message from a friend this morning about this, I don't know how to stop a twitter account that is being written by a friend! Between this and her art, this whole thing is crazy!:banghead:

 

[Jane Jetson]

Well God Bless you darlin'. I'm so very sorry for your loss. I lost my mother July 17th, 2010 and I'm still not over it. Other than losing a child, I think losing your mother is the hardest thing we girls have to go through in life. I was 54 when I suddenly lost my mother and she had been my best friend for all my life.

Hang in there chijojo, you've got a very good support group in all the lovely people here at WS.

(((((((hugs)))))))

Bless their souls. I'm so sorry to hear of both of your losses. :rose: (I could not find a bouquet!)

 

[Wake_me]

So let me get this straight.....On one hand we are to believe that Jodi's childhood and family life was so abusive that it helps explain her battered-woman state of mind and her slaughtering Travis, in self defense of course...

However, on the other hand ALV wants us to believe that her family of origin issues weren't severe enough for her to possibly be abusive herself, as she tried to explain Travis' early family life and alleged abusive nature. That Jodi can only be a victim.

I'm sure some people who come from very abusive or generally negative backgrounds do become abusive or have other issues themselves. You know what another possibility is? Them becoming motivational speakers.