trial day 45: the defense continues its case in chief #137

[TigerBalm]

What is this Urban Dictionary that everyone is talking about??

Urban dictionary is basically where slang words are written by younger people, not typically by a self proclaimed old fashioned person like ALV. :lol:

Urban Dictionary is the dictionary you wrote. Define your world
7,018,031 definitions since 1999

A veritable cornucopia of streetwise lingo, posted and defined by its readers.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/

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[LambChop]

It's because nobody understands domestic violence. The Defense doesn't even understand their own case. Alyce tried to explain it from the stand but it went right over everyone's head.

Twenty years ago a therapist told me men express guilt as anger. It went right over my head. I had no idea what he was talking about.

But, that's the key. That is why domestic violence escalates. The more the man leads the double life, the more guilt he feels, the more guilt he feels, the more he acts it out as anger, the more he acts it out as anger, the more guilt he feels. IT'S LIKE A SNAKE EATING ITS TAIL.

That is why Alyce said on the stand--it is ok to feel anger, but it's what you do when you feel that emotion that is the problem. And, she pointed out that Travis anger, as demonstrated in the texts, was now over the top as RAGE, and not only that, but a rage which was not quickly abating.

There's a lot going on here, and nobody seems to be getting it, including the DT.

IMO

Travis does not fit in that box. He was not living with Jodi. He was in his own home. She did not have to be around him and he certainly did not feel guilty because he was dating other women. It does not appear that was ever a problem for him. Alyce is trying to stuff him into one of those DV boxes and Travis does not fit. There is nothing "domestic" about Travis and Jodi's relationship. JM has already proved in court that the day Jodi said she saw Travis with the pictures she was not there. He did this through the text messages between them. She worked until 6pm and he was at his meeting at 7pm. She went to bed with a migraine once she was home. It never happened. If it never happened then what are the chances the broken finger happened the following day...zero....since we have all seen Flores' interview with her where she shows him her left hand where the tendons were cut from the knife she claims the ninja had as she tried to protect herself. Flores calls her on it and tells her he was seen that type of wound before when someone stabs their victim and their hand slips on the knife. If she lied about those two days and the State can prove it and it is reflected in her journal that nothing significant happened those two days no amount of abuse that she claims happened can be believed. There goes Alyce's theory right out the window.

 

[lil_buddy]

I agree. In a clinical sense, i.e. medical professional, it isn't old fashioned. I would hate to think that no one before JA and TA did some of the things they did. I am uncomfortable with slang, but the medical terms not so much. It is what it is.

Its the slang part that would be hard to not be embarrassed by imho. Especilly since, for me, when the younger crowd talks about certain things like toss the salad, it just sounds ugly. kwim?

K

hmmm. I think one of the nastiest, grossest euphemisms for sex is porking and that's from the 70's(?).

Now you know.

 

[Sleuth5]

I keep picturing myself, since it is about lawn mowing time again, driving across my po-dunk small town with my little gas can all nervous it will spill. Then, I think of Jodi...all manic, driving across the desert with 15 gallons of gas in the trunk, talking and screaming to herself in the hot, summer desert heat....plotting murder, if Travis doesn't take her to Cancun and marry her!

I choked on my coffee. :floorlaugh:

 

[Truth Detector]

I'm sure he had a sexual relationship with Deanna. Didn't he buy her breast implants?

I'm not.

Neither have I seen any evidence that TA bought implants for her or for anyone else.

Source?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Nothing so effectively makes me feel retarded like trying to do my taxes.

Pay an accountant! I do ... Now I feel like a snob


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[momof7]

And obviously she was already shaved, right? But, she wasn't going to see Travis, right? She was on her way to Utah, right? So, how is it she was shaving for Travis when, according to her, it was a last minute trip?

Right. She was going to hang out with Ryan Burns..maybe see how that went. Sounds like JA liked everything cleaned up for wherever she went IMHO

It wasn't TA hangup, it was JA liking it for whatever reason. Its not like thousands don't do it nowadays as another posted pointed out for various reasons.

JA just used whatever to keep the story going. I really do believe that.

K

 

[Nosey Parker]

Catching up right now watching NG. Wow! Donovan, Jodi's friend, admits she has been taking Jodi's words and tweeting them. But they have nothing to do with the trial...........uh huh

The day it looked like Jodi was shooting the bird, "It was Jodi pushing up her glasses" per Donovan. At the time of Donavan's answer they showed Jodi's hand and finger under her chin and sheepishly pushing that one finger out. Her hand was nowhere near her glasses. The tweet of shooting the bird to Nancy Grace was a joke...... uh huh

The tweet about short man syndrome was in no way describing Juan - per Donovan....... uh huh

I think this backfired on Donovan and Jodi. Donovan said she was getting overwhelmed with calls and threats (I think that is what I heard).

She really should try and change the company she is keeping!

 

[EquallyDivided]

And obviously she was already shaved, right? But, she wasn't going to see Travis, right? She was on her way to Utah, right? So, how is it she was shaving for Travis when, according to her, it was a last minute trip?

Maybe that's what she used the third can of gas for? Great point. No need to shave the kitty if you don't anticipate using it. Especially if TA is the only one who requires it.

 

[minor4th]

Minor, I always enjoy your insightful posts, but this is one time I disagree.

Look at the post directly below your, by VALee. It asks what brought on that angry text message from Travis on May 26th.

This has become practically a ritual for people who post here. ALL OF US want to know what led up to that text. Why didn't ALV? Did she just not ask? Or does she know the answer and she discards it? Or did she ask and, when the DT said they didn't know or wouldn't tell her, did she shrug and forget about it?

I know, a lot of people disagree with me about this. And I must come across as excusing Alyce or feeling sorry for her or something like that, and that is not at all how I feel.

I think she was duped intentionally by the defense in order to get her outraged against Travis. I think Alyce saw those messages and was horrified and saw them as representative of the way abusive men talk to their victims. That set the stage for the rest of her "investigation" which we all now know was based on limited information.

That said, I think it is professionally and intellectually and morally irresponsible for Alyce to accept only limited information without asking for more context. I think it should have occurred to her at some point that there was more going on here than what Jodi was telling her. I'm not excusing any of that -- I'm just saying I think she was duped initially and that is what got her involved and invested in this case as an advocate for Jodi.

 

[Lorelilly]

Does anyone have any idea what the May 26 TA text was about (2 days before the gun was 'stolen'? I still can't seem to find anything at all about it, maybe it hasn't been released yet and is a 'smoking gun' that will come up soon in the trial?

We all want to know. Because the texts from Travis aren't specific in nature I'm afraid we'll never know. I believe one reason is the May 10 sex tape. She secretly recorded it and was going to use it against Travis as in, tell his Bishop, PPL colleagues and his friends. I hate her more everyday.

 

[katydid23]

I disagree that it's because people don't understand DV. I think it's because people DO understand DV, and see that it didn't exist here.

And FWIW, I agree with Alyce that Travis did have anger and even rage, and that his texts were over the top and an inappropriate expression of anger. And if one were given no context for those texts, if one did not know of all that Jodi put Travis through before it got to that point -- I can see how someone like Alyce might quickly conclude that Travis was like so many abusive men she has worked with.

I agree with you that there is a lot going on here, but it is not in the defense's interest to bring light to all that was going on. I have mentioned before that I represent men who have been in abusive relationships -- and I've seen many men at the point where Travis was on May 26. What looks like anger and rage is more accurately an expression of extreme frustration and feeling trapped and hopeless, and at the same time helpless to extract oneself from the ties that bind. I can't tell you how many times I have seen women actually trying to provoke such a reaction and then using it against the guy, just like Jodi is doing. Those issues are so complex that I do not think they can adequately be explained in this trial -- but maybe through Juan's expert.

BBM

THANK YOU. That was exactly what she was doing, imo. Trying to enrage him, and then her reply= ' Have a nice day.'

It was so disingenuous for the DV expert to pretend that Jodi said ' have a nice day' as a way to DE-ESCALATE. I call BS. That was a passive-aggressive way to upset him even more.

 

[Schuby]

Minor, I always enjoy your insightful posts, but this is one time I disagree.

Look at the post directly below your, by VALee. It asks what brought on that angry text message from Travis on May 26th.

This has become practically a ritual for people who post here. ALL OF US want to know what led up to that text. Why didn't ALV? Did she just not ask? Or does she know the answer and she discards it? Or did she ask and, when the DT said they didn't know or wouldn't tell her, did she shrug and forget about it?

Well, on the stand she was pretty clear that she feels the reason for the text doesn't matter, something like, "it's not the anger that is abusive, it's what you do with that anger and a rage like this is never acceptable." She came right out and said the reason is irrelevant to her.
The reason we are all dying to know more about what caused it and she isn't is because we are starting with the assumption that Travis is a reasonable person and wouldn't lash out like that without serious provocation. ALV is starting with the assumption that Travis is an abuser by nature and therefore doesn't need a reason to rage at Jodi.

 

[momof7]

Pay an accountant! I do ... Now I feel like a snob


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I was going to say the same, but don't feel like a snob. I just am a dunce with numbers. You never would know I am in the numbers line of work. I can't figure it out. My husband says that my co workers would die if they knew how I balanced the checkbook...

Kelly

 

[Ammonitida]

Also the pedophile allegation is even weaker as they try to paint TA as a pedophile that liked little girls, likes little boys, abuses women and enjoys kinky sex with adult women, enjoys anal sex... And on and on..and yet JA still continued to see him, no other evidence from anyone besides JA to corroborate any of the allegations.

I think they couldnt edit themselves down with the Travis trashing..the varied allegations water down the others. Most pedos like either boys or girls and wouldnt go out of their way to have kinky sex with JA.


If TA didnt like the sex with JA she would have been out of his life long ago. Why else would he put up with her?

By Jodi's own claims on the stand, Travis was not into little girls but MATURE looking underage girls (that alone destroys Alyce's sex tape "corroboration"). Of course that's very inconsistent with being a man who is also secretly attracted to little boys as young a 6 years-old. Boy-oriented pedophiles are a different breed of pedophile, quite different from men attracted to little girls. They're usually FIXATED pedophiles who prefer children (boys) to the total exclusion of adults, especially WOMEN. But we know that Travis was a player who tried to seduce numerous women. No way is Travis a boy-oriented pedophile like Jodi claimed. It has to be a LIE of the devil.

The forensic computer scientist will further undermine this nasty lie from Jodi by pointing out that no pedophilia related material was found on his laptop.

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's what baffles me about these two pseudo experts. Samuels and ALV were hired to do an evaluation on Jodi's behavior/personality. Providing Jodi magazines and books on the very subjects they were going to be evaluating her on was akin to providing her a cheat sheet of what qualifications Jodi needed to provide in order for these experts to testify to the amnesia and DV.

RS and ALV's reports should have been invalidated and been prevented from testifying in court.

What baffles my mind is that neither one of these experts recognize the inappropriateness of what they did.:banghead:

I think perhaps the thought of endorsing the check scrambled some brains...


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[Sleuth5]

That's what baffles me about these two pseudo experts. Samuels and ALV were hired to do an evaluation on Jodi's behavior/personality. Providing Jodi magazines and books on the very subjects they were going to be evaluating her on was akin to providing her a cheat sheet of what qualifications Jodi needed to provide in order for these experts to testify to the amnesia and DV.

RS and ALV's reports should have been invalidated and been prevented from testifying in court.

What baffles my mind is that neither one of these experts recognize the inappropriateness of what they did.:banghead:

:goodpost:

 

[Maryann123]

Sure we can complain. And we shall. Just because a murderer places demands upon her trial in a form of blackmail does NOT justify us being passive and not complaining about the travesty they are committing against an innocent man who was brutally murdered. Why would anyone agree to HER terms of blackmail in order to give her a cushy lighter sentence? That would be INSANE!! To even reflect and feel that this disgusting woman should get an easy sentence is just mind boggling to me.

I believe the US government's stance: "We do not negotiate with terrorists" fits well in this case.

BBM

Your answer was great! It was blackmail, and I don't think many of us would accept this plea if it were our loved one that endured the horror Travis did in his last few minutes of life. Jodi thought she would smear Travis and his family, and the jury would buy her BS. Instead of the jury saying poor Jodi, and bad, bad Travis....they are thinking WTH! Nobody in their right mind has bought anything the defense has spewed. If Jodi doesn't deserve the DP, you might as well do away with it!

 

[Truth Detector]

Been roasting for about five years now.

Region of origin preference?

Island?

Central or South America?

Asia?

Africa?

 

[JayB12]

Here's a gem from Arias' art selling website:

About Me

“Since I was a child, I’ve been drawn to art. I have been privileged to study under the guidance of two very gifted teachers. One, I remember only as Mr. B, the art teacher at Orcutt Junior High School, who I’m sure has long since retired. He granted me creative freedom to veer from the linear syllabus and follow my own inclinations. Richard Rengal, my high school art teacher and a true master of fine art, instilled me with the confidence in my ability that I would carry into the future and do still today. It is in large part due to his ceaseless belief in my skill that I have continued my artistic pursuits years after I last walked out of his classroom.”

When you have art class in junior & senior high school, it's called "studying under the guidance of ... very gifted teachers...[one] a true master of fine art...[who] has ceaseless belief in [her] skill?" :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I'm sure Mrs. B and Richard Rengal love the fact that they are referenced as influences to a sociopathic murderer.