trial day 53: REBUTTAL; #161

[JusticeJunkie]

Andrea's boss's trial (Hemy Neuman) was streamed by some local channels, so I am guessing it will go that way again. But I think Andrea might be an even bigger draw (audience wise) than the actual triggerman. I am local, so I stay on top of this stuff.

HTH

Please, please. Do NOT even tempt me. I'd love to watch that trial - it's going to be a good one, but I really have to get back to life at some point. lol

 

[rose222]

Gooooood morning peeps!!

You know how we all made fun of Baez and his white boards during the closing arguments in the CA trial? Hate to say it, but I hope Juan does *something* visual to help the jurors remember everything and connect the dots. That last jury experience haunts me, and I want to make sure the understand everything Juan wants them to. There are so many tiny things to keep track of, and I know some of us have even been confused at times. I know Juan will tie everything up, I just hope he does it in a way that is super clear to all the jurors.

Some folks have made brilliant Youtube videos on the entire murder. I hope JM does his closing just like that. A calendar for the date of the argument, burglary etc. A nice big map to take the jury on JA's road trip. A big, clear photo of Travis' closet etc. We need lots of visuals.

 

[mimmy03]

This is the shelf

That is awesome! It tilted just with him pushing on it with his hand, so goes to show there is no way JA stood up on a shelf to get a alleged gun. She sunk herself with that lie. :floorlaugh:


Thank you so much!

 

[jojomonkey]

The only sad thing Rose, is that , I bet at verdict time it's going to be pretty hard to get on here.

That is going to be the day I blatantly violate company rules and stick my earbud in my ear to watch/listen. It's going to be chaos on this board.

In the CA trial, I went into a co-worker's office and shut the door and begged him to let me watch the verdict live.

In the Scott Peterson trial, a co-worker and I took lunch at the time the verdict was being read, and shared earbuds to listen to it on the radio at the restaurant.

 

[Bravo]

Going to try and cover all my bases. Happy Birthday,Anniversary etc. to everyone having something special to celebrate soon. Jodi will never have even 5 minutes of anything special. Yeah!!!!!

 

[snowshuze]

That reminded me of one of my bad habits and made me :floorlaugh:. When I go into a convnience store and a cashier asks me if I have gas, I quite deadpan answer - "that's kind of a personal question don't you think "? The looks are fun, the red faces even funnier. I never buy gas at such places and cannot process why I am being asked this question, I need one of those 119s apparently.

Is there any OTHER place to get gas?

:O

 

[Hopeful One]

Now that we are getting closer to a verdict, I am really starting to worry about what this jury might think they know about crime that would influence their deliberations.

For example, in the William Kennedy rape trial, one of the jurors said later that it was impossible for her to believe that he could have been guilty because he was an attractive doctor and member of an influential family and could get all the girls he wanted without resorting to rape. Whether he was guilty or not, it is just not true that rapists are acting from sexual deprivation!

I see people online commenting that Jodi Arias can't be guilty of first degree murder because it was clearly a crime of passion. Now in popular usage, a crime of passion means that someone acts without premeditation because of sudden emotion, for example in the course of an argument.

But some people seem to think that if the crime reveals passion - ie violence involving 'overkill' such as in this case, it can't have been premeditated. That is just not true. People are perfectly capable of being angry with someone for days or even years and then deciding to go kill them. It may sound odd to me or you that someone could sustain such anger for an extended period of time but it's perfectly possible for someone to stew over something and premeditate murder. I can imagine Jodi becoming angry with Travis, planning to kill him, and sustaining that anger for days and days. She may have even hoped she could win him back and he would take her to Cancun but once he made it clear he didn't want her anymore, her rage was boundless.

Is anyone else worried or is it just me obsessing?

I am. It's a slam dunk, imo, but I thought CA was too. I think anything is possible in this crazy world so until I hear 'guilty of murder in the 1st degree', there will be a part of me that is worried.

 

[moonshyne]

Is there anyone to plans to retire from this seemingly full time job of following a trial? I know this is my last one. For real.

It HAS to be my last one or I'll be divorced lol. No way I can get anything done around here these days. I'll start off doing something and be listening to the trial but before long I'm in front of my computer, eyes glued to the screen lol.

Seeing justice happen for Travis will be worth it. And of course to see the smug smirk vanish forever off Jodi arias' face will be icing on the cake. Nothing will bring back Travis, an amazing person who overcame huge obstacles and succeeded in life and inspired others but seeing Jodi get what she deserves I hope brings the family some sense of justice and closure so they might finally begin to heal. It ends for us but the process of healing is just going to start for them.

 

[Kamille]

IIRC, much was made of the May 15th photo by the DT in an effort to discredit the Prosecution's contention that JA had significantly changed her appearance in anticipation of her stealth visit to Mesa. It goes to the premeditation issue and that photo was used by the DT to explain the car rental clerk claiming that JA was blonde when she rented the car. The DT's response was "No huh! Look! It's auburn! It's brown! It's just a little lighter brown in front (the blondish highlights.) What those pictures make clear is that JA undertook some serious efforts to disguise herself with the very dark, chestnut hair color and that she did so on June 3rd.

ETA: Any woman who has colored her hair can tell that's a fresh dye job. Especially for someone like JA who stripped all of the natural color from her hair to go so many shades lighter. If that dye job was more than a few days old you'd already see the color fading.

You can see how much the colour faded a month or so later in her mug shot. Unless she tried to lighten it up a bit again after the murder. Although I am surprised that the June 4th picture of her in Travis' bedroom looked like her hair was still that lighter shade of auburn. Perhaps that's because the photos were so hard to retrieve and the colour could be off in them.

MOO

 

[Hopeful One]

Is there any OTHER place to get gas?

:O

Beans.

 

[Ricki]

Not me. Said it many a time. I resigned to the fact there is no point in me saying it anymore. Will sure miss ya but totally understand.

There are many other forums that you can quickly visit on WS. The jury room is fun.

 

[Angelina Frost]

Now that we are getting closer to a verdict, I am really starting to worry about what this jury might think they know about crime that would influence their deliberations.

For example, in the William Kennedy rape trial, one of the jurors said later that it was impossible for her to believe that he could have been guilty because he was an attractive doctor and member of an influential family and could get all the girls he wanted without resorting to rape. Whether he was guilty or not, it is just not true that rapists are acting from sexual deprivation!

I see people online commenting that Jodi Arias can't be guilty of first degree murder because it was clearly a crime of passion. Now in popular usage, a crime of passion means that someone acts without premeditation because of sudden emotion, for example in the course of an argument.

But some people seem to think that if the crime reveals passion - ie violence involving 'overkill' such as in this case, it can't have been premeditated. That is just not true. People are perfectly capable of being angry with someone for days or even years and then deciding to go kill them. It may sound odd to me or you that someone could sustain such anger for an extended period of time but it's perfectly possible for someone to stew over something and premeditate murder. I can imagine Jodi becoming angry with Travis, planning to kill him, and sustaining that anger for days and days. She may have even hoped she could win him back and he would take her to Cancun but once he made it clear he didn't want her anymore, her rage was boundless.

Is anyone else worried or is it just me obsessing?

Not worried, but your concerns are both understandable and valid. No matter what the State knows and/or can prove, the bottom line is that the verdict is decided by 12 laypeople. Twelve average laypeople who bring their own personal prejudices and biases to the table.

The comment about an attractive professional not "needing" to rape because he'd have sexual options? Ridiculous and scary. Sad fact is that people can remain ignorant and clueless because perception equals truth. Juror X determines something is true, not based on fact, but on their perception. Very often it is flawed. The FCA result proved that beyond all measure.

 

[Whack A Mole]

That reminded me of one of my bad habits and made me :floorlaugh:. When I go into a convnience store and a cashier asks me if I have gas, I quite deadpan answer - "that's kind of a personal question don't you think "? The looks are fun, the red faces even funnier. I never buy gas at such places and cannot process why I am being asked this question, I need one of those 119s apparently.

During trout season in Oregon, the stores put out signs in front that say "We Have Worms". I always feel bad for them :floorlaugh:

 

[Nosey Parker]

Sneiderman..conniving..the tears in the gallery..anger on the stand. Wow. And the moment she walked up to her friend who had come off the stand, hugged her and escorted her out and told her they were no longer friends..oh my gosh!

Wild About Trials will be covering it real time announced yesterday. It's in Atlanta. She manipulated a mentally ill man who thought she loved him, to kill her husband..to 'save' her and kids from abuse.

Hmmm, I'm gonna have to read up on this one. :blushing:

 

[ZsaZsa]

I wonder why they allow so few people into court, the limit is less than 30!
Seems to me they could let a lot more than that in. Justice is supposed to be seen, isn't it?

 

[JayB12]

my last thoughts last night before i passed out were: "we the jury find jodi ann arias guilty" and i slept like a baby

I slept like a baby too.

Unfortunately, my baby was the 4 month old, up-every-two hours-colicky type.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Now that manslaughter will be among the charges for the jury to consider, is anyone worried about the possibility of a conviction on one of the lesser charges - second degree or manslaughter? I'm not feeling quite as confident about 1st degree pre-meditated murder as I was earlier in the trial. :blushing:

 

[SheltieMom1]

Mine immediately tanks up on water when he comes back in. He'll come to me at the desk two or three times. If I shoo him away, he'll go lie on the bed (on his heated throw). If he doesn't get out, he'll pee right by my chair! Max is a min pin, probably about a year now. Had his tonsils taken out (snipped) 3 months ago. Totally off topic but I'm bored and tired of checking the docket for new info :floorlaugh:

I stupidly hung a bell around the knob of my front door. He pages me every time Juan gets up to cross. It's like he's Team Jodi! Ugh.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Good Morning! I am still quite intimidated by all you intelligent and creative sleuthers so I usually do not post when the trial is in session.

This woman/child is so heinous I can hardly stand the sight of here. She scares me enought that I now dream about her evilness. The worst part of it all is she chose to murder a very good human being. Why could she not have found another losser like herself to get involved with? I wish.

I am hoping someone can tell me why she has been in jail for five years, did she waive her right to a speedy trial? What was the delay in getting her senteced before now. Please help with this question.

Thank you all for your great minds and wonderful sence of humor.. I have laughed and cried as I read each day. Coming down to the wire now and all I can think is the jury has got her # 8794720

, there are many other Jodi's out there, males and females, but she is the sickest thing I have ever, ever seen. Scary!

She would not last too long with her lesbian lover, She likes pocket hoses too much, just sayin.

:seeya: Hello and :welcome: :welcome:

 

[gcharlie]

I see people online commenting that Jodi Arias can't be guilty of first degree murder because it was clearly a crime of passion. Now in popular usage, a crime of passion means that someone acts without premeditation because of sudden emotion, for example in the course of an argument.

But some people seem to think that if the crime reveals passion - ie violence involving 'overkill' such as in this case, it can't have been premeditated. That is just not true. People are perfectly capable of being angry with someone for days or even years and then deciding to go kill them. It may sound odd to me or you that someone could sustain such anger for an extended period of time but it's perfectly possible for someone to stew over something and premeditate murder. I can imagine Jodi becoming angry with Travis, planning to kill him, and sustaining that anger for days and days. She may have even hoped she could win him back and he would take her to Cancun but once he made it clear he didn't want her anymore, her rage was boundless.

Is anyone else worried or is it just me obsessing?

The way that Travis was murdered is more like the vicious and tortuous murders by members of drug cartels and the like. It does not fit crime of passion to me; I see it more as torture and something very up close and personal.

I do believe that a murder can be premeditated with overkill involved. Those who commit these murders lack any kind of conscience and are amoral, like JA.