Trial Delayed until at least January

[Just the Fax]

Thanks for the clarification. He still wouldn't be getting the most recent updated scores...not as updated as those on the web or by turning on the TV. Bet the hotel had ESPN too. And who could read sports scores in the dark? Aren't those in fairly small print in the newspaper?

Can you see it?
32, windy degrees, reading a paper in the dark...all so a non-smoker could smoke a cigar?
Pleeeeze. What a totally ridiculous excuse for being outside at midnight during a business trip.

 

[otto]

How much would you remember with accuracy 5 years later?
No offense, but you seem to have forgotten many details of the case after only 6 months.

i don't think that really matters. If there was a witness statement from a year or two after the murder, and the witness contradicted herself during testimony, that witness statement should have been presented in court and entered into evidence.

Please refrain from personal remarks, my dear. They have no place in healthy debate.

 

[otto]

JLY did not even take the local newspaper.:noooo:
That, my dear, kills your argument.

Like many of us, he preferred to get his sports scores on the internet.
The same internet that was up an running in his room 5 minutes earlier.

What difference does it make?

I fail to understand how it is illogical for people to read the paper at the end of the day.

 

[otto]

Actually, the USA Today paper he picked up at midnight was the Friday-weekend edition (assume just delivered to hotel). Never the less, the point of your argument is valid, as he was a confirmed internet addict. He blundered by specifically saying he wanted to check scores...defies logic.

I can read the news on the internet, listen to the new on the radio, watch the news on TV, or read the news in the newspaper. I fail to understand the point that because someone can access the news online it is illogical for that person to read the newspaper.

 

[Just the Fax]

What difference does it make, my dear?

I fail to understand how it is illogical for people to read the paper at the end of the day.

Guess you missed the point of my post...oh well.

 

[Just the Fax]

i don't think that really matters. If there was a witness statement from a year or two after the murder, and the witness contradicted herself during testimony, that witness statement should have been presented in court and entered into evidence.

Please refrain from personal remarks, my dear. They have no place in healthy debate.

Sorry about the personal comparison, otto.

Bottom line is, 5 years after seeing a customer for less than a minute is not the same as her recollection months later.

 

[otto]

Guess you missed the point of my post...oh well.

No, I simply disagree.

 

[otto]

Sorry about the personal comparison, otto.

Bottom line is, 5 years after seeing a customer for less than a minute is not the same as her recollection months later.

If there is a witness statement from her that identifies the man she saw as tall, rather than they same height as she (5 feet), that should be entered into evidence. I suspect that what happened is that she may have described him as tall and when asked to elaborate on what that meant, she said the same as she ... meaning, she perceives herself as tall. That negates any value in her statement of the customer being tall as it appears that, in her opinion, people that have a height of 5 feet are tall.

 

[MyBelle]

No video needed hon.

JLY testified he exited out the stairwell door at midnight.
And no, the door was not secure, as JLY testified he propped that door so it would not close.

Evidently 8 jurors wanted video or other concrete proof Jason left and returned in the timeframe of the murder. Jason did not testify he left the hotel premises.

I can certainly understand the jury would expect such video after hearing the hotel staffer testify the door was unpropped and closed prior to 5 AM. Entry after that required guests to use a hotel door and all had working security video. It isn't difficult math to conclude it would be impossible for Young to make a round-trip to Raleigh between midnight and the point the rock was removed.

JMO

Please do not refer to me as "hon." thanks!

 

[MyBelle]

Really?
I don't recall a single photo where they were found.
I don't recall a single witness that told us where they were found.
I don't recall a single witness that collected such items.

W/O evidence they even existed in the home, the whole scenario is fiction.

While you may wish to believe the prosecution's witness did test analysis on something that didn't exist, I have no reason to doubt the credibility of the testimony.

JMO

 

[borndem]

Seriously: would you or anyone you know spend 25% more for gas than it cost?

Would you throw down a $20, pump only $15 and then not bother to get back your $5? Why only pump $15 worth of gas?

If you need to save a little $$ you would go back for that change on your $20, not leave $5 behind. If it only took $15 to fill the tank, then you still had plenty of gas in your tank...which makes one wonder why you would need to stop right then? (The purchaser didn't use the restroom, didn't buy anything else).

If the person was in a hurry to get back on the road at 5:30am, 30 - 60 seconds more to go pick up the $5 in change is not going to make that much of a difference.

No, that's someone who didn't want to be seen again, someone's who behavior was inconsistent with what an average person does. Now who would have been in such a state at 5:30am, who cursed out the gas station attendant, who was tall with light blonde hair, driving a white or light colored SUV, with sharp facial features?

Hmmmm, Mad74, I might if I thought I would be betting $1 Mil in insurance money. Yeah, keep that fiver, honey, I'm gonna be rich!

 

[MyBelle]

Huh?

The camera a "red herring":waitasec:

The rock propping the stairwell door was removed by staff at 5:50AM.
JLY reentered the hotel at 6:35AM through the glass hall door (unlocked at 6AM). He then immediately slipped into the stairwell and pushed the camera to the ceiling.

Yes, I believe the camera is a red herring and will be again at the next trial. The testimony that I heard was about a rock being removed prior to 5:00 a.m. I think you are confusing it with the camera and there was testimony that the camera did not contain Young's prints.

JMO

 

[citygirl]

If there is a witness statement from her that identifies the man she saw as tall, rather than they same height as she (5 feet), that should be entered into evidence. I suspect that what happened is that she may have described him as tall and when asked to elaborate on what that meant, she said the same as she ... meaning, she perceives herself as tall. That negates any value in her statement of the customer being tall as it appears that, in her opinion, people that have a height of 5 feet are tall.

I am curious, Otto. What made you flip? If not mistaken you were in the guilty stage for a long time. What made you switch?

 

[MyBelle]

Well, the judge ordered CY's words deleted from the replay in court as well as the transcript. If her utterances were benign, why was that done?

The camera was unplugged at 11:20PM and moved at 6:35AM.
JLY cannot prove he was in his room at either time.

Just another piece of powerful CE.
The jury is free to decide who they think the most likely person would be.Not once, but twice, 6 1/2 hours apart.

After considering the state's time-line and tons of other CE, basic common sense tells most people it could only be JLY.

BBM. I hope this forum doesn't deteriorate into baseless jury and judge bashing.

At the last trial, the jury was instructed to decide whether there was evidence Young was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. 8 jurors concluded the prosecution failed to met the burden of proof.

JY doesn't have to prove he was out of his room, the prosecution failed to prove he left the hotel at all. He's got an iron-clad alibi it seems.

JMO

 

[Madeleine74]

JLY himself says he left the hotel (to "smoke a cigar and read the newspaper sports scores" and oh yeah..."get his laptop computer power cord") right before midnight. He claims he then used a twig to prop the door. There is video evidence of him heading out toward the exit. So yes, he was out of the room and left the hotel.

What isn't available is any video of him coming back into the hotel and in a massive coincidence, the security camera covering that exit was unplugged on this night of nights. And after the camera was plugged back in and repositioned around 5am or so, it was shoved up towards the ceiling a mere 60 to 90 min later in yet another coincidence.

So many coincidences befalling this one guy and his movements and actions.

 

[MyBelle]

Some people really don't care much about the little money.

The witness's testimony desribed a short man. Jason is a tall man. That's a problem.

ITA. A HUGE problem when it is the only evidence that Jason left the hotel. The witness was unable to describe Jason when she was asked to do so even though he was sitting right in front of her. Then there was no small matter of LE failing to have her initially pick Jason from a photo lineup.

JMO

 

[borndem]

If there is a witness statement from her that identifies the man she saw as tall, rather than they same height as she (5 feet), that should be entered into evidence. I suspect that what happened is that she may have described him as tall and when asked to elaborate on what that meant, she said the same as she ... meaning, she perceives herself as tall. That negates any value in her statement of the customer being tall as it appears that, in her opinion, people that have a height of 5 feet are tall.

I am 5'1" and to me, nearly everyone is tall. I am short, and I know it. Can't get things off a top shelf of the kitchen without using a wooden spoon to kinda gently knock it down. If it is breakable, then I go get my little footstool. Make no mistake, short people are very aware of their being short.

I have always wondered if her saying "like me" (or something close to that) meant his fair features, etc., and not his height. IDK.

 

[otto]

I am curious, Otto. What made you flip? If not mistaken you were in the guilty stage for a long time. What made you switch?

I haven't flipped. I've held the belief that Jason was guilty since a few weeks after the murder. Now that we've heard the prosecution's argument, I no longer perceive this as a discussion about beilefs, but moreso about known facts. Prior to the trial, we didn't know what the prosecution had. Now we know.

In terms of legal arguments, I don't see a strong case. That doesn't change the fact that I'm of the opinion that Jason murdered his wife, but in terms of whether it can be demonstrated that he murdered his wife ... I'm unsure. For example, after the murder and before an arrest, it was widely said that the reason police delayed making an arrest was not because they lacked evidence, but because they wanted to ensure that they had a death penalty case. I accepted this as truth. We now know that wasn't true, as the victim's family was never in favor of the death penalty. What that means, today, is that the delay was due to the absence of sufficient evidence to bring charges ... nothing to do with a death penalty case.

I think it's important to revisit what we believed and what is true, from time to time, to ensure that we're not part of a group mentality that perceives all actions, statements and evidence with colored glasses. For example, Jason claimed that he picked up the paper to check scores, or whatever. There's nothing sinister about that, yet it has been suggested that this is illogical and suspicious if it occurs at midnight. I don't buy that and don't want to be part of the mentality that blindly accepts those opinions. Stating that I find nothing suspicious about reading a newspaper for any reason at any time of day doesn't mean I believe he is not guilty, it means I'm looking for the facts and the truth amidst the opinions.

 

[Just the Fax]

Some people really don't care much about the little money.

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$5.00 cash is a "little money" at a gas pump?
Really, for a guy in a white Ford Explorer?

 

[Just the Fax]

If there is a witness statement from her that identifies the man she saw as tall, rather than they same height as she (5 feet), that should be entered into evidence. I suspect that what happened is that she may have described him as tall and when asked to elaborate on what that meant, she said the same as she ... meaning, she perceives herself as tall. That negates any value in her statement of the customer being tall as it appears that, in her opinion, people that have a height of 5 feet are tall.

Hmmm, did you read the response to this question the first time you posted it?

Yes, we can blame Becky Holt...not the lack of evidence.