Trial Discussion Thread #2 - 14.03.07, Day 5

[aa9511]

It's interesting that Mr Johan Stipp yesterday described the two sets of three bangs as almost identical, three bangs.

When Nel asked the witness to describe the second three bangs. He said the second three bangs were right on top of each other bang, bang, bang.

IMO too rapid for bat strikes on a door.

Between the two sets of three bangs Mr Stipp said he heard a woman scream intermingled with a mans voice. Mr Stipp answered Roux when he suggested this was OP screaming, that OP would have to be be screaming in two voices at the same time lol

bbm

For this reason, I think the gun shots were the last set.

The first set could not have been the gunshots, b/c Reeva could not have been screaming after the round of gunshots (except for the fading-away sound).

If it was Oscar screaming the whole time, why would HE stop after the gunshots. Was He shot dead?

No, he was alive.

It makes no sense. I think the Judge will clearly see what happened and what did not happenen.

JMO.

 

[canny]

Body language experts are having a field day ridiculing and exposing OP’s court room antics. Does he not he have one in his dream team to warn him of his highly suspicious gestures, or is his guilt ridden conscience playing havoc within his mind negating his Consultants very expensive advice. .He enters court wearing a black suit and black tie:floorlaugh:

 

[atthelake]

I suppose Oscar would be screaming in a high pitched voice to the intruder?? you would think he would make his voice as deep as possible, portraying himself as some sort of lumberjack figure.. ( merely postulating )

ALL voices heard at high and low pitch that night, according to Roux under Oscars intructions are HIS. His alone. there are no other voices.. whoever heard anything, whatever they heard, in whatever manner if came across as, terrified, man, woman, monotone, etc.. ALL were Oscars.. he himself hears no woman screaming, naturally.. because its his voice alone, in all and every pitch and gender and volume and manner testified to.

neat, ey?

And the decibel tests that will prove it ? Huh? Decibels show only intensity (loudness), and not frequency (pitch), so how can a decibel test prove male/female differentiation. Different threshold minimum decibel levels are required for different pitches for humans to hear.

Just what Roux's decibel test will it prove *cough* is what I'm waiting to see and discuss here later at the time.

 

[atthelake]

And if she was oly wounded on the first shot,why wouldn't she call out to him and say ITs ME, STOP SHOOTING?

Well, I can see that she might think a blood curdling scream would key him onto the fact she was behind the door and stop him quicker? :banghead: Apparently not.

 

[aa9511]

Dr. Stipp said he heard the male voice shout "help help help" AFTER the 2nd series of bangs (the cricket bat).

According to OP's bail hearing affidavit, he screamed "help" BEFORE he bashed open the toilet door.

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2013/02/19/copy-of-oscar-pistorius-affidavit-click-to-read/

Dr. Stipp's testimony completely contradicts OP's claim that he shouted before the cricket bat bashing.

I think the second set of sounds were the gunshots.

After this, no more woman screaming.

Oscar yells out "help,help,help."

 

[Pisto_lius]

I wouldn't be surprised either. I seem to recall he wanted permission to talk to all the neighbours before the trial, but permission was denied. I imagine he wanted to 'persuade' them that they didn't hear what they think they heard, or warn them off. Since when does a murder suspect get to talk to potential witnesses anyway?

I think the 2 most damning things for him today were the facts that he'd thought he'd heard an intruder on other occasions - but had woken Samantha up first to see if she'd heard anything, a reaction the majority of us on here have always claimed would be the most instinctive thing to do - check where your partner is before opening fire. And of course Pieter Baba's statement that OP had told him everything was fine (after he'd just shot and killed his g/friend). Why Roux would insist on knowing if the word he used was 'fine' or' okay is anyone's guess. Both words pretty much mean the same thing. Whichever word he used doesn't detract from the fact he told the security guard that basically nothing was wrong.

BIB - Was he planning to take Reeva to his or her car and dump her somewhere? I remember reading that one of the doors on their car was open (can't remember whose). So after taking her downstairs, was his next step to dump the body but he was interrupted by Dr Stipp?

BIB - The Mirror - Too much *big stories* in ONE report.... I would take it with a big pinch of salt

After Reeva’s death, the runner’s car was found on the drive with engine ticking over and keys in the ignition. It is thought the star – who has been charged with his lover’s murder – may say he was going to take her to hospital himself.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-kept-steroids-home-1717061

More salt needed for this *big stories*

Officers are also keen to verify claims that Reeva’s Mini might have been moved after the shooting and that the doors were left open.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/vie...ius-trophies-were-strewn-all-over-death-flat/

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[aa9511]

Dr. Stipp said he heard the male voice shout "help help help" AFTER the 2nd series of bangs (the cricket bat).

According to OP's bail hearing affidavit, he screamed "help" BEFORE he bashed open the toilet door.

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2013/02/19/copy-of-oscar-pistorius-affidavit-click-to-read/

Dr. Stipp's testimony completely contradicts OP's claim that he shouted before the cricket bat bashing.

IMO, that's b/c Oscar knew he said "help, help, help" after the gunshots. Which is, I believe, what happened.

But the problem with that is, Oscar had to change around the position of the cricket bat bashing in his sequence. Because, he could not say he was hitting the door before the gunshots, obviously. I guess he could have said he was trying to "get to the intruder," but that would not have been very believable, and furthermore, he was trying to cover=up the fact that there was an escalation with Reeva which lead to the gunshots. Is the reason he had to lie about positioning of cricket bat bashing.

But the consequence of that is, OP's story gets messed up in regards to the sounds the witnesses heard.

Because OP changed around the sequence of events in his story.

JMO.

 

[aa9511]

N: 'I'm going to ask you what you heard. You woke up and you heard the screams. How long?

S: Moments, definitely moments.

N: Second shots how quick in succession?

S: Very quick

N: Is it possible to wield a bat as quickly as in the succession of shots?

S: I wouldn't be able to do that. It was very quick.

bbm

Just like Burger testified to with the "bang, bang, bang."

It's not the witnesses who are lying, it's OP who's lying.

 

[aa9511]

Nel talking about OP screaming like a woman.

'That is not true. He sounds like a man."

She has heard him scream!!

"It sounded like a man Milady"

Verrrryyy interesting.

Thanks for the posts updating us!!!!!!

 

[canny]

bbm

For this reason, I think the gun shots were the last set.

The first set could not have been the gunshots, b/c Reeva could not have been screaming after the round of gunshots (except for the fading-away sound).

If it was Oscar screaming the whole time, why would HE stop after the gunshots. Was He shot dead?

No, he was alive.

It makes no sense. I think the Judge will clearly see what happened and what did not happenen.

JMO.

The foundation of the OP's defense team case is the Reeva never screamed at all,she took four bullets in pin drop silence and all the witnesses are mistaking Oscar's screaming as Reeva's .This is the only way they can explain away OP shooting four shots through the door and killing her. How they will be able to convince and win over milady with this ridiculous argument is beyond comprehension.Tomorrow if a witness testifies that he heard OP's two nasty looking guard dogs barking, Roux will contend that when Oscar is hurting he can bark just like his two dogs.

 

[Pisto_lius]

What do you think ?


A - They will fight on.

B - The forensic, ballistic and post-mortem reports will pull their butt out of the fire.

C - They will prepare a *plea bargain*.
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[whiterum]

bbm

For this reason, I think the gun shots were the last set.

The first set could not have been the gunshots, b/c Reeva could not have been screaming after the round of gunshots (except for the fading-away sound).

If it was Oscar screaming the whole time, why would HE stop after the gunshots. Was He shot dead?

No, he was alive.

It makes no sense. I think the Judge will clearly see what happened and what did not happenen.

JMO.

Exactly IMO too, the second round of bangs were the gunshots that killed Reeva, the last one being the head shot from which she had no hope of recovery.

The pros know this and I expect we will see further evidence up the line to prove it. Roux seems to think he can push OP's affidavit as gospel to the witnesses and every answer they give must support it all costs up to the point of badgering and bullying. OP's version is already falling apart at the seams and being exposed as a contrived pack of lies.

 

[aa9511]

Roux says she is lying about that and he has emails to prove it (cheating).

Witness sobbing when asked about first time he cheated.

Court adjourned.

bbm

:facepalm:

In Roux's world, everyone is lying except Oscar.

 

[aa9511]

How old is Oscar??? and this child is??

Have you seen the pics of his current gf?

Seems he likes them young.

I can imagine why he was so insecure around Reeva. Here was a beautiful, elegant, WOMAN around his own age.

 

[shane13]

When asked about today's momentous revelation possibly damaging his client's case, Barry Roux said:

"Everything is fine."

 

[aa9511]

roux says op denies the sunroof incident took place at all.

lol! Of course.

 

[gxm]

Have you seen the pics of his current gf?

Seems he likes them young.

I can imagine why he was so insecure around Reeva. Here was a beautiful, elegant, WOMAN around his own age.

Wait a minute. He's already dating another woman? And who on earth would date a man that had killed his previous girlfriend?

 

[Lyra500]

This is something I wanted to hear opinions on. Doesn't Roux keep saying 'I have this/that document, I can produce it' but never seems to actually do so?

It seems to be a kind of threat to prove witnesses are lying, but without backup. I don't think it should be allowed.

I just hope Nel and the prosecution are noting down all of these empty promises so that they can weave them into the closing address to show what a baseless fabrication the defence case has been. (If Roux does ever come up with the goods then i am happy to stand corrected.)

 

[aa9511]

SAm 'He could walk on his stumps but often balanced himself on something. He had difficulty balancing on his stumps.'

This is interesting.

Was he balancing himself with the cricket bat?

 

[whiterum]

The foundation of the OP's defense team case is the Reeva never screamed at all,she took four bullets in pin drop silence and all the witnesses are mistaking Oscar's screaming as Reeva's .This is the only way they can explain away OP shooting four shots through the door and killing her. How they will be able to convince and win over milady with this ridiculous argument is beyond comprehension.Tomorrow if a witness testifies that he heard OP's two nasty looking guard dogs barking, Roux will contend that when Oscar is hurting he can bark just like his two dogs.

LOL, if he thinks he can dupe My Lady with this load of tripe he is barking mad !