Trial Discussion Thread #32

[crasshopper]

My Opinion Only

I've used IMO ( In my opinion) and JMO (just my opinion) and JMHO (just my honest opinion).

I'll try to adopt the MOO;-)

 

[DebinGA]

Sometimes I snip a long post if I just want to reference a small part of it, but I've never given a reason as I didn't think we had to. I'm sure the mods would tell us if we had to.

I do that too. I think saving space whenever possible benefits others here. I don't mind at all anyone snipping my posts as long as what's left retains the original meaning.

 

[TorisMom003]

I've used IMO ( In my opinion) and JMO (just my opinion) and JMHO (just my honest opinion).

I'll try to adopt the MOO;-)

Or you could use the cow one. :cow:

 

[Ncl1968]

I felt trapped as my bedroom door was locked and I have limited mobility on my stumps.
that is from his bail statment.. which door is he saying was locked? If it's his bedroom then he should have just gone downstairs... the full statement is here http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news...r-pistorius-trial-affidavit-bail-hearing-full

 

[crasshopper]

Or you could use the cow one. :cow:

Now that I love!

 

[DebinGA]

I felt trapped as my bedroom door was locked and I have limited mobility on my stumps.
that is from his bail statment.. which door is he saying was locked? If it's his bedroom then he should have just gone downstairs... the full statement is here http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news...r-pistorius-trial-affidavit-bail-hearing-full

He definitely said in his bail affidavit that it was his bedroom door being locked that left him feeling trapped. Hmm...

 

[lithgow1]

He definitely said it was his bedroom door being locked that left him feeling trapped. Hmm...

Was he asked why didn't he just unlock it? TIA Seems pretty lame to me. In fact, had he really want to protect RS wouldn't the obvious move be to tell her to unlock the door and get downstairs to be safer and call police while he kept an eye on the passageway?

 

[weeeva]

There's only for room for so many doors in a court, Weeva, and the cleaning staff get fed up with having to polish them up for forensic analysis.

Ha Ha good thinking Nausicaa. Did you mistakenly say the bedroom door was broken down instead of toilet door?

 

[DebinGA]

Was he asked why didn't he just unlock it? TIA Seems pretty lame to me. In fact, had he really want to protect RS wouldn't the obvious move be to tell her to unlock the door and get downstairs to be safer and call police while he kept an eye on the passageway?

BBM ...I don't remember what OP said on the stand, but the "I felt trapped as my bedroom door was locked and I have limited mobility on my stumps" was straight from his bail affi iirc.

 

[fox1lady]

I still can't understand why OP was screaming so much! Shouting yes but what the heck was he screaming for, especially "all the time" like he said he was?

 

[Lyra500]

I still can't understand why OP was screaming so much! Shouting yes but what the heck was he screaming for, especially "all the time" like he said he was?

The only reason he has started to say that is to try and explain away the screaming which the ear witnesses heard. His claim has no foundation in logic or fact in my view.

 

[weeeva]

photos of it are in evidence. And OP's story of breaking BACK through it after he had just come from the other side.

Seriously, photos of a broken down bedroom door are in evidence. I thought it was a hole in the bedroom door.

 

[Viper]

<RSBM>

Edit: I do take issue when you use terms like "impossible," because one just doesn't know nor have we heard the experts discuss this at length.

BIB. Sorry, but as I said at the beginning of our conversations, at some point as evidence is revealed some points of speculation become impossible to continue to be plausible anymore. The speculation that Reeva's heart continued to beat for nine (9) minutes is impossible. And since you have demonstrated that you have easy access to the reference materials, please post a documented case of a woman with two severed arteries and no brain or respiratory function whose heart continued to pump blood through her body for nine (9) minutes. If you do I will ask a moderator to put me on timeout for two days. My wife would love that BTW! :smile:

I went back and watch the testimony of Nest. I like him. But here's the thing, he read OPs affidavit and he confirmed that what he saw in blood evidence at the crime scene matched what OP says happened that night. And if you take one minute to read the affidavit OPs story literally flies by very quickly, perhaps two minutes from start to end. So it is possible that Nest based some if his "Serpentine" pattern opinion on his following that Reeva was alive and died on the stairs as OP said in his affidavit. But now we know about the amount of time that had passed and it was not 2 minutes, it was nine (9) minutes. I would venture to say that if Nest knew the actual time between the events he would not have used the term arterial spurt. Also he went to great lengths to describe how very blood soaked her long hair and shorts were and how they contributed to the blood trail.

Here is a link to his testimony. I took a few notes and will post them later. He starts at about :43

http://youtu.be/LFpEYIhdgSc

 

[Nausicaa]

OK...
If so, are you saying the police covered that up, because if she did reach police [even briefly], there'd be a record of that.

As I have written, I think he got the phone out of her hands quickly via threat or assault.

But I am willing to see more of your ideas.

My idea is that she did not succeed in dialling the police but that he was not 100% sure that she didn't: hence he mentions telling her to call the police to explain any attempted call that may have occurred.

I do not exclude the possibility you evoke that some evidence is being suppressed by higher authorities - the sacking of detective Botha is disquietingly reminiscent of the Stalker affair in England - but I have been more interested in reconstructing the evening's events on the basis of the evidence we do possess.

 

[IfIMay]

Seriously, photos of a broken down bedroom door are in evidence. I thought it was a hole in the bedroom door.

just telling what it is. photos of the bedroom door are in evidence. OP said he broke it going BACK in for Reeva's body. Talk to him. :wink:

 

[Apollo]

I still can't understand why OP was screaming so much! Shouting yes but what the heck was he screaming for, especially "all the time" like he said he was?

Well, except for right after he had shot and killed Reeva. Then he didn't scream anymore. Guess he wasn't too horrified at what he had done because that's when any normal person would scream the most.

 

[weeeva]

OP is making it all up (or the vast majority of it with tiny bits of truth sprinkled in) and it makes no sense that he didn't think of those things when making up his version. He had a while now to decide what to say was his version. The problem is, his version makes no sense. If OP was telling the truth, that he heard a noise, and Reeva was awake then she too would have heard the noise. However, since neither were asleep, they were arguing and there was no noise from an intruder OP is having to try and make a version up that sounds convincing. Unfortunately for OP he can't keep his version straight, changing it three times now, and it is not convincing.

MOO

Could be. But then if he was getting everything just right, that would look suspicious too. Too perfect and rehearse.

 

[Nausicaa]

I've used IMO ( In my opinion) and JMO (just my opinion) and JMHO (just my honest opinion).

I'll try to adopt the MOO;-)

Crasshopper, what can you be thinking of ? These things are socially revealing, you know. Please on no account MOO !!! Continue to IMO if you have any self-respect!

JMO!

 

[Nausicaa]

Ha Ha good thinking Nausicaa. Did you mistakenly say the bedroom door was broken down instead of toilet door?

Nastasya is the immediate source of the statement that the bedroom door was broken down. I can't remember the exact description but it was certainly seriously damaged. There is no mistake for the toilet door. OP claims he damaged the bedroom door after killing Reeva IIRC. So you can take it that it was before.

 

[weeeva]

BBM - He couldn't make that up though, could he, because how could Reeva possibly have got to the toilet in time for him to kill her if she'd spoken to him just a second before he retrieved his gun? OP said everything happened quickly. He can't have Reeva speaking to him again after saying "Can't you sleep Baba" because there's just no time for her to have been able to get out of bed, walk down the passageway into the bathroom (open a window), and then enter the toilet, because OP would have been charging down the passageway at the same time as her.

BBM
My god. It's like that conundrum " brothers and sisters I have none, but that man's father is my father's son"