Trial - Ross Harris #2

[minor4th]

The more I think about it, the more I believe that people should be held responsible, even if the 'forgot' the baby was there.

If Dr Diamond is going to prove it is possible to just forget, then parents should be FORCED, by law, to take precautionary measures. Just like they legally have to use seat belts and car seats, and inoculations. They should be forced to do something to prevent the ability to just 'forget' their kids. There are many very simple methods. Put the Teddy Bear in the car seat and take it out an put it in the front passenger seat when your baby is riding with you. DONE. :baby:

In a way I agree with you - it just seems inexcusable for a parent to make this kind of omission that results in a child dying, even if it's not deliberate. A parent who takes on the responsibility of maintaining and sustaining a child's life should be held to a higher standard.

On the other hand, I have a hard time with criminalizing unintentional conduct or mistakes. It's just hard to reconcile when the result is so disastrous.

 

[rob]

Why was Ross paying sooo much for private school for his 1 year old but always took him to school late.

He could have simply saved his money and had his wife take care of Coop during the day. Idk.

That daycare was owned by HD, I thought it was an employee perk to have a on site place to keep your kids. How much did he pay?
I thought LH had a job?
I'm not always clear on the details.

 

[yupikgirl]

Actually no- I want justice and I don't care because it doesn't matter to me. The probable cause hearing was the very beginning when they had their preliminary information. Things change and those changes don't necessarily mean the case shouldn't move forward. We don't know that detective stoddard lied.

Oops forgot to quote. Was responding to the post: anyone who follows the case should care that the detail of who posted what meme matters. It doesn't matter to me- which is what I said.


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[yupikgirl]

That daycare was owned by HD, I thought it was an employee perk to have a on site place to keep your kids. How much did he pay?
I thought LH had a job?
I'm not always clear on the details.

She did at Davita. What I dont understand is why she picked him up most days if Ross was right there? Maybe she got out earlier most days? Not that it matters to me, but I was curious.

As far as her not working and them saving daycare money. Many working mothers feel the cost of daycare for the first 5 years until school starts is worth it for their career later on meaning for me- when I eventually had children I didn't work during the week, but as a nurse I was able to work two weekends a month just so when the time came to eventually go back to work I would still be employable (for my profession). I didn't "need" to work at that time and at times I didn't over the years when my children were smaller, but it was important to me for when I eventually went back to work (which I did last year when my kids were 10 and 15). I assume working moms work for a variety of reasons even when the daycare is expensive. Large daycare costs are relatively short if you have a career that you want to continue. I know for me it was very difficult to get back into my field having taken the time off I did...and that was working weekends here and there over the years (pay wise it was difficult- I was able to find a job, but not having the years experience I could have had hurt my worth $$ wise).

That was super long and probably more than necessary...I try not to do that here, but sometimes I get wordy LOL

I'm not sure I even quoted the right person LMAO. Sorry- I believe the daycare was $1100 a month.


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[JerseyGirl]

The defense did a current Google search of that phrase in 2016. It also Googled a question about passport fees for children, which Harris Googled.

Defense lawyers show jurors a partial web browser history. Harris' lawyers said that Harris searched child passport photos on the morning of Cooper's death because he was planning a vacation.

June 18, 2014, shortly after midnight, Harris visited a government website about obtaining passports.

Smith said yesterday he was unaware that Harris had been planning a cruise with Cooper and his now ex-wife Leanna.

 

[JerseyGirl]

They are now looking at Harris’ Whisper messages.

“There is quite a bit of discussion about sexual topics,” the defense said.

One image was posted by a different user saying, “I wonder what a coffee enema would do to someone haha.”

“There are actually people that do this like 3 or 4 times a day. It’s crazy to me but they love it,” Harris replied.

“Teachers assign you homework and don’t check it why the (expletive) did you give it,” a teenaged user posted.

“Because you won’t practice the work if none is given to you,” Harris replied.

Again, the post wasn’t sexual in nature. The defense is pointing this out to show that Harris posted on all sorts of topics, not just sexual ones.

Another user asks if you like tall girls.

Harris responded, “I do but I’m not very single. Y’all girls are sexy.”

He never said anything about leaving his wife, the defense pointed out.

Harris’ Whisper comments come up as “unknown.”

Another image says, “Need to wake up..Can’t get out of bed lol.”

Harris responds, “Why still in bed? Late night?”

“I woke up at 5:30 (a.m.), kill me,” Harris said in response to one post. The poster responded that sounds horrible.

“Well I have a son, that joker decided that ‘hey I’m gonna get up early,’” Harris wrote.'

Harris also said in the conversation "he's awesome," in reference to his son.

“No one says that they hate their son in this conversation. No one says that their son is holding them back from anything,” the defense attorney said.

 

[popsicle]

Leanna to Ross 4:08P - Call me. Are you not going home first?

 

[JerseyGirl]

The jury sees an image of an online chat where the defense says that Justin Ross Harris calls his son "awesome" on the morning of his death.

“I woke up at 5:30 (a.m.), kill me,” Harris said in response to one post. The poster responded that sounds horrible.

“Well I have a son, that joker decided that ‘hey I’m gonna get up early,’” Harris wrote.'

Harris also said in the conversation "he's awesome," in reference to his son.

“No one says that they hate their son in this conversation. No one says that their son is holding them back from anything,” the defense attorney said.

 

[yupikgirl]

Just because he researched passport costs doesn't mean he was actually going to go through with the plans for the trip. It could show that the costs were just one more thing piled onto their every growing debt. IMO

 

[JerseyGirl]

On May 30, 2014, at 11:57 p.m., “I guess everyone has there (sic) breaking point every once in a while,” a girl posted.

“My breaking point is pretty low right now,” Harris responded.

“It certainly doesn’t say I’m going to kill my son,” the defense attorney said. “It’s not sexual in nature. It doesn’t reference his son at all. There’s no indication that Mr. Harris is attempting to use his son as a prop to get women in this conversation.”

 

[JerseyGirl]

On June 18, 2014, the day Cooper died, Leanna Taylor (his ex-wife) texted Harris “Get to work ok?”

He replied, “Yup yup. … Were (sic) gonna go to the early moving so I should be home close to 7.”

“When are you getting my buddy” he texted his wife at 3:16 p.m. the day of Cooper’s death

That’s the last message Harris sent his wife.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Cooper Harris June 11, 2014 RH sent to LH 12:54:11 from LAA Wed, one week prior to 6/18/14. Guess that debunks the not sending photos ...in last 2 weeks.

 

[yupikgirl]

In a way I agree with you - it just seems inexcusable for a parent to make this kind of omission that results in a child dying, even if it's not deliberate. A parent who takes on the responsibility of maintaining and sustaining a child's life should be held to a higher standard.

On the other hand, I have a hard time with criminalizing unintentional conduct or mistakes. It's just hard to reconcile when the result is so disastrous.

BBM- totally agree. Its heartbreaking all around.

 

[ScotAng]

I wonder if any statistics are out there for how common it is for married men, relentlessly in pursuit of extramarital sexual liaisons, to tell the truth to potential hookups that they are married? To respond to questions by sexting partners that they are actually happily married? To tell sexting partners about their children and how much they love them?

I don't know about statistics. There are blatant sites like Married Dating, Illicit Affairs, Discreet Cheating, heck there's even a top 10 of them, can you believe that!, So no doubt a lot of that chat does goes on.

Disclaimer - Only aware through sleuthing!

 

[yupikgirl]

aww what a cute photo he sent-Ross himself also said he stopped sending photos and gave a reason. This was not something just made up by the prosecution- no debunking at all.

 

[arkansasmimi]

aww what a cute photo he sent-Ross himself also said he stopped sending photos and gave a reason. This was not something just made up by the prosecution- no debunking at all.

IIRC it was actually the taking of photos in the morning. But that is what the State is going with. Whatever the reason, this does debunk the theory that has been that RH didn't take any photos of Cooper at school and send to LH within the last 2 weeks. This was exactly 1 week prior.

 

[yupikgirl]

And the prosecution was talking about the photos in the morning. Which Ross himself said he stopped taking. Not saying the word "morning" isn't debunking a whole theory. Please stop circumventing the ignore feature here. Thanks

 

[GA_Peach]

Cooper Harris June 11, 2014 RH sent to LH 12:54:11 from LAA Wed, one week prior to 6/18/14. Guess that debunks the not sending photos ...in last 2 weeks.

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I believe that the testimony was that Ross stopped sending pictures of Cooper when he first arrived at school to LH.

 

[arkansasmimi]

On June 18, 2014, the day Cooper died, Leanna Taylor (his ex-wife) texted Harris “Get to work ok?”

He replied, “Yup yup. … Were (sic) gonna go to the early moving so I should be home close to 7.”

“When are you getting my buddy” he texted his wife at 3:16 p.m. the day of Cooper’s death

That’s the last message Harris sent his wife.

JMHO the Def is going to say that that shows he didn't remember that Cooper was in the car and thought (for whatever reason) that Cooper was at school. There was a phone tag around the 4:06pm? time of that last text from LH. IIRC it may have been LH call/miss so she texts, then RH calls/miss and LH call back. I think this is going to be the order

 

[rob]

If JRH had forgotten Cooper before, it makes me wonder if he tried killing him before and didn't succeed.

We had a mother here locally, first a fire started in her young son's bedroom one night, but he got out in the nick of time. Shortly after, she was car jacked and her son was killed by the car jacker in the backseat with a pillow from their home. She was convicted of killing her son, because she didn't want to be a mother.
she only got a sentence of 8 years.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/1...r-killed-her-son-charged-with-his-murder.html
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-11-05-2884571788_x.htm
http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/12915993/sc-mom-gets-8-years-in-sons-smothering-death