Trial - Ross Harris #2

[arkansasmimi]

What??

RH and LH and Cooper and RH brother and his family were planning a trip. RH had also contacted a travel agent. IIRC RH bro wife even texted him asking if he found anything or something about the trip.

 

[arkansasmimi]

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But jmho, the night prior is when RH asked Alex and Winston if they wanted to go to movies. In context I think this is what RH was talking about. LH was not going to the movie (remb the chats between Alex/Winston/RH) He wanted to hang out with his friends. Maybe LH wanted him to stay home, I can see this as possible, I love my son but I also want to go to the movies with my friends.

I have no idea anything about LH maybe didn't trust RH because of prior stuff (understandable). I may be very wrong but that jmho In full context of the movie thing, I just see it as a possibility. Also he may have been doing a lot of work on the new business not around as much? Lived on that phone for sure. jmho

 

[cricket49]

Screenshots of the messages between Ross - shown as "Unknown" and alwaysinmyfeelings from the Whisper app.

This was occurring during breakfast at Chick-Fil-A and also in the parking lot after Ross parked the morning of 6-18-2014. Last response from Ross was at 9:24:28am. While Cooper was strapped in his outgrown car seat, just inches away from Ross.

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Are these times tied to this chat correct? If so, this is why the State made an issue of Ross taking 33 seconds to get out of his car. The chat lasted 33 seconds. This is bad and shows he was preoccupied when he pulled into the parking lot.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Are these times tied to this chat correct? If so, this is why the State made an issue of Ross taking 33 seconds to get out of his car. The chat lasted 33 seconds. This is bad and shows he was preoccupied when he pulled into the parking lot.

I haven't had a chance to look at the video to see when he exited the car but it's close.


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[arkansasmimi]

It not funny but it was, Rodriguez was going to click on a google search and Evans Objection .. he didn't think they should be doing google searches on State Laptop. LOL Probably pretty worried what might come up after seeing some of the stuff. was funny to me. Don't blame him there.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

But jmho, the night prior is when RH asked Alex and Winston if they wanted to go to movies. In context I think this is what RH was talking about. LH was not going to the movie (remb the chats between Alex/Winston/RH) He wanted to hang out with his friends. Maybe LH wanted him to stay home, I can see this as possible, I love my son but I also want to go to the movies with my friends.

I have no idea anything about LH maybe didn't trust RH because of prior stuff (understandable). I may be very wrong but that jmho In full context of the movie thing, I just see it as a possibility. Also he may have been doing a lot of work on the new business not around as much? Lived on that phone for sure. jmho

Or he could've wanted more time to meet up with prostitutes.

I think he's talking about himself and the anonymous female that posted that meme when he says they both do. Moo


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[arkansasmimi]

Are these times tied to this chat correct? If so, this is why the State made an issue of Ross taking 33 seconds to get out of his car. The chat lasted 33 seconds. This is bad and shows he was preoccupied when he pulled into the parking lot.

I thought Rodriguez (Def) pointed out that last post by RH was 9:24:15 also I wonder if you still subtract the 4 hrs from this or if this was after. That would make this 5:24:15 am I have to go back later and re listen. But he pulled into parking lot at 9:26 or 9:27 I thought. That would be minutes after the last post, correct?

ETA: gag, last post is "we need to meet"

 

[Hope4More]

Phone records show Harris messaged the woman, "I miss having time to myself and going out with my friends." He then said "My wife gets upset when I want to go out with friends." Around 9:15 a.m., Harris said "I love my son and all but we both need escapes." Prosecution says Harris sent that message just minutes after he's seen buying breakfast with Cooper at Chik-fil-A.

Prosecution shows jurors a post pulled from Harris' phone on June 18, 2014 that said, "I hate being married with kids. The novelty has warn off and I have nothing to show for it." Prosecution says the image was not uploaded or posted by Harris but Harris did comment on it and then begin a chat with the woman who posted it.

The prosecution has cried wolf too many times about what RH did online to have any credibility whatsoever about their interpretation of this June 18 exchange.

Watching one thing on TV relating to a current, government sponsored safety program about hot car deaths did not mean either Ross or Leanna were doing "research" about how to kill Cooper.

That allegation is insulting to the intelligence , as is the now thoroughly discredited accusation that RH researched "child free life" because he wanted to be rid of Cooper, and whoops, "research" again means a one time visit to a site, and whoops times 2, a site suggested by a friend.

Now the jury is to ignore the fact that as late as a week before Cooper was supposedly killed as a way of RH getting free of his marriage, RH tells this sexting partner, Ms Y, that he is "very" happy in his marriage, "minus the sex."

Sorry, but isn't that a plain vanilla standard reason why husbands cheat? Having no intention of divorcing, much less of killing their babies?

(And btw, I didn't see any shaming whatsoever. Kilgore was pointing out -- look at her. She sends those photos willingly, says those things, encourages RH talk about "risk," and she knows he's married.

Is she a monster of a freak or shameless or capable of killing a child because she does these things? No. She is not . And neither is Ross.

 

[cricket49]

I thought Rodriguez (Def) pointed out that last post by RH was 9:24:15 also I wonder if you still subtract the 4 hrs from this or if this was after. That would make this 5:24:15 am I have to go back later and re listen. But he pulled into parking lot at 9:26 or 9:27 I thought. That would be minutes after the last post, correct?

You could be correct there was so much testimony today and they discussed time stamps being off and time zones not matching.

 

[blue22]

My thoughts on today.
The defense did a good job questioning thermal guy. What they didn't do (IMO) is create enough doubt about lunch time. There is still a possibility that Cooper could have been alive...however small that may be. Even that tiny possibility is devastating. I do wonder if he will be called again, and I assume they will again call the chief ME. They made themselves look ridiculous and desperate with the shameful and humiliating questioning of the whisper app and texting partner. (For lack of better words.) At this point, I don't see how the defense can repair the character issues with Ross. We'll have to see.

I think the defense has really struggled this week. I think they need to use the younger attorney less, he's just not very good with witnesses. He is either purposefully trying to confuse them (which looks silly,) or can't ask a clear question for anything. The prosecution hasn't necessarily been good, but the defense has not been able to achieve damage control. Maybe they can with their witnesses, that will be really interesting.

 

[GA_Peach]

What was Ross' point in taking Cooper to CFA that morning if he spent the time texting with women? Why not drop him at daycare then go have a nice, private breakfast by himself? Gosh, he makes me sick.

Unless, of course, it was a final good-bye, a last supper of sorts. I have been trying really hard to remain open-minded, but I feel that I am approaching the beyond a reasonable doubt standard with respect to intent. It makes me mad and sick!

I know that, and the divorce was proof positive that Leanna had no involvement in Cooper's death. I doubt Leanna would have divorced Ross if they had actually planned Cooper's demise together. They would have been beholden to one another forever.

I have a more sinister theory about why LH went through with the divorce, especially since the divorce was finalized around the start of the original trial.

 

[arkansasmimi]

LOL O/T... Last Presidential Debate is tonight! :gaah:

 

[blue22]

The prosecution has cried wolf too many times about what RH did online to have any credibility whatsoever about their interpretation of this June 18 exchange.

Watching one thing on TV relating to a current, government sponsored safety program about hot car deaths did not mean either Ross or Leanna were doing "research" about how to kill Cooper.

That allegation is insulting to the intelligence , as is the now thoroughly discredited accusation that RH researched "child free life" because he wanted to be rid of Cooper, and whoops, "research" again means a one time visit to a site, and whoops times 2, a site suggested by a friend.

Now the jury is to ignore the fact that as late as a week before Cooper was supposedly killed as a way of RH getting free of his marriage, RH tells this sexting partner, Ms Y, that he is "very" happy in his marriage, "minus the sex."

Sorry, but isn't that a plain vanilla standard reason why husbands cheat? Having no intention of divorcing, much less of killing their babies?

(And btw, I didn't see any shaming whatsoever. Kilgore was pointing out -- look at her. She sends those photos willingly, says those things, encourages RH talk about "risk," and she knows he's married.

Is she a monster of a freak or shameless or capable of killing a child because she does these things? No. She is not . And neither is Ross.

Here's the thing, time stamps from networks are time stamps. You cannot manipulate that. It's not an interpretation. The time is the time.

We know when RH pulled into the parking lot, and we know when the network time stamped his conversation on the phone. Are you suggesting that they altered the time of Chickfila, home depot, and somehow managed to alter information gathered from a network...that they have no time stamp access to?

I suppose one can debate the interpretation of the contents of their communications. However, network time stamping is one thing that just is.

 

[Hope4More]

Here's the thing, time stamps from networks are time stamps. You cannot manipulate that. It's not an interpretation. The time is the time.

Eh? .......

 

[katydid23]

You could be correct there was so much testimony today and they discussed time stamps being off and time zones not matching.

But I didn't see the Defense saying they had a problem with the timing. They seemed to agree that it took place that morning. If it had been a different time, wouldn't they have made that a BIG deal?

 

[cricket49]

I did not think Kilgore was shaming or too aggressive when going after the woman who was sexting with Ross and sending x-rated pics back and forth. I watched Juan Martinez in the Jodi Arias trial chew the States witnesses up and spit them out. (Go Juan!) Kilgore was a kitten compared to Juan.

 

[Hope4More]

Unless, of course, it was a final good-bye, a last supper of sorts. I have been trying really hard to remain open-minded, but I feel that I am approaching the beyond a reasonable doubt standard with respect to intent. It makes me mad and sick!



I have a more sinister theory about why LH went through with the divorce, especially since the divorce was finalized around the start of the original trial.

I'm going in the opposite direction. IMO what the State is presenting for intent is smoke and mirrors, shell games, and bad character diversions.

They're making a strong case for criminal negligence, but imo the rest is about inflaming jurors to loathe RH. Sure hope jurors all told the truth in voir dire they could be impartial and base their decision on fact, not emotion.

 

[blue22]

Eh? .......

LE can not change time stamps from networks. The time stamp from RH's phone was from the phone reaching a network. There is no delay, it's accurate.

ETA: I did not mean to quote your post earlier. I'm sure my comments were completely unrelated to your post. Sorry.

 

[Hope4More]

Here's the thing, time stamps from networks are time stamps. You cannot manipulate that. It's not an interpretation. The time is the time.

We know when RH pulled into the parking lot, and we know when the network time stamped his conversation on the phone. Are you suggesting that they altered the time of Chickfila, home depot, and somehow managed to alter information gathered from a network...that they have no time stamp access to?

I suppose one can debate the interpretation of the contents of their communications. However, network time stamping is one thing that just is.

I can't understand what I said that has you replying to me about timestamps. I'm truly baffled. I'm talking about the content of the texts. Maybe you weren't here last night when I posted a timeline for the texts, the same times and same texts brought into evidence today? And the times related to his driving and parking, and commented on all that a number of times?

 

[just the facts pls]

So let me see if I have this correct. JRH's entire defense is that he forgot Cooper but in reality he was messaging about escaping his family only moments before shutting the door on Cooper for the last time.

The time stamp testimony is correct that UTC is -4 hours Daylight Savings Time Eastern time, meaning that the last message he sent about Cooper and wanting to escape from his family was 9:24:28 - just before he left Cooper in the car.

https://www.google.com/search?q=utc+time&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

http://media.wix.com/ugd/943520_295551dff44141fb94f76339ccf8ed7c.pdf

Well, there you have it folks. You cannot "forget" your child if you're talking about him moments before leaving him in a hot car to bake to death.