Trial - Ross Harris #3

[minor4th]

Yeah Kilgore is really outraged at this point, and understandably so IMO.

Do we know yet what evidence the defense just received today? Was it the FBI report on hot car deaths, or is this a separate instance of the state failing to turn over evidence?

Wonder if there's a Brady violation there - re: the FBI notebook and/or the "other" new evidence, if it exists.

The State has really made a mess of this case from beginning to end IMO, and at this point it seems like Boring isn't even really trying.


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[katydid23]

Because, just perhaps, he didn't speak to anyone.

But why do records show a 5 minute call?

 

[minor4th]

I am glade played too.

SO what do you think of the video where allegedly RH says malicious intent?

I missed that. I just read the posts here about it. I'll have to go back and listen carefully.

 

[katydid23]

Agreed. The State's whole presentation has been geared around malicious murder.

Little to no evidence about criminal negligence, which I think is a mistake. I would think the jury would be more likely to convict on the basis of criminal negligence - but the state has done nothing to explain what exactly was the criminally negligent conduct or any evidence about it one way or the other.

Don't they still have a lot of time to discuss criminal negligence? I don't see how they could address it at the beginning, if they are aiming for the malicious intent charges. Wouldn't that hurt their case if they focused on the negligence option at the same time? I'd think they didn't believe the more serious charges if they did that. jmo

 

[Maisiebelle]

But why do records show a 5 minute call?

Thats a good question. If he wasn't connected maybe he was just pretending to be on the phone? Otherwise he would have either spoken to someone or been recorded on voice mail.

 

[minor4th]

Stoddard testifies that Harris called Toddler Room 5 at Little Apron Academy, Cooper's room. But the daycare worker in Toddler Room 5, where Cooper normally went, claimed that she didn't receive such a call or a voicemail. Stoddard said he was unable to resolve the apparent conflict.

Stoddard said he called to speak with Leanna, and Michael Baygents, Harris's brother, answered the phone. Stoddard said Baygents declined to speak with the police and invited Stoddard to call the family's lawyer.

That was very smart of Leanna. Ross ended up being charged with murder when he spoke to police - no way should Leanna have spoken further with police. Ross shouldn't have spoken to them either IMO. Police are not your friends - they are trying to find people to put in jail.

 

[Hope4More]

Stoddard testifies that Harris called Toddler Room 5 at Little Apron Academy, Cooper's room. But the daycare worker in Toddler Room 5, where Cooper normally went, claimed that she didn't receive such a call or a voicemail. Stoddard said he was unable to resolve the apparent conflict.

Stoddard said he called to speak with Leanna, and Michael Baygents, Harris's brother, answered the phone. Stoddard said Baygents declined to speak with the police and invited Stoddard to call the family's lawyer.

RH's brother had good sense. If RH had inherited the same good sense gene he would have invoked the very second Stoddard walked into the interview room.

 

[katydid23]

Wish I could read lips and understand what they are saying in this tense lawyers conference at the table....lol

 

[JerseyGirl]

Thats a good question. If he wasn't connected maybe he was just pretending to be on the phone? Otherwise he would have either spoken to someone or been recorded on voice mail.

Exactly. This is a crucial time, his son is laying dead on hot pavement and there is a 5 minute phone call to LAA that no one at day care is being truthful about.

 

[minor4th]

Don't they still have a lot of time to discuss criminal negligence? I don't see how they could address it at the beginning, if they are aiming for the malicious intent charges. Wouldn't that hurt their case if they focused on the negligence option at the same time? I'd think they didn't believe the more serious charges if they did that. jmo

I suppose they do. They have a couple more days of evidence to present, so maybe they just haven't gotten to it.

 

[JerseyGirl]

RH's brother had good sense. If RH had inherited the same good sense gene he would have invoked the very second Stoddard walked into the interview room.

From Ross' answer in the interrogation room, I think he thought he could sweet talk the officers into letting him go home to grieve. Ross kept bringing up how he worked for a police department in Alabama, he kept using police lingo, etc.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Boring leads Stoddard through the examination of Harris's Apple MacBook Pro, which was confiscated by the police. Police found searches of websites offering escort services, such as craigslist and backpage.com, as well as multiple sites, Stoddard says.

Boring then asks whether Harris used any particular email addresses in association with those searches. Stoddard says yes, and there is a pause as the defense reviews what appears to be the evidence of those email addresses.

Stoddard said a detective found a Google search on Harris' computer for "What prison is really like." He says through that search, Harris clicked on an AskMen article about prison and what it takes to survive.

 

[minor4th]

I'm on a roll with quoting you today, lol.

I don't often watch trials. Why would the defense need to subpoena Stoddard? Doesn't he get to question him on cross?

They were issuing the subpoena to Stoddard to produce the FBI report thingy since Stoddard is the one it was given to.

 

[Hope4More]

But why do records show a 5 minute call?

We've (generally speaking) been round and round this mulberry bush before. . He didn't call in directly to #5, went thru a corporate switchboard, who knows what delayed until the phone actually rang in her room, at a loud and hectic dismissal time.

Plus, there is no (rational) reason for anyone who was in thst room to deny taking a call from RH. All that Stoddard is left with is what imo is prejudicial innuendo about a innocent, uninvolved woman.

I really believe Stoddard's hinky meter is in need of adjustment.

 

[minor4th]

From Ross' answer in the interrogation room, I think he thought he could sweet talk the officers into letting him go home to grieve. Ross kept bringing up how he worked for a police department in Alabama, he kept using police lingo, etc.

More likely, he thought of police as good guys and had no reason not to speak to them since he had nothing to hide.

He didn't understand that police WILL use your words against you, even if you believe you have said nothing incriminating.

I believe this is what Leanna was referring to when she asked "Did you say too much?"

Yes. Yes, he did say too much - even if everything he said is true and this was actually just a horrendous accident.

 

[minor4th]

Honestly, I do not know how the judge can admit these searches if there's absolutely no indication of when the searches took place.


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[JerseyGirl]

We've (generally speaking) been round and round this mulberry bush before. . He didn't call in directly to #5, went thru a corporate switchboard, who knows what delayed until the phone actually rang in her room, at a loud and hectic dismissal time.

Plus, there is no (rational) reason for anyone who was in thst room to deny taking a call from RH. All that Stoddard is left with is what imo is prejudicial innuendo about a innocent, uninvolved woman.

I really believe Stoddard's hinky meter is in need of adjustment.

Hinky meter? Stoddard didn't just pull the 5 minute phone call out of the blue. There is proof in black and white that there was a 5 minute phone call. Even if it transferred from the main number to LAA, that doesn't take 5 minutes! And if I call a day care and they DON'T answer when I call, I'd be a furious parent and want to know why!

 

[JerseyGirl]

Harris's main email address was a gmail account, Stoddard says. Bama30067 was another email that Harris used less frequently.

Boring asks whether police discovered a search on the topic of prison. Stoddard says there was a Google search on an undetermined date of "what is prison really like?"

Boring introduces two additional evidence exhibits, and he and defense attorney Maddox Kilgore have a lengthy conversation about what they are and presumably whether they are admissible.

The first exhibit turns out to be a copy of a Google results page in response to the query "what is prison really like?" One of the results is "how to survive in federal prison," Stoddard testifies.

Kilgore establishes that Stoddard performed the Google search in the past week and that the results page he generated may bear no resemblance to the page that a search more than two years ago would have generated. He then points out that the article in question has no date, but Judge Mary Staley Clark overrules him.

 

[Hope4More]

From Ross' answer in the interrogation room, I think he thought he could sweet talk the officers into letting him go home to grieve. Ross kept bringing up how he worked for a police department in Alabama, he kept using police lingo, etc.

Perceptions. I heard a man who had been detained for being emotional, who sobbed his heart out before the interview, who felt responsible, and cooperated with LE to try to explain what happened, who thought they were on the same side, and more than anything, just wanting that part to be over so he could finally , at last, talk with his wife.

 

[Hope4More]

Harris's main email address was a gmail account, Stoddard says. Bama30067 was another email that Harris used less frequently.

Boring asks whether police discovered a search on the topic of prison. Stoddard says there was a Google search on an undetermined date of "what is prison really like?"

Boring introduces two additional evidence exhibits, and he and defense attorney Maddox Kilgore have a lengthy conversation about what they are and presumably whether they are admissible.

The first exhibit turns out to be a copy of a Google results page in response to the query "what is prison really like?" One of the results is "how to survive in federal prison," Stoddard testifies.

Kilgore establishes that Stoddard performed the Google search in the past week and that the results page he generated may bear no resemblance to the page that a search more than two years ago would have generated. He then points out that the article in question has no date, but Judge Mary Staley Clark overrules him.

Appeals.