trial thread: 04/03/2012

[maxfactor]

Why didn't the testimony include whether Tori's remains were found prone or supine? If she was supine, the rocks could have caused the facial injuries. Otherwise (prone), it had to have been either the hammer or the kicks she suffered beforehand.

JMO

I'm sure they will get to that. IMO it would be hard for Tori to have been in a prone position and to have suffered a hammer blow to her forehead.

 

[~n/t~]

And an innocent man was charged and sentenced for that rape and murder as well.

Didn't that guy have an alibi? He was at work. This accused child kidnapper/rapist/killer was behind the wheel of his car driving an 8 year old little girl to her final horrific destination. Worse than hell.

Hope sweet revenge gets him in prison.

 

[Oldsoul2]

or maybe his "cold sore" was bleeding :what:

I really do not like to point this out but since TLM claimed the blood was contained in the garbage bags, if he had blood on him, chances are it was from raping her.

 

[Sparklin]

and an innocent man was charged and sentenced for that rape and murder as well.

bbm = ??

 

[~n/t~]

When her remains were transported to the coroner's office in Toronto the next day for an autopsy, Pollanen said it was obvious they were dealing with a child.

"The teeth are not fully developed and the bones are not quite fully developed at that point, and obviously she's quite small," Pollanen testified.

:cry:

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityn...ad-leaves-as-court-sees-photos-of-her-remains

 

[antiquegirl]

I thought TLM testified they put rocks on her body. I don't think she specified a number.

She did testify to that. And I believe it. I think the total number quoted ranged from 11 - 12, as found by LE. But there was speculation about how TLM alone could have lifted some of the heavier ones. Well, a burst of adrenaline would explain some of it, but a further explanation could be that the lighter ones were placed or tossed on the body and the really big ones rolled off the pile - either then, or after the property owner added more to it.

Just thinking out loud here and MOO.

 

[Salem]

I'm sure they will get to that. IMO it would be hard for Tori to have been in a prone position and to have suffered a hammer blow to her forehead.

She was in a fetal position - so either way (I would think she was on her side) she would have her head tucked towards her chest, protecting her face. JMO.

Salem

 

[nettie_82]

RaffertyLFP: McClinitc said Victoria's body carried about 10 metres, placed by a tree near a rock pile and they both covered the body with rocks. [via Twitter]

RaffertyLFP: McClintic said they used bottles of waters in Rafferty's vehicle to clean up blood. Rafferty cleaned himself - wiped with McClintic's jacket [via Twitter]

First Tweet verify's my previous post of TLM testifying to placing rocks on Tori. Second Tweet verifies they used water bottles to clean themselves up.

 

[dilbert]

bbm = ??

Quote:
Originally Posted by matou View Post
All I have to say is, I've seen facial injuries to a child's skull and the person who did it killed her and raped her too: it was Christine Jessop's case. JMO

Originally Posted by dilbert
And an innocent man was charged and sentenced for that rape and murder as well.

Not sure what you're asking, "as well" is referring to the Jessop Case, AS WELL as her having been raped and murdered, with injuries to the skull, an innocent man was charged and sentenced with the crime.

 

[antiquegirl]

I'm sure they will get to that. IMO it would be hard for Tori to have been in a prone position and to have suffered a hammer blow to her forehead.

No, no, I meant her position when her remains were found, not during the attack. I had assumed she was standing up while being attacked ... at least initially. Maybe I had even read that during TLM's testimony, but no time to look now.

JMO

 

[Sailor Bug]

Jury is returning now.

Court resuming after afternoon break. Forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Pollanen testifying about autopsy results on body of Tori Stafford.

Pollanen now describing the rib fractures Tori suffered.

He says rib fractures can tell you how the force was applied to the chest.

He says there were fractures on both sides of Tori's chest.

 

[Ardy]

MR was reported to have worked in construction and landscaping and had been asked my BA to help her with her pool..........so he would know which end of the hammer to use.

The fact that the "claw" end was used at least once, indicates that TLM did in fact issue the blows. That end of the hammer is designed to pull out nails, and can bounce off an object if used to strike with force.

Anyone who has worked in construction would know that.

 

[greenthumb]

She was in a fetal position - so either way (I would think she was on her side) she would have her head tucked towards her chest, protecting her face. JMO.

Salem

I agree that the fetal position would mean she was on her side.

Sometimes, when a person has suffered extreme physical or psychological trauma (including massive stress), they will assume the fetal position or a similar position in which the back is curved forward, the legs are brought up as tightly against the abdomen as possible, the head is bowed as close to the abdomen as possible, and the arms are wrapped around the head to prevent further trauma. This position provides better protection to the brain and vital organs than simply lying spread out on the ground, so it is obvious as to why it is an instinctual reaction to extreme stress or trauma when the brain is no longer able to cope with the surrounding environment, and in essence "shuts down" temporarily

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[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_position"]Fetal position - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Oh, this poor defenseless child.

Praying that the experts have done and continue to do their job well, and that the jury is granted the evidence, the insight and the wisdom to bring justice for Tori.

 

[snoofer]

‏ @RaffertyLFP

• Pollanen says there were four hammer blows to head that resulted in skull damage, may have been others.

Defense would have you believe he only cleaned up the crime scene. Could you ever imagine that being done to a child and you NOT telling the police let alone partake in the indignities of the body of a dead child? IMO

You just don't take a strange child in your car, definately not out of town, ludicrous to take one to an abandoned field in the middle of nowhere, witness a hammer murder (that you say you had nothing to do with), help clean up and bury the child...lie to LE...and then walk into court and plead not guilty???Oh yes, and the child had no undies or pants on...nope didn't touch her. Wow. Good luck with that defense.:jail:

 

[Sailor Bug]

Examination of rib cage found there were many rib fractures on both sides of chest.

Showing the fractures ribs to the jury on a slide.

The rib being shown now was fractured in multiple spots.

 

[Sillybilly]

MR was reported to have worked in construction and landscaping and had been asked my BA to help her with her pool..........so he would know which end of the hammer to use.

The fact that the "claw" end was used at least once, indicates that TLM did in fact issue the blows. That end of the hammer is designed to pull out nails, and can bounce off an object if used to strike with force.

Anyone who has worked in construction would know that.

You are assuming that someone who doesn't work with hammers as part of their job wouldn't know which end is which? Whichever end was used when and by whom doesn't indicate who dealt the blows. IMO, the claw end was possibly used to inflict more gouging type wounds as opposed to blunt wounds, or simply in the fury of the moment, it didn't matter to whoever was wielding it.

JMO

 

[Jezbel]

No, no, I meant her position when her remains were found, not during the attack. I had assumed she was standing up while being attacked ... at least initially. Maybe I had even read that during TLM's testimony, but no time to look now.

JMO

The remains were found in the fetal position, she was laying on her right side.

 

[~n/t~]

Avery Moore‏@AveryFreeFMNews

Dr. Pollanen is describing the rib fractures to the jury. Says all injuries were to the front of the ribcage on both sides. #Rafferty

 

[~n/t~]

RaffertyLFP:
Some of Tori's ribs were fractured in more than one place. [via Twitter]

RaffertyLFP:
Examination of rib cage found there were many rib fractures on both sides of chest. [via Twitter]

 

[snoofer]

You are assuming that someone who doesn't work with hammers as part of their job wouldn't know which end is which? Whichever end was used when and by whom doesn't indicate who dealt the blows. IMO, the claw end was possibly used to inflict more gouging type wounds as opposed to blunt wounds, or simply in the fury of the moment, it didn't matter to whoever was wielding it.

JMO

ya and i am not so sure he really works...he might just say he works IMO as when questioned by LE on the audiotape he couldn't actually come up with one odd job he did while in town. He seems kind of lazy IMO and probably wouldn't know one way or the other how to properly do anything in construction or otherwise...I mean look at his car!:what: