Trial Thread 3/14/12

[Hello_Kitty]

In my opinion TLM has nothing to lose at this point by admitting that he specifically picked out Tori - I have never believed that she was targeted. I truly believe it was random that Tori was chosen and had she not gone back in for her moms butterfly earrings, either another little girl would have been taken, or they would have postponed it...

As for the dog -- per her, Rafferty told her to talk to the kid about puppies (all kids like puppies) and TLM's dog just happened to be the same as Tori's...why would she mention some other breed?

I don't think there was a connection, except the brief meetings described by TLM, between Tara and TLM - or Tori for that matter.

I agree with you that TS wasn't targeted. However, I think the whole thing was planned in advance or at least was thought about it alot. MR remained way too coolheaded after the murder, he knew exactly what he should get rid of, he doesn't act irrational as I think most impulse murderers would, etc. JMO

 

[Hello_Kitty]

If DNA of the perpetrator was still available then I would think so.

I mean just physically? She was after all a child of 8, she wouldn't have had experience sexually, wouldn't there be signs other than DNA? This is delicate, I mean wouldn't they know if she had been abused just by looking at her pelvis or something?

 

[tygomuk]

I mean just physically? She was after all a child of 8, she wouldn't have had experience sexually, wouldn't there be signs other than DNA? This is delicate, I mean wouldn't they know if she had been abused just by looking at her pelvis or something?

I would hope they can HK.

 

[Hello_Kitty]

I would hope they can HK.

I do hope so, because TLM told so many lies, she was so high the night all this happened, she could be mis-remembering things or leaving stuff out, or confused about stuff(i'm sure defence will pounce on that)P. It would be devastating if MR was proven not to have been there. Altho, she appears to be very consistent about what MR was wearing, or rather what he wasn't wearing (his pants, shirt) after the murder. A guest lawyer on the news last night said that's what the defence will be attacking, how consistent she is with her info. He said that if she remains consistent and doesn't change her story from her confession, then they should be good.

 

[captaincanada]

I agree with you that TS wasn't targeted. However, I think the whole thing was planned in advance or at least was thought about it alot. MR remained way too coolheaded after the murder, he knew exactly what he should get rid of, he doesn't act irrational as I think most impulse murderers would, etc. JMO

I don't think Tori was targeted specifically but it appears he thought of things ahead of time. While the abduction/murder wasn't completely spontaneous, he still wasn't too bright about things (criminally speaking). Remember, this is a guy who put his faith in an 18 yr old junkie who he met at a pizza shop two months prior to committing a crime of this magnitude. Not the sharpest tool in the shed. JMO

 

[crazyladi]

Are they legally allowed to use wire tapping in the jail as evidence? I heard that they cant because its entrapment.

 

[Hello_Kitty]

I don't think Tori was targeted specifically but it appears he thought of things ahead of time. While the abduction/murder wasn't completely spontaneous, he still wasn't too bright about things (criminally speaking). Remember, this is a guy who put his faith in an 18 yr old junkie who he met at a pizza shop two months prior to committing a crime of this magnitude. Not the sharpest tool in the shed. JMO

Agreed. He really did some rookie stuff. As for trusting an 18yr old junkie, I think she was the perfect tool. I think that's why he picked her specifically. I wonder who he was talking to on his blackberry when TLM showed up at the pizza place and he said in the phone 'what a cute little number' or whatever it was he said.

 

[Sillybilly]

Are they legally allowed to use wire tapping in the jail as evidence? I heard that they cant because its entrapment.

The inmates know they are being recorded so it is not the same as "wiretapping" which is a covert operation tool. One case i can think of is the Tom Svekla trial in Alberta a couple of years ago.

ETA: Caveat ... I jumped the gun on this and will have to check my facts on it being "evidence" .. I could be misremembering and maybe the Svekla recordings were released after his trial was over. Sorry, but will try to find out.

 

[Oldsoul2]

What's going on? Is anyone posting from twitter?

 

[~n/t~]

What's going on? Is anyone posting from twitter?

Nothing yet so far....from LFP

 

[Hello_Kitty]

What's going on? Is anyone posting from twitter?

They're not back from lunch yet. They were supposed to be back at 2:15

 

[tygomuk]

Nothing here.

 

[Hello_Kitty]

AM980.ca‏@AM980_Court

The jury has returned. Ready to begin.

 

[Sailor Bug]

Mcclintic testifies #rafferty drove to 2 locations in Woodstock -the homes of two women he knew who "would be easy to tie up and take."

She says Rafferty took her to two locations where he described the layout of the residences and said it would be easy to "take somebody." McClintic told him she wasn't interested

Mcclintic testifies #rafferty told her "we would be like Bonnie and Clyde."


The #rafferty trial is about to start again after lunch break. McClintic continues to testify.

Court back in session

The jury is walking back into the courtroom and the trial is again underway. The Crown is continuing its examination of Terri-Lynne McClintic, the woman who has previously pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder of Tori Stafford

The jury has returned. Ready to begin.

First question f McClintic after lunch asks her what kind of phone she had

Showing slides of McClintic's mother's phone. She also used it. Rafferty was a contact under "Mike Tzs Man"

 

[~n/t~]

RaffertyLFP: Raw video of Rodney Stafford's lunchtime comments: http://bit.ly/wu1eg5 [via Twitter]

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/03/14/19500231.html

 

[Sailor Bug]

Exhibit shows screen grab of Mcclintcs phone. Shows raffertys number. Titled "mike Tzs man" McClintic says it means rafferty is her man.

Raw video of Rodney Stafford's lunchtime comments: http://bit.ly/wu1eg5

Next exhibit shows Facebook messages between McClintic and her friend michelle

Tzs Man meant T's Man. McClintic's mother called her T.

McClintic is identfying phone numbers messages she sent

 

[Salem]

The inmates know they are being recorded so it is not the same as "wiretapping" which is a covert operation tool. One case i can think of is the Tom Svekla trial in Alberta a couple of years ago.

ETA: Caveat ... I jumped the gun on this and will have to check my facts on it being "evidence" .. I could be misremembering and maybe the Svekla recordings were released after his trial was over. Sorry, but will try to find out.

In the US, prisoners have NO expectation of privacy. Calls and visits are almost always recorded and can and often are, used against the prisoner or the visitor.

Salem

 

[Hello_Kitty]

Cynthia Mulligan‏@CityCynthia
#Rafferty - judge clarifying to jury what a lie is - repeating it does not make it true.

 

[~n/t~]

RaffertyLFP: McClintic is identfying phone numbers messages she sent [via Twitter]

 

[fats]

Sounds like this creep was just starting a career.

Or was he taking it to the next perverse level. JMO he has done other crimes similar in nature and wasn't caught.