trial thread: 3/21/2012

[swedie]

Just asking, Kingston is a male prison isn't it??? Also does anyone know where they put TLM?

Sorry if someone already answered this. Yes KP is all males. They use to have a facility for women but it was closed in 2000. Kitchener I believe. :moo:

 

[crazyladi]

Well this is all well and horrific but has she actually done anything to any of the people that were threatened in these letters?

And where is the letter that threatens TM and her family?

And here she is now between a rock and a hard place. She has to spend the next 23 years at least in prison, where she obviously wants to keep up her "fierce street cred gangsta persona" for protection, so she can't exactly answer that the persona she spent years cultivating was an "act" or was all for show now can she?

I'm with her though. How is an entire day reading out these letters relevent? I get it...we all get it. She's a tough gangsta wannabe. I say wannabe because up until she eventually admitted to striking Victoria in the head three times with a hammer, she didn't have the killer credentials did she? Now she can consider herself a full fledged crip because she has her first, and, lord willing, only murder under her belt? Is she eligable for a tear drop tattoo now? It's just all so frustratingly nauseating. And to know that there are many others like her running around free is just frightening. Because if any of them meet up with a sexual deviant with a plan, we're going to be dealing with this all over again.

MOO

I still think that no matter what gang you are in be it cripps or hells angels they dont condone killing children. If you do then you are in trouble.

 

[dilbert]

She admitted she lied. She said she did it. Which is the bigger lie?

Agreed, she lies, and sorting out the lies from truth will be difficult, however, evidence is being submitted to support the fact that TLM was not lying about who murdered Tori. These letters show a full YEAR before she ever met MR that she had violent thoughts, vengeful thoughts and ideas on how to elude police by changing her appearance, all before she ever had any reason to lie. Therefore, IMO she is not lying when she says now that SHE killed Tori, but she is still lying about who's idea it was, as well as who's idea it was to change her appearance.

 

[maxfactor]

I wonder if TLM saved all those letters or if the person she was writing to saved them?
All very damning.

MOO

This has me wondering why she even wrote those letters knowing full well that the staff would read them before they were mailed out. According to one of the tweets she had to see a psychiatrist because of the violence in the letters.

 

[KMouse]

guess MTR likes that kind a gal IMO...this goes to his character. You are the company you keep IMO.

I couldn't have said this better.

 

[Kamille]

I wonder if TLM saved all those letters or if the person she was writing to saved them?
All very damning.

MOO

I think they were all on file in her juvenile detention record. Sounds like she wrote most if not all of them while in detention. She knew those letters were getting to prison authorities. Just another way for her to intimidate and scare them. A cry for help really IMO. They even put her in pyschiatric counselling for some of them didn't they?

MOO

 

[swedie]

Derstine won't ask anything about Rafferty. JMO

That's ok the Crown will when they re-examine TLM after defense is done. :moo:

 

[Hello_Kitty]

She also said that was then and she's not like that anymore <paraphrasing>. I'll go look for the tweet.

But she was like that then. Whether it was a year before Tori's murder or when Tori was murdered she was still like that then. She is saying she is not like that now, 3 years after Tori's murder.

 

[KMouse]

doesn't say alot good about the quality of the psychological help/and or follow up she received in the past...or our system...this girl should have had red flags all over her...the system failed massively both her and society.

To me it's fodder for a lawsuit from the Staffords.

 

[Sailor Bug]

McClintic letter talks about exacting revenge against Muslim inmate "I will take his family hostage and make him watch" will torture family


With all of her hatred spewing all over the place I am actually starting to believe that she hated everyone and everything including herself.
She was a BIG talker and spewed to anyone who would listen all for the sole purpose of giving herself an identity. If people were afraid of her...she was somebody.
Her "stories or threats" gave her an identity. She became the only thing she knew to project...

jmo

 

[dilbert]

Did she force MR to rape Tori?

AM980.ca &#8207; @AM980_Court
One portion of a letter included McClintic saying she wanted to force another inmate to rape a member of their own family.

 

[KMouse]

Well I was right about Derstine, in that he would cross about TLM's violent past. Next: jealousy? JMO

Yes. That will be the motive for her ratting MR out.

It's like we write the script here...lol

 

[Oldsoul2]

Also we just need to watch that video again of her all over MR in the movie theater trying desperately to get his attention, she isnt what she acts like

 

[KMouse]

And this folks is why he dared her

and why he KNEW he could and she would take the bait.

 

[crazyladi]

In Canada gangs are not at all like they are in the states. I find it almost unbelievable that she claims to be associated with the crips. Crips are primarily African American but they do have other members. If she was in a gang it wouldn't be in Woodstock!!! Toronto/Scarborough maybe but trust me she wouldn't last a minute talking smack like she did. They would have killed her. JMOO

 

[crazyladi]

Also we just need to watch that video again of her all over MR in the movie theater trying desperately to get his attention, she isnt what she acts like

Totally agree. She was starving for love.

 

[nobodyzgirl]

Trial resumes after break as jury comes back in. #rafferty again stands as they enter

Derstine reading more letters by McClintic. They continue to detail murders. Derstine"how you were feeling at the time?" mcC "yes" #rafferty

Derstine "you were developing a theme that you would hurt these people but also other people in their family?" #rafferty

 

[Sailor Bug]

Court resumes but the jury is out

Jury is coming back in - questioning of McClintic will resume

In another letter McClintic vows revenge against a person and his family - "would never leave Woodstock" - house would be burned down

McClintic said she wanted to burn down the house of another inmate's family if she didn't get her way.

Derstine "you were developing a theme that you would hurt these people but also other people in their family?"

Terri-Lynne McClintic wrote that she needed to learn to use a gun and wanted to "go on a (expletive) killing spree

Derstine suggests that McClintic would not only hunt down her enemies but also their families and other innocent people - she agrees

Derstine asks McClintic if there's a theme surrounding her desire to hurt innocent people attached to her enemies.

She agrees there was a theme.

Derstine "you were developing a theme that you would hurt these people but also other people in their family

McC letter "I want the f---ing rush" from a murder

 

[Hello_Kitty]

I think they were all on file in her juvenile detention record. Sounds like she wrote most if not all of them while in detention. She knew those letters were getting to prison authorities. Just another way for her to intimidate and scare them. A cry for help really IMO. They even put her in pyschiatric counselling for some of them didn't they?

MOO

I agree with you she probably wanted authorities to see them. I'm not proud of this, but when I was 17 my father sent me to live with my mother, but I didn't want to go there because I didn't get along with my stepfather and my mother was nuts a bit back then. I ended up having to go anyway. I would constantly do stuff to get myself sent away and nothing really worked. One day I wrote a poem, there was nothing really bad in it that I can remember, but it had to do with witchcraft - I liked reading witchcraft books back then - anyway, i guess it spooked my mom and finally she called my social worker and said that she wanted me gone. The moral of the story, I got the attention i wanted.

 

[nobodyzgirl]

McC letter "I want the f---ing rush" from a murder. #rafferty