trial thread: 3/27/2012

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  • #421
Personally, I'd rather be a "BIG FAT ZERO" than a pedophile, rapist and murderer. What's TLM? A child murderer and puppy nuker.

MOO

there WAS another option the decent human option...he could have left the scene at the first available chance, secured his family, informed LE and given the parents closure. ZERO! And that is my final word on it :hero:
 
  • #422
I am new here so hello to all.
I have been reading all the forms but have not been able to reply. Here are my thoughts.
So today why didn't either the crown or the defense ask if BA saw anything weird about the car or if there was anyone else in the back of the car?
Does anyone think MR will take the stand and if so when? Since Thursday there is a scheduling mix up does anyone know if the jury will go out to the crime scene??

I found it odd that in the tweets and media reports BA states his "blue" car was parked by the tree.
 
  • #423
MTR has ties to mount forest that is coming up sometime soon
Do we know what the ties are? is it family? a ex girlfriend? work
 
  • #424
Yeah, TLM is so good at lying about her criminal deeds that she's gotten caught on every one of them. :floorlaugh:

(RSBM)

How can we know this? For all anyone knows, TLM could have a hundred other criminal deeds that she's never been caught at. This could be just the tip of the iceberg. She was only 18 when she murdered a child. Even younger when she nuked her dog. Heaven help us all had she not been caught when she was. She's beyond the help of any therapist. Her only hope is a good exorcist.

JMO
 
  • #425
MR must have had some money left over after they buried Tori under the rocks. He asked TLM is she wanted to go get something to eat. :sick:Unless he was expecting TLM to pay for his food as he paid for the garbage bags and hammer. :moo: Actually I think he invited her along on this adventure so rightfully he should be footing the bill...no? :waitasec:

When he asked if she wanted something to eat after the killing of Tori, "I scoffed," she testified.

When Crown attorney Kevin Gowdey asked her how Tori seemed in the back of the car on the drive from Woodstock, McClintic frowned and her chin trembled.

"It was ... how is a little girl supposed to seem in that situation?" she asked, incredulity rising in her voice.


http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/14/killer-describes-how-toris-murder-was-covered-up

TLM also stated that he purchased some sort of cleaner or wipes (or something along that line) at the variety store near the car wash, they used them to try to clean the back seat. When that didnt work, he got her to cut the seat with the knife. IIRC
 
  • #426
I found it odd that in the tweets and media reports BA states his "blue" car was parked by the tree.

Not odd at all. Because it was probably blue every other time she saw it. She probably didn't even notice the paint job considering he was out of the car and halfway up the driveway to meet her so she didn't have to come down to the car to talk to him and meet his new friend.

MOO
 
  • #427
FWIW, I think it's spelled, Bandidos, not sure they'd take too kindly being referenced to sound like a bag of zesty snacks. ;)

Umm .. their logo is the Fat Mexican, and i bet he didn't get that way munching on celery stick ;)
 
  • #428
(RSBM)

How can we know this? For all anyone knows, TLM could have a hundred other criminal deeds that she's never been caught at. This could be just the tip of the iceberg. She was only 18 when she murdered a child. Even younger when she nuked her dog. Heaven help us all had she not been caught when she was. She's beyond the help of any therapist. Her only hope is a good exorcist.

JMO

BBM

How do we know that MR doesn't have any? He's had a lot more years roaming around southern Ontario. And there are a lot of unsolved crimes in those areas.

TLM has spent most of her young life in foster homes and detention centres. And with no wheels to get around, we're not aware of any violent unsolved crimes in the areas she was living in.

MOO
 
  • #429
Da*n! All my hard work spinning a tale and I get tripped up because I have absolutely no sense of direction. Still, they say there is a fool born every day, and MR might have been behind the door when the smarts were being handed out. Now TLM on the other hand has the kind of street smarts and life experiences that you just can't learn from a book. She has lived a hard knock life, and is used to thinking on her feet in order to save her own butt. I think that is why the lies come so easily to her - she is very practiced and has had good examples in the art of living hand to mouth and abusing the system. She does know when it is appropriate to cry, to apologize, to be kind - but these are likely emotions that are very foreign to her - she is only mimiking what she has seen in others and doesn't have the actual emotions - except her anger, which is all encompassing.

I do think though that TLM formulated her plan on the fly - MR is lucky she doesnt drive or he may have found himself with a splitting headache - no witnesses.

Question: How is it that nobody has mentioned whether TLM was worried whether MR would turn her in or cave under questioning and give her up? Was the guy with the bloodshot eyes in the parking lot delivering a message from TLM or his mother that freaked MR out? Otherwise, why even mention him? It seemed like such a random comment from MR at the time.

Ah well, the defence hasn't asked for my help yet, cause you know I really, really want to pitch them the Banditos scenario, so I guess they feel they have it under control.

JMO

Because he raped VS and that would be giving himself up!!!!
 
  • #430
Not odd at all. Because it was probably blue every other time she saw it. She probably didn't even notice the paint job considering he was out of the car and halfway up the driveway to meet her so she didn't have to come down to the car to talk to him and meet his new friend.

MOO

I think his car was partially blue and then some of it was painted over with matte black. Early on in the case, it was described as blue. Caused a lot of confusion because it looked all black in the Esso video.

From this Tweet, I'm guessing that MTR's car was parked on the street in front of BA's house when she got home. She drove into her driveway and as she did, he got out of the car and met her there. She looked down at the car, saw TLM in the passenger seat, but couldn't see Tori because of the tinted back windows.

London Free Press‏@RaffertyLFP

Armstrong got back from work around 4:30 p.m that day to find Rafferty parked outside her home - car was blue Honda Civic

JMO
 
  • #431
Welcome,
I was also wondering the same thing about BA, it seems that they could have asked more questions. Perhaps she was a reluctant witness?

I know BA was reluctant to talk to reports after her testimony.:what: Good video of today. JMO but MR seems stoned in the video as he just about bumps into rack. He has a distinct walk about him. Something odd about his walk. Just can't figure it out. Just like people recognized TLM's walk in that CASS video. :waitasec:JMHO

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/CanadaAM/...-tori-stafford-murder-trial-continues-120327/
 
  • #432
Because he raped VS and that would be giving himself up!!!!

yet to be proven - could be another lie TLM came up with, Hopefully forensics will help lay this to rest, My opinion is that there will be no conclusion but If there is DNA to prove a rape occured then i pray he is put away forever
 
  • #433
I know BA was reluctant to talk to reports after her testimony.:what: Good video of today. JMO but MR seems stoned in the video as he just about bumps into rack. He has a distinct walk about him. Something odd about his walk. Just can't figure it out. Just like people recognized TLM's walk in that CASS video. :waitasec:JMHO

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/CanadaAM/...-tori-stafford-murder-trial-continues-120327/

I hope all of these drug peddlers have been charged to full extent of the law and no deals were offered.:twocents: Who prescribed these drugs that are then resold illegally? Why are doctors writing seemingly endless scripts for patients who apparently do not need that endless supply?
 
  • #434
yet to be proven - could be another lie TLM came up with, Hopefully forensics will help lay this to rest, My opinion is that there will be no conclusion but If there is DNA to prove a rape occured then i pray he is put away forever

Why did he get rid of his back seat? He never revealed where it went, as LE have stated it was never found.
 
  • #435
When did the black matte finish get put on MR's car?
 
  • #436
I hope all of these drug peddlers have been charged to full extent of the law and no deals were offered.:twocents:

It seems to be about a year or 2 ago that there was a rash of drug busts in certain areas, I always wondered if they came from this case....
 
  • #437
It seems to be about a year or 2 ago that there was a rash of drug busts in certain areas, I always wondered if they came from this case....

I hope so. I would think that LE would have started numerous spin off investigations with all the crime that seemed to be going on in those areas.:jail:
 
  • #438
I know BA was reluctant to talk to reports after her testimony.:what: Good video of today. JMO but MR seems stoned in the video as he just about bumps into rack. He has a distinct walk about him. Something odd about his walk. Just can't figure it out. Just like people recognized TLM's walk in that CASS video. :waitasec:JMHO

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/CanadaAM/...-tori-stafford-murder-trial-continues-120327/

I notice in your link of him walking to the ATM that he is wearing a white dress shirt. That seems out of character for him. I wonder if he intentionally wore clothes that day that he could just throw away instead of having to get rid of one of his designer hoodies????
 
  • #439
Why did he get rid of his back seat? He never revealed where it went, as LE have stated it was never found.

Only he knows the truth, But i assume somewhere in this case it will be asked by the crown why and where and then we will atleast have his answer.

I believe the backseat was removed because Tori was scared and possible wet her pants and the backseat? And he didnt notice it till the smell started to set it maybe? or TLM got blood on the backseat when she was getting clothes out of the gymbag that im assuming was in the back of the car somewhere. the list could go on.. Im giving some room for the "duped" plea and the evidence section from the crown.
 
  • #440
I notice in your link of him walking to the ATM that he is wearing a white dress shirt. That seems out of character for him. I wonder if he intentionally wore clothes that day that he could just throw away instead of having to get rid of one of his designer hoodies????

He was wearing a button down shirt, wow. I guess he didn't need to pull it over his head to take it off. JMO I noticed he wasn't wearing a coat in that video either. Wasn't it cold that day?
 
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