Trial Thread 4/12/2012

[Sailor Bug]

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Derstine asks about semen stain on passenger seat, suggests it would dry quickly. McLean says yes.

RaffertyLFP: Court is shown blood stain on door moulding near rear passenger seat in Rafferty's car

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Stains with mixed DNA may not have both DNA sources deposited at the same time, McLean says.

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McLean agrees that a stain with blood and semen could have fluid deposits from different dates. Like stains on front seat of #Rafferty's car

 

[CarrieBean]

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Stains with mixed DNA may not have both DNA sources deposited at the same time, McLean says.

Did not want to hear this.

 

[Sailor Bug]

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Derstine says conclusion about blood on the door has no impact on conclusions about unidentified blood.

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There was a sperm fraction in the blood spot on the door, but it may not have come from semen, Derstine suggests. McLean says that's true.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

:banghead:

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Stains with mixed DNA may not have both DNA sources deposited at the same time, McLean says.

Did not want to hear this.

 

[Sailor Bug]

RaffertyLFP: Derstine said there was sperm fraction in the blood spot but it does not mean it came from semen, McLean agrees

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Derstine asks about cut out back seat. There's a sperm fraction on the material, but not certainly from semen.

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There was no semen detected in the back seat. No way to determine where sperm fraction cella came from.

 

[brighidin]

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Derstine says conclusion about blood on the door has no impact on conclusions about unidentified blood.

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There was a sperm fraction in the blood spot on the door, but it may not have come from semen, Derstine suggests. McLean says that's true.

Where else does sperm come from? Clearly i'm missing something. :waitasec:

 

[robynhood]

...Hey Kamille ....IMO and I am sure we all realize this..>>>>>it is what he is suppose to do>>> lousy job as a ..." DEFENSE ATTORNEY !...been in Ont. courts and they can TRY and explain that even blood is not RED...( the obvious)....again my VERY STRONG IMO!....they try anything to get their client to look INOCENT ...better say again in my opinion from being in our ONT> courts .....that is why I signed "The Tori LAw "....robynhood !

 

[daisy.faithfull]

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Derstine says conclusion about blood on the door has no impact on conclusions about unidentified blood.

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There was a sperm fraction in the blood spot on the door, but it may not have come from semen, Derstine suggests. McLean says that's true.

Isnt seman the only body fluid that has sperm?

 

[CarrieBean]

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one confused by this statement

 

[Juris_Prudence]

:banghead:

Another thought about the male DNA. They could not identify who the male dna belonged to (right?). Did MR buy the car used? If so, is it possible the male dna stain belonged to a former owner? If he bought the car used, it could have come from any male on the planet. I wonder if Derstine is going to bring that up as well now?

 

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Rafferty's lawyer Dirk Derstine is currently questioning the biologist who tested blood and semen stains in the accused's car

RaffertyLFP: McLean tells Derstine there are technical problems in determining whether male DNA found in some samples is actually from semen

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Showing the driver's seat from Rafferty's car. Again, Derstine notes sperm fraction was located. May not be semen.

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In some spots sperm fraction was found, semen was ruled out as being present. But, surface may have been washed, McLean says

 

[brighidin]

Another thought about the male DNA. They could not identify who the male dna belonged to (right?). Did MR buy the car used? If so, is it possible the male dna stain belonged to a former owner? If he bought the car used, it could have come from any male on the planet. I wonder if Derstine is going to bring that up as well now?

I think Derstine is trying to shift the focus away from the evidence that Tori's blood/dna was found in MR's car, so yes, he'll probably bring up anything. IMO

 

[Tahorn]

with the amount of DNA in the car and the locations of where it was found tells a story but so does the lack of DNA.

 

[nettie_82]

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Stains with mixed DNA may not have both DNA sources deposited at the same time, McLean says.

Did not want to hear this.

But in REALITY what are the chances they weren't???

 

[CarrieBean]

But in REALITY what are the chances they weren't???

All that is needed is reasonable doubt

 

[Kamille]

One hole that i do see in TLM's story is that she claims MR and her went to Cambridge to clean the car and change their clothes and then back to Woodstock right? The police i believe stated that they pinged MR cell phone in mount forest at 750ish? TLM says that MR dropped her off at 9.00pm in Woodstock?? Well, what I don't get IF i have the times right, that MR would not have had time to drive from Mount Forest to Cambridge clean his car, change their clothing and then back to Woodstock in that time frame. Does anyone have the correct time of MR cell phone ping and the time TLM says MR dropped her off in Woodstock?

I believe TLM's account was vague about the time she got back to Woodstock. I think she said sometime between 9-10pm. But what is interesting is that they left Guelph headed for the crime scene just after 5pm. The drive to the location should be just under an hour. So they must have arrived there around 6pm. And they were still there at 7:47pm, likely just leaving which is why he was checking his phone. That's a lot of time for a walk while a murder takes place and then moving a deceased body to a rock pile. You'd think he would have wanted to get out of there quick. Or did he walk to Mt Forest and back while all that was going on? :waitasec:

MOO

 

[nettie_82]

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In some spots sperm fraction was found, semen was ruled out as being present. But, surface may have been washed, McLean says.

Did TLM not testify the car was shampooed at the car wash? I must go find a tweet now.

 

[Sailor Bug]

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Showing the passenger front seat, where semen was found.

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There was also McClintic's DNA on the seat.

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This was the only place in the vehicle that McLean has determined semen was certainly present.

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Derstine reminds the court McClintic's DNA (likely) was found nearby

Avery Moore ‏ @AveryFreeFMNews
McLean says the stains on the front passenger seat are the only stains she can conclusively say are from semen.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Another thought about the male DNA. They could not identify who the male dna belonged to (right?). Did MR buy the car used? If so, is it possible the male dna stain belonged to a former owner? If he bought the car used, it could have come from any male on the planet. I wonder if Derstine is going to bring that up as well now?

I suppose at this point anything could be possible. Even if he bought the car used, just because MTR owned the car doesn't mean that someone else's sperm couldn't have gotten on the moulding.

 

[Sailor Bug]

RaffertyLFP: Court is shown photo of Goodlife Fitness bag Derstine asks about size of the blood stain McLean said it is "a fraction of millimetre

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Moving on to the gym bag. Derstine notes blood spot was invisible to naked eye. McLean agrees.

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Derstine is questioning McLean about the blood on the gym bag found in #Rafferty's car. Said yesterday could be Rafferty's and Tori's blood.

RaffertyLFP: There were several sources of DNA in the blood stain McLean said blood was one source but there could have been other sources