Trial Thread 4/20/2012

[Flowercb]

If I listed on a flow chart the proven character flaws of TLM and the character flaws of MR...well lets just say I know whose would be the worst and whose would be most likely to murder a small child....haven't heard anyone state to date that MR was full of rage but have sure heard plenty about TLM...I know who I would not be leery of meeting in a dark alley.....JMO

TLM is not on trial here.

 

[JayFriend]

I'm finding myself wondering if any of these women are visiting him in jail.

Can a convict have conjugal visits with multiple partners?

 

[Wondergirl]

How are they not VICTIMS. They had been lied to, cheated on, disrespected and now they had police and detective involvement in their lives to come forward and testify in the case plus they had to face him again. To me I think that is a VICTIM. If not please explain to me what you would consider these ladies.

I agree. These women are victims of MTR also. They had courage to face him again, courage to face the public and the courts, courage to face the media, courage to face the public opinion boards, courage to face their friends at the water cooler....they had courage, and they ARE victims.

Most of them are probably (speculation alert, MOO) thankful they and their children are still alive.




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MOO

 

[snoofer]

Yeah LOTS of legal issues, as in he was a pimp and he's not up for trial for THAT crime...does this defense lawyer have any morals????

oh i bet that MTR had guy friends too but we call them associates...perhaps parallel investigations? JMO What a toad in every way.

 

[snoofer]

BLAMMO. <modsnip>

SO SHOCKED that MTR was a pimp-- are you? It certainly explains his money. Despite knowing about <modsnip> and MTR's connection, I never once put together that he was her pimp. Quite honestly, he didn't seem smart enough for that. Just my opinion there. Wonder where they are going to go with this.

not shocked at all; and won't be shocked if he is into other things also JMO

 

[Hello_Kitty]

Disturbing yet Interesting Article

How to Be a Pimp: Using Maslow's Hierarchy of Human Need to Make the Most Money

-"You pimp with your mind and not with your hands." He said this because people often confuse pimping with extortion and strong-arm robbery.

-If you want to make it by being an intimidator then go ahead on. It's easy. You just find somebody weaker than you and rob them. Just remember to victimize people that are outside the protection of the law. Don't just focus on prostitutes. Beat on weak drug dealers, dishonest store-owners or dope-fiends or anyone else that the police won't protect

-But being a pimp is harder-it requires a different mind-set and a different skill set
-What most young players don't know is that the quickest way to make money as a pimp is to fall in love with a prostitute.

To really be successful pimping you have to understand Maslow's Hierarchy of Human Need-players call it the "Pyramid."

-To categorize human need you divide the triangle into five different parts, each of which represents a basic need that all human beings have, including prostitutes. The largest area of the pyramid, the part at the bottom, shows the most pressing of human needs: food, air and water, called "physiological needs."

At the second level of the pyramid is the need for safety and security. You might be able to find a way in here.

-To get in at this level you will say something along the lines of, "I want to protect you,"

At the third level of the pyramid are the human needs for Love and Belongingness, such as the love of family and friends

-Usually, the prostitute is not getting these needs met. That's why the easiest way to get started pimping is to fall in love with a woman who is turning tricks. She probably has a need for love that is not getting met. The average guy on the street does not see her as a logical prospect for a love relationship

-This is where a good pimp can make a living-if he's got the right stuff to be a pimp. All of these women need love. A lot of them are good-looking, resourceful and funny. If you can find a way to "have feelings" for them you will be rewarded financially

-if you have good theatrical skills you might be able to provide an illusion of love-that is, to make her think that you love her.

http://voices.yahoo.com/how-pimp-using-maslows-hierarchy-human-98860.html

Thanks SB. Makes alot of sense now

 

[TopTop]

Nice headline by the National Post...............

Calling the witness a prostitute?

I heard she was an escort...........not a prostitute.

Was there any testimony that the witness was a prostitute?

JMO.........

I've always believed that escorts are higher paid prostitutes. I'm pretty sure that is what they are.... MOO

 

[snoofer]

I think MR saw women as objects, things he could manipulate, by telling them he loved them etc. He would persist and get what he wanted, money, drugs, a little girl. This woman is another casualty of him, IMO. POOR TORI! JMO

child ring, or sex trafficking nothing would surprise me at this point. JMO

 

[Confusedashell]

I agree. These women are victims of MTR also. They had courage to face him again, courage to face the public and the courts, courage to face the media, courage to face the public opinion boards, courage to face their friends at the water cooler....they had courage, and they ARE victims.

Most of them are probably (speculation alert, MOO) thankful they and their children are still alive.




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MOO

I totally agree with you. Not only have they had to face their fears they had to face speculation from the public, their co-workers and everyone else who has now made a judgement about them because they knew of or dated the accused MR. MR didn't physically hurt them but sometimes the emotional damage someone does hurts more then physical. I would just like to thank all the girls for coming forward and helping in getting justice for poor Victoria and her family.

As for visiting MR. If they were testifying in his trial would they be able to visit him?

 

[Wondergirl]

Wonder if the real reason court got such a late start today was because *Mr. Nice Guy* didn't want to watch himself being exposed as a pimp by CS. Maybe he threw a fit and had to be dragged out ... JMO

Exactly what I was wondering. Hinky!

 

[nursebeeme]

Obviously that is what people want to believe who want to see him guilty of all charges. Those that wish to watch the legal system run it's course and observe, might not be so bent on wanting to entertain that accusation. JMO

I completely disagree. In your earlier post you said that if he had all these mature women than he must not be a pedophile.

All I said was that maybe he was fishing for women to get closer to children.

As for having an opinion and than being lumped into a group that doesn't want to watch the legal system run it's course and being"bent" on wanting to "entertain accusations"... well that is a glittering generalization that I do not fit into.

MOO

 

[snoofer]

I wonder if he paid taxes on all that money he got! I guess it won't matter once he's convicted of kidnapping/raping a minor and murdering her.

i think LE should follow the money and take it. He didn't pay taxes and if he owns or gave something to someone it should be taken too; drug money.

TLM said he said "TS was too young". Too young for him or for a client or what. This guy is diabolical and I hope they got to the bottom of all of his dealings as murder is amongst a whole host of naughties he has been up to.. JMO

 

[nursebeeme]

I am not sure crazyladi but I will contact a mod to have it removed as I sure don't want to be credited with a quote from someone else. thanks for pointing that out to me...

just hit the alert button and I can fix it for you

 

[nobodyzgirl]

Is it possible that there is a publication ban on some women because there will be a court case involving him for some other reason???

I believe the public ban on various women is to hide their identity because of the type of job they have, etc. and absolutely nothing to do with MR whatsoever. Are you suggesting or thinking that these unidentified women may sue MR for something - what could they possibly sue him for, last I heard it was not illegal to date more than one woman at a time.

 

[maxfactor]

Can a convict have conjugal visits with multiple partners?

Oh my god what a thought!!! Luckily I think it's only one and they have to go through a process first. I think you have to have been in a relationship at the time of your incarceration, but a guy like him would be able to weasel that somehow I'm sure.

 

[Macright]

just hit the alert button and I can fix it for you

thank you Nursebeeme..I have already sent an email to another Mod but I will follow your directions.. Thank you so much..

 

[Ardy]

I've always believed that escorts are higher paid prostitutes. I'm pretty sure that is what they are.... MOO

It appears that a lot of other people make that assumption as well.

I don't think it is an accurate assumption to make.

Prostitution is the exchange of sex for money.

Escorts exchange their time for money.

Still looking for any references to prostitution in the testimony.

JMO..............

 

[Wondergirl]

I totally agree with you. Not only have they had to face their fears they had to face speculation from the public, their co-workers and everyone else who has now made a judgement about them because they knew of or dated the accused MR. MR didn't physically hurt them but sometimes the emotional damage someone does hurts more then physical. I would just like to thank all the girls for coming forward and helping in getting justice for poor Victoria and her family.

As for visiting MR. If they were testifying in his trial would they be able to visit him?

I bet many of his ex-GF's did not know about the escort business (let alone the fact there were other women), and now there will be broad strokes made, and undeservedly so.

One of his ex-GF's has a Pin-Up site of some sort, and it makes you wonder now, with this new testimony. Just because you dress up in vintage clothing, doesn't mean you are an escort. Just because you dated MTR, it doesn't make you an escort.

You can't assume that there were any more than 1 escorts involved here, but, you would be forgiven for speculating that he was raking in the dough, and wanted to recruit more women to make him $$$, which, IMO, definitely goes to CHARACTER, regardless of what Judge Heeney has to say! lol

LE may or may not have found more women who were escorts providing MTR with funds, but, Charity was the one who deposited the $$ the day of the abduction, who witnessed the lack of seat in early March, and to whom he BBM'd profusely on April 8, 2009, so, she is the one we heard from.

JMO

 

[crazyladi]

I believe the public ban on various women is to hide their identity because of the type of job they have, etc. and absolutely nothing to do with MR whatsoever. Are you suggesting or thinking that these unidentified women may sue MR for something - what could they possibly sue him for, last I heard it was not illegal to date more than one woman at a time.

I am not suggesting anything I was just asking a question as to why the ban was in place. I asked a couple of days ago but it wasnt answered so I thought that maybe it was because there is another trial going on either for them alone or maybe against him. Just really asking why is all

 

[Wondergirl]

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