Trial Thread 4/4/2012

[crazyladi]

She didn't seem like MR kind of girl at all. She was into rap, real gangster. She wasn't into chick flicks. MR wore his heart on his sleeve and hopeless romantic.

I disagree. She liked jay-z, nwa, snoop and if MR liked hip hop he would most likely liked that music as well. Jmo

 

[matou]

The Good Life Fitness club is located in the basement of the Quality Inn.

I know. I had a feeling almost three years ago that the "gym" was at this location. JMO

 

[JayFriend]

It would be interesting to know which maps and which location he is zeroing in on!!!!!!

I'm thinking that he'd find the maps interesting. Everything else so far has been old hat to him. Been there, done that. let's move on. JMO

 

[dilbert]

Just trying to get caught on today's testimony.

Did helicopters actually fly over Woodstock the day after TS's disappearance? Did I miss a reference to this during today's testimony?

According to MTR, he heard the helicopters and told this to LE during his interview.

Page 21 of 44

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86510694/TRANSCRIPT-Michael-Rafferty-interview-with-OPP-2009-05-15

Yes they did.

 

[flipflop]

When they tweeted about the messy house, they weren't kidding!!:thud:

Rafferty trial evidence: Day 18

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/04/19594746.html

hmmm in pic #85 I wonder what the "detail" was just south of MF.

 

[dilbert]

"EOA" Wonder if that refers to the "East of Adelaide" gang from London that TK (wife of Bandido) associates with?

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/04/19594746.html

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2012/01/12/19237571.html

Q: How many street gangs are there in London?

Police are aware of seven established street gangs that operate within the city of London: White Oaks Crew, East of Adelaide (EOA), Kipps Lane Crew, FU Crew, Kurdish Pride, Black Shirt Gang (BSG) and H-Block. However, these gangs aren't necessarily confined to any specific area as their names might imply.

 

[Kamille]

You know they keep insinuating that the evidence items were found in TLM's bedroom but according to her neighbour....

Their home was crammed with stuff; you couldn't walk through it without stepping on something, said ex-neighbour Craig Racine, 32. Mother and daughter shared a mattress on the floor, he said.

http://www.canada.com/Terri+Lynne+McClintic+lost+soul+didn+stand+chance+life/3951599/story.html

So I wonder if they weren't both sharing that room as a bedroom? :waitasec:

MOO

 

[BorgQueen]

ty for keeping us up to date


Anyone find it strange that TLM kept anything connected to Tori. and appearently just laying about not even hidden? such as the phone numbers ect, the journals also, i dont wrap my head around it.. Vindictive Setup ??

I am a bit behind, catching up, replying to this anyway...

It has been my opinion that TLM wanted to get caught, and never intended to go down alone. Between her remarkable memory of the crime scene, and all these little things she has left behind, seemingly deliberately IMO, that is my conclusion.
This woman has had no safety, structure, or control in her life. She has been in and out of detention centres, and I would guess that she is comfortable when she is 'locked up'. She has the safety that she never had as a child. It is structured. And she has control over a lot of the situations. She can establish herself as a tough-girl and get her way, control others, etc. I think she is exactly where she wants to be, and I believe this is why she confessed and tried to help find Tori's body, and most recently, taken the blame for the murder itself. She is happy where she is. I do not see her trying to get out early, if at all. In fact, I think that is why she took 'credit' for the actual murder. Will reduce her chances of being let out.
Just my opinion, of course. So, no, I don't find it strange that she left this stuff about. I don't find any of her behaviour very shocking at all :moo:

 

[Kamille]

"EOA" Wonder if that refers to the "East of Adelaide" gang from London that TK (wife of Bandido) associates with?

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/04/19594746.html

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2012/01/12/19237571.html

Q: How many street gangs are there in London?

Yes I believe it does refer to that gang...

Several years ago, Shipway boasted online that her father belonged to a street gang. "My dad was one of the original boulee boys members back in the day when boulee was hardcore," Shipley wrote on Facebook in 2007, referring to the Boullee St. neighbourhood near Cheapside St., east of Adelaide St.

Shipway lists her hometown on Facebook as "$$$E.O.A.$$$ London, ON"

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/08/13/pf-15011991.html

But this is a girl she met in detention. We haven't heard or seen any evidence that they've ever been together outside of a detention centre. That's probably why they write this carp to each other. This girl was nowhere near Woodstock at the time of Victoria's abduction so I can't see how this ties in anywhere? :waitasec:

MOO

 

[JayFriend]

https://researchspace.auckland.ac.nz/handle/2292/2914

The effect of decomposition on body fluid detection and DNA profiling
BBM
Abstract:

Biological fluids such as semen, blood and saliva are found associated with large volumes of crime [47]. Therefore how these fluids behave in different environments is important to the field of forensic science. Upon discovery of human remains, the amounts of information concerning the events prior to death are often limited due to the process of decomposition. Body fluids that did not originate from the deceased can often be hidden, therefore investigators are limited in their ability to piece together a chain of events and identify possible suspects. Limited research has been conducted on decomposition in New Zealand, with most of the research in this area being focused on entomology. This research investigates the effect that decomposition has on the presumptive detection of body fluids, specifically human blood, semen and saliva. It also seeks to determine if subsequent DNA profiling can be obtained from these fluids.

So we're not at the stage in our investigative technology to be able to find and identify foreign DNA in decomposed remains. Too bad.

However, someone did ask if any pubic hair had been found in the garbage bags. That wouldn't take rocket science, just a lot of tedious, hard work. Maybe less work than a bunch of cops walking around the moon.

 

[dilbert]

Yes I believe it does refer to that gang...

Several years ago, Shipway boasted online that her father belonged to a street gang. "My dad was one of the original boulee boys members back in the day when boulee was hardcore," Shipley wrote on Facebook in 2007, referring to the Boullee St. neighbourhood near Cheapside St., east of Adelaide St.

Shipway lists her hometown on Facebook as "$$$E.O.A.$$$ London, ON"

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/08/13/pf-15011991.html

But this is a girl she met in detention. We haven't heard or seen any evidence that they've ever been together outside of a detention centre. That's probably why they write this carp to each other. This girl was nowhere near Woodstock at the time of Victoria's abduction so I can't see how this ties in anywhere? :waitasec:

MOO

So her buddy from juvie is in a gang that was later arrested for fatally stabbing a guy and people question whether MR would have been afraid of TLM and her associates? :waitasec:

Nicholas was stabbed in the chest and back seven times. He had wounds to his eyebrows and blunt force trauma to his head and face.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/06/04/anger-booze-trigger-tragic-life-for-woman

MOO

 

[Jezbel]

NT, are you still planning to attend tomorrow? Just curious as would like to hear another persons take on it all, it gets boring talking about it with myself lol

 

[JayFriend]

The Quality Inn motel is right near the exit to the 401 in Woodstock. I wonder if MR was trying to make a run for it when he was moving stuff from his car to the other car? JMO

It's where Good Life Fitness is, his health club. The GL in town is for women only (or was).

 

[matou]

It's where Good Life Fitness is, his health club. The GL in town is for women only (or was).

Yes, I know. I won't be surprised if the Quality Inn factors in to him meeting his friend and making a getaway. JMO

 

[ChaChaCha]

"EOA" Wonder if that refers to the "East of Adelaide" gang from London that TK (wife of Bandido) associates with?

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/04/19594746.html

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2012/01/12/19237571.html

Q: How many street gangs are there in London?

Hey Dilbert .... did you see the reference to "Brandon" in this letter? Like what what scratched out on the cig pack piece at TLM's house .... hmmm... I recalll the EOA connection being discussed way back when .....interesting. Thanks!

 

[Paulette]

Judge bans press from publishing photos.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rific-photos-girl-abducted-raped-murdere.html

While we sat at our computers digging up info on Victoria, the monsters were killing her. What made them so brutal?

 

[~n/t~]

So her buddy from juvie is in a gang that was later arrested for fatally stabbing a guy and people question whether MR would have been afraid of TLM and her associates? :waitasec:



http://www.torontosun.com/2011/06/04/anger-booze-trigger-tragic-life-for-woman

MOO

Ummm.....he picked her and a stranger's child and drove them all the way to Mount Forest. 2 hour drive.

Doesn't sound like someone who is afraid. Sounds like someone who is very much into what the murderous ------- is into. Murdering innocent people. Sadly, this one was a defenseless child.

 

[JayFriend]

Yes I realize you have to buy the songs, but you need the iTunes software before you can buy the songs.

Is TLM's "iPod" among the exhibits? Could it just be a generic mp3 player for a fraction of the price? That's all I use and you don't need ant steenking iTunes software. You load it like a thumb drive. (Just saying. Maybe people now call them all iPods just like they call all tissues Kleenex.)

 

[snoofer]

wonders what they found on MTR's computer?

 

[dilbert]

Hey Dilbert .... did you see the reference to "Brandon" in this letter? Like what what scratched out on the cig pack piece at TLM's house .... hmmm... I recalll the EOA connection being discussed way back when .....interesting. Thanks!

It looked like "Brad" was the name scratched out on the cig. pack, but interesting none the less.

MOO