trial thread: 5/9/2012

[strawberry]

He implies that TS is a nurse. She has a "nursing backgrouind". What is she exactly (or was she) licensed as? Not a nurse.

 

[noor]

This is bad to me. I don't get why the prosecution is allowing this. Jack is good and this allows him to present the picture the defense wants to paint. The prosecution does not have to allow this.

Based on this alone, I think she'll walk.

I hope not.
Lets wait and see what the prosecution will do.......

 

[artsy1]

He may have let it expire in Az but is an active realtor in Tenn.

Then why would he care what the current real estate market in AZ is like.... :waitasec:

 

[Dave AHFB]

This is bad to me. I don't get why the prosecution is allowing this. Jack is good and this allows him to present the picture the defense wants to paint. The prosecution does not have to allow this.

Based on this alone, I think she'll walk.

You may as well base it on the sky being blue.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

He called EJ Rachel twice! He's having trouble keeping them straight.

 

[dizzychick]

They "were just blessed with a beautiful new home" and Jack said "the more the merrier" when asked if they wanted to still adopt baby Gabriel . . . . (wow . . . God really does give them money I guess!)

Colon cleansing must pay good LOl or where does he get his money? How old is he too, btw, he aint bad looking..if I werent married...well..maybe minus the baby magnet behavior

 

[leighmarker]

Jack sounds like he is reading from a script (good memory) lol

 

[leighmarker]

I don't think a sane person would of continued to deal w/EJ after the first night with the cops showing up.

 

[luckygirl]

Then why would he care what the current real estate market in AZ is like.... :waitasec:

I just looked up Jack's license info. He terminated his license on 4-30-2010.
Maybe that was around the same time they moved.

The only reason I can think why he still cares about the Phx r/e market is maybe they still own properties or he would like to be an active agent again once the market improves.

 

[seattlechiquita]

I can't listen to this guy anymore. Either he is beyond delusion, or he is as psychopathic as his wife is. Either option is svcky.

 

[Isabelle]

Here's az family, where I've been watching

http://www.azfamily.com/home/relate...Gabriels-would-be-adoptive-mom-148124505.html

Is there a live stream with good audio?

 

[Isabelle]

When asked if the adoption was finalized for Hannah, in a roundabout way he said it was not and later when answering another question he said the adoption was finalized? Which is it??

 

[luckygirl]

He called EJ Rachel twice! He's having trouble keeping them straight.

Makes you kinda wonder if Rachel was a code name for EJ. I wonder if there were any emails or texts from a Rachel........

 

[gitana1]

Jack testified that Tammi told him that Rachel had "seizureque" behavior. I guess that was the excuse for Tammi talking to Rachel.

Right, he's trying to make it seem that Tammi was so nice and concerned and approached this gal for that reason alone.

You may as well base it on the sky being blue.

As an attorney, I disagree. I find this guy to be sleazy, but in my experience, many would not. Juries are gonna' love him. He can control his emotions much better than Tammi and he is doing a great job (or rather, the defense is doing a great job, through him) of normalizing what is actually bizarre behavior on the part of Tammi and what appears to me to be nefarious and desperate motivations to get a baby and keep Gabriel from his father.

He's painting a rosy, normal, loving picture and a lot of this could be avoided via hearsay objections, calls for speculation objections, etc.

 

[gitana1]

When asked if the adoption was finalized for Hannah, in a roundabout way he said it was not and later when answering another question he said the adoption was finalized? Which is it??

I think he was talking about two different kids/adoptions. One being H and the other, S. Probably the dad of S is refusing to sign away his rights.

 

[seattlechiquita]

Right, he's trying to make it seem that Tammi was so nice and concerned and approached this gal for that reason alone.



As an attorney, I disagree. I find this guy to be sleazy, but in my experience, many would not. Juries are gonna' love him. He can control his emotions much better than Tammi and he is doing a great job (or rather, the defense is doing a great job, through him) of normalizing what is actually bizarre behavior on the part of Tammi and what appears to me to be nefarious and desperate motivations to get a baby and keep Gabriel from his father.

He's painting a rosy, normal, loving picture and a lot of this could be avoided via hearsay objections, calls for speculation objections, etc.

[bbm] Which is why I am putting on some $$$ on the prosecutors being ready with an AK-47 of questions that will bring his entire testimony down in flames.

Why would they let it go through otherwise? What's your take on this, as a lawyer?

 

[artsy1]

Right, he's trying to make it seem that Tammi was so nice and concerned and approached this gal for that reason alone.



As an attorney, I disagree. I find this guy to be sleazy, but in my experience, many would not. Juries are gonna' love him. He can control his emotions much better than Tammi and he is doing a great job (or rather, the defense is doing a great job, through him) of normalizing what is actually bizarre behavior on the part of Tammi and what appears to me to be nefarious and desperate motivations to get a baby and keep Gabriel from his father.

He's painting a rosy, normal, loving picture and a lot of this could be avoided via hearsay objections, calls for speculation objections, etc.

Well, I suspect the defense was trying to "awe" the jury by having Jack say what big names he played with, like oh, they are important people, so they couldn't have done anything wrong.

 

[leighmarker]

He's painting a rosy, normal, loving picture and a lot of this could be avoided via hearsay objections, calls for speculation objections, etc.

do you have any idea why the pros isn't objecting?

 

[wenwe4]

They obtained a temporary guardianship for Rachel's baby and had not completed the foster/adoption classes . . . . the document was sent to them by Ken Schutt (Atty) for that baby . . . . they had that form with them @ EJ's as Tammi had conversation with EJ . . .there was a possiblity that EJ would say . . . here take my kid with you. (as an aside he keeps referring to Gabriel as "the child"). Temporary Guardianship/Power of Atty that EJ signed on 12/9/09. Purpose of the document "because we didn't know the mental state of the Mother and if child got hurt we wouldn't be able to obtain care for the child without the document. We strapped his little car seat in the car and went home. . . stopped on way home @ Walmart to get diapers/lotion and few things like that. Unusual happening the night he came home with Smiths phone rang approx 11pm it was Det. Agulara (sic) . . . @ Logan's employment there was a disturbance created by EJ and LE wanted to know where the child was . . . showed up @ our house @ 1:30 am need to verify child there . . . Det. Agulara and others with him - they were @ home due to fight between EJ and Logan . . . LE had to verify Gabe was in their home and safe. Gabe was in the bassinette next to their bed . . . Det. A said I have been with parents, both mother and father and baby is safer here . . . .objection - hearsay -

Where was Gabriel when LE left your home? In same bassinette asleep not knowing what happened. Gabriel lived with Smith approx. 9 days . . . one week from that following friday . . . 17th or 18th. Dec 9 - 18ish, 2009 . . . .Smiths did their own slight research pull up LE records (basically what we are all legally privy to) . . . those confirmed what Ej told us. Part of us wanted to get ahold of him, we were trying to determine EJ's mental state and determine Logan was what EJ said he was . . . Smiths understoon Logan had lot prob's as youngster - felony arrests . . . Gabriel life was a joy during the 9 days . . . JS tried to love on him a lot and speculated there was a lack of bonding . . .took him to see Santa - monumental thing in year one . . . took Gabriel to see EJ several times . . "everytime we were together except for one time" when TS took Gabe alone. Everytime we went we would load up everything EJ gave us for Gabriel . . .felt at some point EJ would come to her senses and ask for child back. . . . one time she called and said "I just need to see if he is ok now goback to your home".

EJ spoke of Logan durin the visits w/Gabriel . . . EJ was trying to Logan on board and allow them to adopt Logan . . . they were not a couple and he was not the Father according to EJ one time . . . he wasn't part of the equation as far as we knew . . . EJ was frightened of Logan. EJ filed with court . . . they learned Tues following the 9th on 13 or 14 - EJ had to answer a complaint that Logan had filed with court - JS did not personally see the paperwork . . .EJ and Logan went to court about 15th on Thurs. . . .Dec. 2009. Gabriel still living with Smiths on that day. Smiths didn't go to court with EJ that day but met her outside of court . . . Smith's had Gabriel and Hana with them. Did not meet w/EJ before the hearing. Plan to meet after court with Logan and Frank to discuss adoption with EJ and TS present. Outside courthouse . . . out front after the hearing. Smiths were excited to meet Logan for the first time . . . let Logan see they are good people - that never happened. TS jumped out . . . JS let TS out of the car - he went to park car - got kids out . . .. EJ very excited - she won he didn't get anything . . . JS concerned about when going to meet the Dad. . . EJ said Logan and Frank stormed out and passed them that day.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I think I heard that the father of S did sign the papers, but the adoption isn't finalized yet.

He's sounding more and more sleazy.