Trial Thread 8 May 2012 Wrapping up Closing Arguments

[Sailor Bug]

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey turns to discarded passenger seat Testimony from neighbors saw it discarded with a tear,.Rear seat there before Apr 8 not there after

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey said the rear seat may have been out on March 31 but it was put back in - otherwise where did Tori sit?

Derstine said yesterday the back seat was out before April 8th. He suggested McClintic lied about it, and cutting out chunks.

If there was no back seat on April 8th, and it was an innocent drive in the country, where was Tori sitting?

 

[Yody04]

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey said DNA from Rafferty and McClintic on the back seat indicates they had sex in the carDerstine and Gowdey both say Rafferty had sex in his car. At least once with McClintic.

If McClintic was bloodied after killing Tori, she "sure didn't transfer it into the car".

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey suggests that shampooing and cleaning removed most of the evidence from the car - one spot was cut out

What back seat?

 

[robynhood]

RaffertyLFP Gowdey turns to discarded passenger seat Testimony from neighbors saw it discarded with a tear,.Rear seat there before Apr 8 not there after

 

[KMouse]

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey said Rafferty used water bottles to clean himself after assault - matched caps found in garbage bag containing Tori's body

Tori was bleeding after the sex assault. The blood dripped down to the door frame, the crown suggests.

Blood from Tori was found on the car door frame. Rafferty had blood on his penis. Rafferty used water bottles to clean up, McClintic said.

This visual will be forever etched into my mind and my own heart breaks for Tori and any other child that has gone through such horror. I am distanced and I cannot imagine how the family manages.

 

[CarrieBean]

TLM isn't in Cecil Facer any more. I doubt she'll be doing much beating anybody.

 

[robynhood]

LindaNguyenPN #Rafferty is slightly shaking his head, muttering to himself as #ToriStafford's alleged rape is described by Gowdey

 

[captaincanada]

TLM did commit those crimes. She is hardly a scapegoat, regardless of how Blatchford tries to spin it.

And what crimes did MR commit?

 

[Sailor Bug]

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey asks if there was no sexual assault in car why clean up the car?

If there was no sex assault and Tori killed outside the car, he wouldn't have evidence to get rid of, Gowdey suggests to jury.

How could there be no back seat and this be an "innocent road trip?"

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey asks why Rafferty would have got rid of back seat if there was no sexual assault?

 

[robynhood]

AM980_Court If there was no sex assault and Tori killed outside the car, he wouldn't have evidence to get rid of, Gowdey suggests to jury.

 

[snoofer]

TLM did commit those crimes. She is hardly a scapegoat, regardless of how Blatchford tries to spin it.

yes, but for the trial defense is trying to say she did it alone; crown is saying no they are equally guilty. Scapegoating in that defense is saying SHE did it all alone and MTR was not guilty of rape, kidnap or murder. THAT would be scapegoating during the defense. Nobody believes TLM is not also guilty of all charges. MOO

Sorry this seems upsetting for you. It seems his innocense is important to you or at least the defense stance. Again, Ardy you seem very, very smart and articulate, and you have stated the choices MTR made are not ones you would ever make...but some people their heads are "not right" and they do some stupid and really awful things. It is looking very clear MTR is one of those ppl. MOO

 

[robynhood]

AM980_Court How could there be no back seat and this be an "innocent road trip?"

 

[CarrieBean]

Sorry all I am hearing now is another version of the tale...the part where there is no video's etc. of the deed... JMO...a lot of imagination to bring a tale together...JMO.....

What did you expect? A video posted on youtube?

 

[robynhood]

AveryFreeFMNews #Rafferty seems to mouth "oh my god" when Gowdey asks where Tori Stafford would have been sitting in his car if it was an innocent drive.

 

[Sailor Bug]

There would be "no reason" for there to be blood in the car, if the killing was outside.

The blood fits McClintic's evidence, Gowdey says again.

"There is no way Ms McClintic would ever know what the scientists would find in the car" months later, after tests were done.

 

[Jezbel]

Sorry all I am hearing now is another version of the tale...the part where there is no video's etc. of the deed... JMO...a lot of imagination to bring a tale together...JMO.....

Aah but this version of the tale does have evidence to back it up, unlike Derstine's spin on the events. Derstine had to use more imagination then the crown did, as they have nothing to back up anything they say, hence the repeated references to Necro

 

[captaincanada]

AM980_Court How could there be no back seat and this be an "innocent road trip?"

Innocent road trip down a dead end lane in Rafferty's old stomping grounds.

 

[Sailor Bug]

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey says McClintic made no effort to clean up car - that was directed by Rafferty

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey says there is no innocent reason for Tori to be in Rafferty's car or to have her blood turn up in the car

Gowdey says Derstine's efforts to tell jury Rafferty is an innocent dupe are undermined by the evidence.

RaffertyLFP: Court recesses for the day

Done for the day. Gowdey will continue tomorrow.

Back at 10 am.

 

[nursebeeme]

Sorry all I am hearing now is another version of the tale...the part where there is no video's etc. of the deed... JMO...a lot of imagination to bring a tale together...JMO.....

Macright, rarely is there a smoking gun in any case (such as a video of the deed)

 

[robynhood]

RaffertyLFP Gowdey asks why Rafferty would have got rid of back seat if there was no sexual assault?

 

[robynhood]

AM980_Court There would be "no reason" for there to be blood in the car, if the killing was outside the car