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You can post your condolences to the people of Tumbler Ridge on this British Columbia government site: Common Hosted Forms Service
Isn't the real issue here that the police seized the guns at the property, presumably the mother's, but then gave them back, even through somebody resident at the property had gone through the Canadian equivalent of being sectioned.![]()
Trans shooter who went on rampage in school seen for first time
Jesse Van Rootselaar, 18, opened fire in the library at Tumbler Ridge Secondary School in British Columbia on Tuesday afternoon.www.dailymail.co.uk
The transgender gunman who murdered his mother and brother before killing six people in the second-deadliest school shooting in Canadian history is seen happily gripping a rifle in a disturbing photo.
Jesse Van Rootselaar, 18, opened fire in the library at Tumbler Ridge Secondary School in British Columbia on Tuesday afternoon.
A female teacher was killed, alongside three girls and two boys aged between 13 and 17.
Isn't the real issue here that the police seized the guns at the property, presumably the mother's, but then gave them back, even through somebody resident at the property had gone through the Canadian equivalent of being sectioned.
And of note, Polytechnique is a University, not to detract from that tragedy, but it is not categorically the same as a school shooting since the targets and victims there were adults.There were more fatalities in 1989, but yesterday's shooting did have more victims.
The thing that's always gotten me about the 1989 shooting was that one of the police officers called to the scene showed up knowing that he might find his own daughter dead, and he did.
In 2015, the shooter's father filed court documents to obtain access to his children. The mother had lived a "nomadic" lifestyle resulting the father having no knowledge of where the children were living. The mother was not allowed to remove the children (including the oldest child - the shooter) from BC, but did so anyway.
The court order required that the shooter be returned to BC, that the father is informed of his location, and that weekly phone calls be enforced to allow the father to have contact with his children - including the shooter.
In 2015, the shooter would have been 7 years old.
Per the court order, the father had no contact with his children, including the shooter, because he did not know where they were. The shooter's mother was constantly moving around the country, and was labelled as living a "nomadic" lifestyle. Because of the absence of contact, against the father's wishes, it was decided that there would be a gradual introduction to a permanent, healthy relationship between the shooter and his father. The start of the process was three months of weekly phone calls.This court filing is rather surreal IMO. Instead of allowing a seven year to be surrounded by family members such as grandparents, aunts, uncles or cousins ‘back home’ in NL his mom is forced to raise him in B.C. so it’s convenient for his father to talk on the phone to him? I’d hope current family court judges apply better judgement!
As a grieving father has not been mentioned regarding this shocking tragedy, I would bet he was never a stable force in this youth’s young life.
JMO
Per the court order, the father had no contact with his children, including the shooter, because he did not know where they were. The shooter's mother was constantly moving around the country, and was labelled as living a "nomadic" lifestyle. Because of the absence of contact, against the father's wishes, it was decided that there would be a gradual introduction to a permanent, healthy relationship between the shooter and his father. The start of the process was three months of weekly phone calls.
True, we do not know whether there was cooperation, or continued efforts to prevent a relationship between the shooter and his father. I have not looked for additional court documents.What we don’t know is if a permanent, healthy relationship was ever established with the father?
I just feel this entire tragedy is so sad, hopefully positive things can be learned from it. I can truly understand why a small northern mining community is not an ideal place for a child with mental illness and personal identity issues to thrive, especially if it’s true she dropped out of school at age 14. Due to its limited population, it would naturally lack many of the social supports and resources that can otherwise assist teenagers onto becoming responsible adults. I wonder how long they had lived there?
Isolation can become extremely unhealthy, especially for teenagers.
JMO
True, we do not know whether there was cooperation, or continued efforts to prevent a relationship between the shooter and his father. I have not looked for additional court documents.
If there are 5 children (per links upthread), and the shooter is the oldest, then all five are close in age. The step-brother who was killed was born in 2015, at the same time that mother took the children to the Atlantic provinces (same time as father's affidavit for access to his children)
Based on RCMP statements, there were mental health problems, and there was no history of school-based bullying. Based on that, my impression was that small town and limited population was not a factor in the shooting.
"Police said there was a history of officers attending the shooter’s home for mental health-related call-outs, some of which concerned guns.
There was no evidence to suggest he was bullied at school for being transgender, police said."
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Revealed: 6ft trans school shooter wanted to be ‘petite’
Social media posts uncovered by The Telegraph reveal mental health issues of teenager who killed eightwww.telegraph.co.uk
Does anyone else wonder if the mother's "nomadic lifestyle" was being she was constantly moving to get away from him, for some very good reasons? Was he the father of all the kids, or just Jesse?Per the court order, the father had no contact with his children, including the shooter, because he did not know where they were. The shooter's mother was constantly moving around the country, and was labelled as living a "nomadic" lifestyle. Because of the absence of contact, against the father's wishes, it was decided that there would be a gradual introduction to a permanent, healthy relationship between the shooter and his father. The start of the process was three months of weekly phone calls.
Does anyone else wonder if the mother's "nomadic lifestyle" was being she was constantly moving to get away from him, for some very good reasons? Was he the father of all the kids, or just Jesse?
At age 18, he was an adult who should mapping out a future anywhere he wants. We know he has a father in BC, and extended family on the East Coast. He didn't have to stay in Tumbler Ridge.I also dont think the small mining town was a factor in the shooting. But what I meant to say is I think a small town can be a negative factor in the well being of a teenage who doesn’t fall within the mainstream of excelling in team sports and whatever else determines high school popularity.
What future opportunity would there be for a transgender person who dropped out of school at 14 to look optimistically toward a bright future in Tumbler Ridge or any small town for that matter? I’d bet not much of anything, It’s simply a matter of economy of scale. I bet no peer group, no gender-sexuality supportive alliances. It’s often that darkness in isolation which can turn dangerous.
I’m not condoning nor blaming anything for this tragedy, just trying to imagine what on earth went wrong. How can any person intently shoot to kill so many innocent children along with their mother and a stepbrother?
JMO
Equally it could just have been out of spite, to prevent a perfectly ordinary or decent father having access to his children. Women are just as capable of being controlling as men are.Does anyone else wonder if the mother's "nomadic lifestyle" was being she was constantly moving to get away from him, for some very good reasons? Was he the father of all the kids, or just Jesse?