TURKEY - George Smith, 26, missing from cruise ship, July 2005

[Amraann]

I am curious as to how sober the other women was??

Lets be honest.... they are on a cruise .. Party time!!
Couple that with the interest of being on TV or in the news?
People come out of the woodwork for a few dollars when a case makes headlines. (or even for free!)

 

[blonde1]

What happened here is obvious. When left alone is his room, George became very angry, suspecting his new wife was in another man's room. Remember, earlier she had kicked him in the groin. He pounded his fist on the walls and caused a minor injury, causing the small amount of blood in the room. Then sat on the railing to cool off and fell over backward in his intoxicated state. A trajedy to be sure. But, I wish the Smith family would stop calling it murder. It was the honeymooners own fault! Their behavior was outrageous. I do have some sympathy for Jennifer because she no doubt was angry with her husband for spending their honeymoon carousing with these young men.

I think you're right -- maybe it's time to close this one.

 

[Pinkhammer]

Yup....that theory works for me. A couple of drunken idiots behaving badly, one of them removed from the gene pool just in time.

 

[CrimeHater]

Yup....that theory works for me. A couple of drunken idiots behaving badly, one of them removed from the gene pool just in time.

that's a little harsh. No one deserves to die. Do we really know that they were alcoholics? It was their honeymoon after all. I drank more than I normally do on my honeymoon.
I still feel if Jennifer wasn't involved that she knows more than she is saying... but thats just my opinion.

 

[lilsister]

I'm with you Crimehater. There is definately more to this case. The blood found, the commotion in the cabinet prior to his dissapearance etc. Even if George was drunk (which he most probably was) he didn't deserve death. JMO

 

[Bobbisangel]

In the Oprah lnterview..
A woman passenger spoke up and said she was talking with Jennifer at 2:30 a.m. and she was fine..coherent..
Jennifer was out of her mind at 3 a.m...
I believe she was drugged..
How she ended up in a hall is another story..
The fact that Jennifer has no memory also shows the after effects of such a drug...

jmho

If Jennifer was given a drug then there had to be a reason for that. I think the staff...manager...whoever that guy was that had been following her around all night might have slipped something into her drink. I think that she ended up in that corner by the door marked "staff only" because in her drugged state of mind she probably went in there with him and then later he put her out of the door and she just layed down right there and went to sleep. She was probably still pretty much out of it.

I think something happened to George when someone was in the room with him. It's hard to tell though with all of the people who have "fallen overboard" on these cruise ships. Anything can happen when a person is blind drunk. If he somehow cut his head before he fell it could have bled that much on the canapy. Head wounds always scared me to death because they bleed so bad.
I don't know. It could probably go either way and I doubt that they will ever solve this mystery.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Yup....that theory works for me. A couple of drunken idiots behaving badly, one of them removed from the gene pool just in time.

I can't believe you said this. If this was one of your children, your mother, your father or your sister, you may feel differently. Most of us have done something stupid when we were young. Doesn't mean we deserved to DIE because of it. :slap:

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I think something happened to George when someone was in the room with him. It's hard to tell though with all of the people who have "fallen overboard" on these cruise ships. Anything can happen when a person is blind drunk. If he somehow cut his head before he fell it could have bled that much on the canapy. Head wounds always scared me to death because they bleed so bad.
I don't know. It could probably go either way and I doubt that they will ever solve this mystery.

I think the fact that they found blood in more than one place inside the cabin and the people on either side of their room heard arguing and loud noises, I tend to think that someone was in the room with him and eventually killed him. Just my opinion.

 

[lilsister]

Yeah, Pinkhammer was a little out of hand with that response. I thought to myself, if I had a son and he got drunk, I would surely hope that LE would not cease to find an answer to his suspicious death simply because he drank too much. Anyway, have you checked out the Cruise Bruise site on the internet? Way more happens on cruises then they would have you believe.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Yeah, Pinkhammer was a little out of hand with that response. I thought to myself, if I had a son and he got drunk, I would surely hope that LE would not cease to find an answer to his suspicious death simply because he drank too much. Anyway, have you checked out the Cruise Bruise site on the internet? Way more happens on cruises then they would have you believe.

No, I haven't checked out that site, but just from the 8 or so missing passengers over the last few years, I know that I'm not going to be taking one any time soon!!!! One of my main concerns is that they're not governed by our court system. Too hard to get any type of investigation and damages if something goes wrong.

 

[lilsister]

I don't mean to be an alarmist...there are tons of cruises every year that have no problems whatsoever. The one thing that shocked me was the high number of sexual assaults on passengers by crew members. I am sure that "party" atmosphere contributes but obviously this is totally unacceptable behaviour (& criminal as well...duh...sometimes I feel the need to state the totally obvious :doh: --it's a sickness I guess).

 

[lilsister]

Jeana you make a very good point re the legal situation! Also, the cruise lines are running a business and when someone goes missing or a crime is committed, the cruise line and its reps on board are probably very reluctant to communicate what is going on to the rest of the passengers, thus compromising an investigation. Here is a list of some of those who have gone missing from a cruise--the full details of their dissapearance can be found (most of the time) on the Doe Network or Charley Project:

Jill Begora
Amy Lynn Bradley

Annette Mizener
Christoper Paul Caldwell
http://cruisebruise.com/Christopher_Paul_Caldwell.html

Robert C. Nelson
Daniel Dipiero
http://cruisebruise.com/Daniel_Dipiero.html

David T Pincus

George Allen Smith IV

Glenn Sheridan

http://cruisebruise.com/Glenn_Sheridan.html

James Scavone
Manuelita Mandy Dejos Pierce


Merrian Lynn Carver

Mia Yokoyama McDonald



Ramesh Krishnamurthy

Randal Gary



Roberta Muzquiz Pagan

Vonnie Ales

 

[Tristan]

PinkHammer....that commment was downright mean.

Most people have gotten very drunk at some point in their lives....I certainly have, but I am far from an alcoholic.

No one deserves to die...drunk or not.

 

[eve]

I can't believe you said this. If this was one of your children, your mother, your father or your sister, you may feel differently. Most of us have done something stupid when we were young. Doesn't mean we deserved to DIE because of it. :slap:

Boy, you said it Jeana!

This holier than thou attitude about drinking is unreal. Many people have gotten drunk. Especially on a cruise, honeymoon or not. WhyTH would that mean they deserve to be assaulted or killed? Remove everyone from the "gene pool" who has ever gotten drunk and it may be a sorry world, imo. For that matter, I've heard there are some pretty cool AA members. They were drunk once or twice too. Getting drunk doesn't mean you're an alcoholic and being an alcoholic doesn't mean you're not part of the human race. Good grief.

Eve

 

[opme]

Boy, you said it Jeana!

This holier than thou attitude about drinking is unreal. Many people have gotten drunk. Especially on a cruise, honeymoon or not. WhyTH would that mean they deserve to be assaulted or killed? Remove everyone from the "gene pool" who has ever gotten drunk and it may be a sorry world, imo. For that matter, I've heard there are some pretty cool AA members. They were drunk once or twice too. Getting drunk doesn't mean you're an alcoholic and being an alcoholic doesn't mean you're not part of the human race. Good grief.

Eve

Bottom line is that unfortunately too many people assume that they are safe within the confines of the ship.. the possiblity of a criminal act happening on any of these ships is the same as in any city. Its sad but there are no safe places anymore.. or at least there are very few places that are truly safe. Granted too much alcohol simply means that lower defenses and poor judgement is more likely.. it does not however mean that you are deserving of assault, murder, or of an accident. Its sad to think there folks who still still think having a good time and whether by choice or accident and having too much to drink means you should pay dearly ... pinkhammer, I think you need to educate yourself on this subject before you start making such uneducated and nasty comments. Alcoholism is a disease not a choice. And as noted above one or more drinks or occassions where some partakes more than intended does not justify either your comments nor such a tragic event to befall them. It also fails to cover those assualts on children on these cruises...I guess they deserved it too beacuse they had too much coke or lemonade...?

 

[nanandjim]

...Alcoholism is a disease not a choice...

Hmmm....I believe that the tendency towards alcoholism is inherited. However, it is an individual's choice whether to drink or not. And, yes, there are alcoholics in my family.

That being said, I believe that George was murdered by one of the four. I personally think the one boy that they interviewed is suspicious.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Hmmm....I believe that the tendency towards alcoholism is inherited. However, it is an individual's choice whether to drink or not.

Initially. But some people end up getting hooked after making the initial choice to drink. At that point, it seems to be out of their control.

 

[Iwillgo]

I can see by the above posts that I will have to explain what happened here in more detail. Many people seem to find it necessary to have murder, sex and drugs involved in this case. Well, their certainly was no murder or drugs. Sex is unlikely, however I will admit that Jennifer's activities between the time she left the disco at 3:20 AM and when she was found slumped against a "crew only" door at 4:30 AM are not totally clear.

As far as George is concerned, when left alone in his room, he simply flew into a jealous rage, suspecting his new wife was having sex in another man"s room. Remember, earlier in the evening she was so angry with him that she kicked him in the genitals. Also, she was openly flirting with other men and they were unable to find her after a brief search. While returning George to his room after the search, the couple in the next room heard someone in a kind voice asking George to "settle down". You can bet that George was very concerned about his wife's where-abouts. He apparently was able to keep his anger in check while his friends were with him. However, when they left, his anger rose up and he began hitting his fist on the walls and furniture causing a minor injury and accounting for the small amount of blood found in the room. He probably looked in cabinets and drawers for a first aid kit or bandaids. The couples next door thought the room was being trashed and that furniture was being thrown against the wall, but later nothing was found amiss. Why? Because you don't move walls. Mr. Hyman, next door, heard nothing that sounded like a struggle. No shouting or cursing, only some loud voices and arguing, probably discussing what happened to Jennifer. These people were highly intoxicated. George finally went out on the balcony to cool off, placed a chair near the railing, sat on the railing and fell over backwards in his intoxicated state. Probably landing on his head, causing a scalp laceration, serious bleeding, and eventually falling into the sea.

What a tragic ending. Jennifer's anger probably stemmed from George not paying attention to her on their honeymoon. Instead, spending his time carousing with other people into the wee hours of the morning. On our own honeymoon, my wife would "call me out" if I even glanced at another women or was not always by her side.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Well, you are certainly entitled to that opinion. Thanks for it.

 

[lilsister]

IWillgo, that is a very interesting theory and quite plausible. However, I don't think it is that easy to fall overboard...you really need to put forth an effort to do so because the walls are so high. I saw the balcony on Greta and that was one of the points she made---I know this point has already been made. Again, interesting theory.