GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #2

[summerprincess]

It appears that many have chosen to romanticize Sarai Sierra in the extreme, and in doing so have lost all objectivity.

Suddenly the NY Post, which is #6 of the top 50 newspapers in the USA, is now the bad guy. Talk about kill the messenger! Whether the Post sensationalizes their headlines or not, is not the issue here -- and like it or not, the NY Post is one of the best newspapers in the country. It's best to stay focused on the facts and stop focusing anger at a newspaper.

There has always been something VERY off about Sarai Sierra's story. It never made sense -- and it's clear that she always had an agenda that had little to nothing to do with just her first trip traveling on her own abroad.

It's neon-glaringly obvious that this women had secrets -- and that the true intent of her trip was being camouflaged and cloaked in this silly story of picture-taking nonsense.

The different theories being postulated are all worthy of deep analysis by law enforcement. No one knows the truth at this point in time -- but it is obvious that this is NOT just some sweet mom on a photo-journey.

Moms of young children do not just take off for Turkey alone for 3 weeks. People who are financially modest at best, do not take 3 weeks trips to Turkey. Happily married women do not travel alone to Turkey for 3 weeks. This has been the red flag from day one.

And her side trips are interesting to say the least.

Her online "friendships" are interesting to say the least.

Her judgement in general is interesting to say the least.

Unlike those who've become remarkably infatuated with their self-created sainted Sarai Sierra fantasy figure ... it just does not ring true. Her choices, decisions, actions and ultimate tragic fate bespeak quite a different reality.

I sadly think that when the truth is discovered a much darker version of SS will be revealed.



http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/Top50/Top50-CurrentUS.htm

 

[belimom]

It's the same walls. It's a slightly different spot. But I think it points to a high likelyhood it means there a place he's familiar with....maybe even VERY familiar h.

I don't think they are the same walls/arches where she was found. But I do think they're not far - maybe Theodosian City Walls? You probably have a better idea how it all relates, but bottom line is that Taylan was familiar with the area and those walls and liked to photograph them. He had definitely been there before and probably knew which ones were more isolated than the others.

The area seems to be surrounded by those old city walls - and it's a popular thing for some tourists to check them out 'off the beaten path'. At least that's what I gather from the link above. I think that's how/why she was lured to that area:

http://www.virtualtourist.com/trave..._Path-Istanbul-theodosian_city_wall-BR-1.html

 

[KivaSupporter]

The craziest scenario that I heard was she was a German spy. And either CIA or Mossad took her out. And FBI is just in this thing to make sure LE don't find it out.

Anyway, is it possible that we can make an editable table on who is standing where? So that we can refresh our memories when they arrest the 14-year old druggie.

Sorry, friend, I just can't think of Sarai as a spy. Of course, I could be wrong.

 

[ThinkHard]

I don't think they are the same walls/arches where she was found. But I do think they're not far - maybe Theodosian City Walls? You probably have a better idea how it all relates, but bottom line is that Taylan was familiar with the area and those walls and liked to photograph them. He had definitely been there before and probably knew which ones were more isolated than the others.

The area seems to be surrounded by those old city walls - and it's a popular thing for some tourists to check them out 'off the beaten path'. At least that's what I gather from the link above. I think that's how/why she was lured to that area:

http://www.virtualtourist.com/trave..._Path-Istanbul-theodosian_city_wall-BR-1.html

Ya I think the specific spot she was lured to is telling. It makes me think someone knew those walls well. Perhaps well enough to know where the cameras are?

Like I said before tourists do venture to those walls as well, just not to the areas of them that are as removed as where sarai was found. If Taylan is familiar with them, to me that's telling.

 

[tardislass]

It appears that many have chosen to romanticize Sarai Sierra in the extreme, and in doing so have lost all objectivity.

Suddenly the NY Post, which is #6 of the top 50 newspapers in the USA, is now the bad guy. Talk about kill the messenger! Whether the Post sensationalizes their headlines or not, is not the issue here -- and like it or not, the NY Post is one of the best newspapers in the country. It's best to stay focused on the facts and stop focusing anger at a newspaper.

There has always been something VERY off about Sarai Sierra's story. It never made sense -- and it's clear that she always had an agenda that had little to nothing to do with just her first trip traveling on her own abroad.

It's neon-glaringly obvious that this women had secrets -- and that the true intent of her trip was being camouflaged and cloaked in this silly story of picture-taking nonsense.

The different theories being postulated are all worthy of deep analysis by law enforcement. No one knows the truth at this point in time -- but it is obvious that this is NOT just some sweet mom on a photo-journey.

Moms of young children do not just take off for Turkey alone for 3 weeks. People who are financially modest at best, do not take 3 weeks trips to Turkey. Happily married women do not travel alone to Turkey for 3 weeks. This has been the red flag from day one.

And her side trips are interesting to say the least.

Her online "friendships" are interesting to say the least.

Her judgement in general is interesting to say the least.

Unlike those who've become remarkably infatuated with their self-created sainted Sarai Sierra fantasy figure ... it just does not ring true. Her choices, decisions, actions and ultimate tragic fate bespeak quite a different reality.

I sadly think that when the truth is discovered a much darker version of SS will be revealed.



http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/Top50/Top50-CurrentUS.htm

I understand your point but your post seems a bit hostile. As does your assertion that the NY Post is one of the top 5 papers. NY Times perhaps... JMHO

 

[KivaSupporter]

Ya know what I just realized.

If we find out that this Taylan story is true, meaning not that it actually happened, but if he actually SAID it happened.....

Then we can conclude at least one of two things is true:

-either there was indeed some sort of mutual feelings between him and Sarai

Or

- he killed her.

If the story is true tha he said it. What good reason would he have to lie about having an affair with her? He's accounting for a reason his DNA is there ONLY because he knows that his DND could be found on her. DNA that could prove at least one of these two things is true. He'd have no reason to lie about about how it happened, and there is only two ways it could have gotten there.
Now he could be lying and he never did have a thing with sarai, but the only reason he would have to lie is to cover his tracks at the crime scene.

If they did have an affair that doesn't prove he killed her though.

A very interesting theory. Thank you for sharing it. Of course, I don't know the answer but you sure made me think. Thanks!

 

[necco]

Suddenly the NY Post, which is #6 of the top 50 newspapers in the USA, is now the bad guy. Talk about kill the messenger! Whether the Post sensationalizes their headlines or not, is not the issue here -- and like it or not, the NY Post is one of the best newspapers in the country. It's best to stay focused on the facts and stop focusing anger at a newspaper.


http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/Top50/Top50-CurrentUS.htm

Respectfully, that list shows the most accessed online papers in the last month. I suspect the New York Post's spot on that list is secured by the DOOMED headline and image of the man just before he was killed by a train. The Newtown Bee is 17th on this list and I can assure you, as charming as Newtown is, were it not for one jerk with a gun, they would not be on that list. Prior to Dec 14th, the last national story to come out of Newtown was in the 1980s, I think.

 

[belimom]

It appears that many have chosen to romanticize Sarai Sierra in the extreme, and in doing so have lost all objectivity.

Suddenly the NY Post, which is #6 of the top 50 newspapers in the USA, is now the bad guy. Talk about kill the messenger! Whether the Post sensationalizes their headlines or not, is not the issue here -- and like it or not, the NY Post is one of the best newspapers in the country. It's best to stay focused on the facts and stop focusing anger at a newspaper.

There has always been something VERY off about Sarai Sierra's story. It never made sense -- and it's clear that she always had an agenda that had little to nothing to do with just her first trip traveling on her own abroad.

It's neon-glaringly obvious that this women had secrets -- and that the true intent of her trip was being camouflaged and cloaked in this silly story of picture-taking nonsense.

The different theories being postulated are all worthy of deep analysis by law enforcement. No one knows the truth at this point in time -- but it is obvious that this is NOT just some sweet mom on a photo-journey.

Moms of young children do not just take off for Turkey alone for 3 weeks. People who are financially modest at best, do not take 3 weeks trips to Turkey. Happily married women do not travel alone to Turkey for 3 weeks. This has been the red flag from day one.

And her side trips are interesting to say the least.

Her online "friendships" are interesting to say the least.

Her judgement in general is interesting to say the least.

Unlike those who've become remarkably infatuated with their self-created sainted Sarai Sierra fantasy figure ... it just does not ring true. Her choices, decisions, actions and ultimate tragic fate bespeak quite a different reality.

I sadly think that when the truth is discovered a much darker version of SS will be revealed.



http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/Top50/Top50-CurrentUS.htm

Thank you. I almost posted something similar earlier. Someone posted earlier upthread that it's easy to lose objectivity in this case, where a young, sweet, beautiful mother two disappears and is found murdered when traveling alone overseas. The person who posted (sorry - I can't recall who) also said there is nothing wrong with her not being squeaky clean - that it doesn't mean she's evil. She can be in the middle.

Here are the facts:

1) she met up with men she met online
2) we haven't heard of any women she met with over there
3) she traveled over 1000 miles to stay on a man's couch in A'dam
4) she stopped briefly in Munich
5) she met up with Taylan a few times in Istanbul
6) she stayed in a basement apartment on a side street -- where there was sure not to be any video surveillance recording comings/goings as in most hotels
7) she cut her trip short suddenly

This last one: I don't believe she was being pulled back home as much as I think she was trying to flee Turkey. I think it was a bad situation she had gotten herself into. The only question is: what was the situation? A relationship one or a drug mule one?

 

[KuriousKev]

It appears that many have chosen to romanticize Sarai Sierra in the extreme, and in doing so have lost all objectivity.

Suddenly the NY Post, which is #6 of the top 50 newspapers in the USA, is now the bad guy. Talk about kill the messenger! Whether the Post sensationalizes their headlines or not, is not the issue here -- and like it or not, the NY Post is one of the best newspapers in the country. It's best to stay focused on the facts and stop focusing anger at a newspaper.

There has always been something VERY off about Sarai Sierra's story. It never made sense -- and it's clear that she always had an agenda that had little to nothing to do with just her first trip traveling on her own abroad.

It's neon-glaringly obvious that this women had secrets -- and that the true intent of her trip was being camouflaged and cloaked in this silly story of picture-taking nonsense.

The different theories being postulated are all worthy of deep analysis by law enforcement. No one knows the truth at this point in time -- but it is obvious that this is NOT just some sweet mom on a photo-journey.

Moms of young children do not just take off for Turkey alone for 3 weeks. People who are financially modest at best, do not take 3 weeks trips to Turkey. Happily married women do not travel alone to Turkey for 3 weeks. This has been the red flag from day one.

And her side trips are interesting to say the least.

Her online "friendships" are interesting to say the least.

Her judgement in general is interesting to say the least.

Unlike those who've become remarkably infatuated with their self-created sainted Sarai Sierra fantasy figure ... it just does not ring true. Her choices, decisions, actions and ultimate tragic fate bespeak quite a different reality.

I sadly think that when the truth is discovered a much darker version of SS will be revealed.
http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/Top50/Top50-CurrentUS.htm

Yet another VERY sensible post. This is a sad and tragic story but for the life of me I just cannot believe that a husband...again, let me be quite frank, a young NYC Puerto Rican husband would allow his wife and the mother of his children to travel alone while couch surfing and sleeping at total strangers apt that she met online. Latin men are extremely passionate and protective of their women, especially the mother of their children. I just cannot believe this and it makes absolutely no sense to me. Born and raised in the Bronx and now living in Queens, I know the (NYC) Latin culture very well and know how protective Latin men are. Sorry these are just my views. I just cannot shake the thought that there is something more to this.

 

[ThinkHard]

Let's all be more sensitive of other's feelings. I know we all mean well but let's be just a little kinder. OK?

I had no intention of insensitivity. But quite frankly if you reread the post I too could have taken necco's posts of jumping all over me for everything I said.

I understand it is not about what you say but about how the other person takes it. I am sorry that I hurt necco's feelings. But I can assure you it was not intentional.

I was only trying to analyze the answers she posed. Isn't that what this board is about? Analyzing potentials possibilities against other ones?

 

[lavy]

What exactly could fall into the category of "semen like material"...

Does that mean ejaculate that might not contain sperm for some reason? What else could they mean?

I don't know. I am pretty clueless. And that was before the autopsy. After 2 weeks she was murdered. Not sure if they can just look and say there used be a sperm like material here...

Unfortunately, I feel like the only thing that's been confirmed is that SS was murdered. Full stop. LOL.

LOL and that she didn't have a camera.

The craziest scenario that I heard was she was a German spy. And either CIA or Mossad took her out. And FBI is just in this thing to make sure LE don't find it out.

:what::what:

I've heard one that Michael Grimm is her uncle and thats why FBI is involved. I am trying to not to mention crazy scenarios here. Sometime it is simply too hard to do it because they are pure crazy.

 

[KivaSupporter]

You're posing questions, I'm offering innocuous answers. Obviously, I don't know what she did either. I kind of feel like you're jumping down my throat no matter what I say.

ThinksHard, I think i understand what you are saying and that you don't mean to insult anyone.

I also understand your words could be easily understand as offensive.

Surely, that is not what you meant?

Please, let's work together! OK?

 

[necco]

summerprincess,
I do agree with your point that she has been made into this angelic creature incapable of making a mistake. Look at the title of this thread even, "Mother of two." We tend to put mothers on pedestals.

She is a human being. She is a woman. She is fallible and capable of screwing up, just as we all are. She is at a transitional point in her life where people tend to question what they've become, what they've done, what they want. I know all too well that people are capable of things even THEY don't believe they can do, especially when it comes down to matters of the heart and wanting to feel young and free.

From the evidence I've seen, I do not think she went intending for a liaison. But that doesn't mean one didn't happen.

 

[belimom]

This. This is the post I read earlier today that I was talking about a few posts ago. Very well said.

I've been wanting to say something about this for days.

Why, unlike male victims, do we tend to submit women victims to a kind of all-or-nothing, black-or-white "/madonna" standard? The stories are almost all either "SS was a drug-running hard-partier who abandoned her family" OR "SS was a perfect mother and a saint who never drank, danced or had an untoward thought".

This is unrealistic. SS was a beautiful, complex, conflicted human being like any of us. I believe she should be remembered as such, regardless of the particulars of whatever happened to her.

We don't know what she was up to with the men she met on her travels, and we don't know what her primary relationship status was either. Maybe everything was great and they were deeply and exclusively committed to one another. Maybe they had an open relationship. Maybe her husband had cheated on her and she was dealing with that. None of us know.

We can't walk in her shoes because we don't know where she was in her emotional life. We may never know. We must, though, respect her journey, and whatever the truth was of her actions on her voyage through the world, accept her in all her complex contradictions as one of us.

That is my plea.

 

[KivaSupporter]

I had no intention of insensitivity. But quite frankly if you reread the post I too could have taken necco's posts of jumping all over me for everything I said.

I understand it is not about what you say but about how the other person takes it. I am sorry that I hurt necco's feelings. But I can assure you it was not intentional.

I was only trying to analyze the answers she posed. Isn't that what this board is about? Analyzing potentials possibilities against other ones?

Thank you so much for your response. It shows we all care. Let's be friends.

 

[lavy]

I think we really need a good piece of solid information now.
Maybe tomorrow we'll hear about the Gmail conversations.

Of course name of the peep would be better but think we'll have to wait the dna results for that.

 

[stmarysmead]

Since we know nothing about the real life, motives or intentions of this tragic woman, we are free to "choose" our view of her. But since we know nothing, it is foolish to ridicule anothers viewpoint.

 

[tardislass]

I think we really need a good piece of solid information now.
Maybe tomorrow we'll hear about the Gmail conversations.

Of course name of the peep would be better but think we'll have to wait the dna results for that.

Somewhere in these pages a mention was made of LE making a cell phone based search. Did they mean her other/local phone that she left at her hostel? Which begs the question would she have taken her local phone as well?

 

[CMac2]

summerprincess,
I do agree with your point that she has been made into this angelic creature incapable of making a mistake. Look at the title of this thread even, "Mother of two." We tend to put mothers on pedestals.

She is a human being. She is a woman. She is fallible and capable of screwing up, just as we all are. She is at a transitional point in her life where people tend to question what they've become, what they've done, what they want. I know all too well that people are capable of things even THEY don't believe they can do, especially when it comes down to matters of the heart and wanting to feel young and free.

From the evidence I've seen, I do not think she went intending for a liaison. But that doesn't mean one didn't happen.

And even if she didn't go intending for a liaison, it's quite possible that someone on the other end DID intend a liaison. And could have lost it when it didn't happen.

 

[ThinkHard]

ThinksHard, I think i understand what you are saying and that you don't mean to insult anyone.

I also understand your words could be easily understand as offensive.

Surely, that is not what you meant?

Please, let's work together! OK?

Of course I want to work together.

But how am I suppose to analyze potential aspects if I'm now afraid that someone is going to take it personally because it was their thought?